Pakistan-China Joint Exercise "Shaheen VII - 2018"

[Kompromat]

Kicking F-16s as s is easier said than done btw

 

[LKJ86]

we wont send.J10c to anyone except Pakistan. we trust no one except Pakistan.
even there is a excercise.between F16 and J10c, it will not be made public.

it will help us.know where J10c stands.

The excercise between J-10C and F-16 is meaningless to PLAAF nowaday.

 

[帅的一匹]

Kicking F-16s as s is easier said than done btw

but that is a.hurdle must be jumped over

The excercise between J-10C and F-16 is meaningless to PLAAF nowaday.

it means a lot.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

But the Russian perspective isn't entirely unknown. We have examples in India and China. And any ambiguity should be resolved through dialog so we act on concrete information rather than assumptions. If resources are finite then we can make a start with an initial purchase of 6 and keep increasing. In the process, acquire MRO which should lower operating costs over time.

The same argument of finite resources can be applied in reverse. Any new fighter will be here to stay at least 30 - 50 years. Lets be honest with ourselves: will we never require a twin engine aircraft ever? You cannot answer that with yes, and I say the answer is no. Which is why I oppose yet another single engine being inducted.

In parallel, I agree we need Russian help in improving our core scientific, engineering, and industrial base. This is a no brainier and should be pursued on priority basis.

The Chinese and Indian examples aren't analogous to Pakistan. We don't have their financial resources or geo-political influence. Yes, Pakistan can -- and has tried -- dialogue with Russia, but the end results were (1) a lite presence at IDEAS by Russia, clearly focusing on just COIN/CT (to Pakistan), not conventional arms and (2) the reality that our side probably won't do much itself due to CAATSA (the US still has a lot of leverage on us, such as being one of a few markets where we have a trade surplus).

If we want a near-term twin-engine fighter, then we should probably look at the Chinese FC-31.

 

[enroger]

Kicking F-16s as s is easier said than done btw

you know what would be fun? If J-10C gets to fight F-16 we can set up a betting pool, wanna put your money where your mouth is?

 

[CriticalThought]

The Chinese and Indian examples aren't analogous to Pakistan. We don't have their financial resources or geo-political influence. Yes, Pakistan can -- and has tried -- dialogue with Russia, but the end results were (1) a lite presence at IDEAS by Russia, clearly focusing on just COIN/CT (to Pakistan), not conventional arms and (2) the reality that our side probably won't do much itself due to CAATSA (the US still has a lot of leverage on us, such as being one of a few markets where we have a trade surplus).

If we want a near-term twin-engine fighter, then we should probably look at the Chinese FC-31.

The world is full of possibilities. Back channel dealings can see our Flankers reside in China where our Flanker pilots can also train. As a plus, we gain strategic depth and surety against a saturation first strike by India.

 

[Kompromat]

As long as my 25 year old friend is flying the F-16. His entire Squadron hates him because he doesn't lose

you know what would be fun? If J-10C gets to fight F-16 we can set up a betting pool, wanna put your money where your mouth is?

 

[帅的一匹]

The world is full of possibilities. Back channel dealings can see our Flankers reside in China where our Flanker pilots can also train. As a plus, we gain strategic depth and surety against a saturation first strike by India.

maybe we will deploy Su35 or J16 in the joint excercise next year. who knows?

The world is full of possibilities. Back channel dealings can see our Flankers reside in China where our Flanker pilots can also train. As a plus, we gain strategic depth and surety against a saturation first strike by India.

Russia wont sell Pakistan offensive weapons in the near future.

they have their own strategic consideration.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

maybe we will deploy Su35 or J16 in the joint excercise next year. who knows?


Russia wont sell Pakistan offensive weapons in the near future.

they have their own strategic consideration.

While Pakistan has Project Azm (which it might pursue with Chengdu), I think it should put some money into the FC-31 as well. Not a lot, but enough so that if the PLAN adopts the FC-31, that the PAF can access it sooner than having to wait (as it had with the PLAAF and J-10B/C). Plus, a maritime angle would see the FC-31 gain features, such as salt-corrosion resistance, which would make it a good maritime solution.

 

[enroger]

As long as my 25 year old friend is flying the F-16. His entire Squadron hates him because he doesn't lose

What if that friend of yours get to be the one driving J-10C

 

[Maxpane]

As long as my 25 year old friend is flying the F-16. His entire Squadron hates him because he doesn't lose

God bless him . Young blood of paf .

 

[CriticalThought]

While Pakistan has Project Azm (which it might pursue with Chengdu), I think it should put some money into the FC-31 as well. Not a lot, but enough so that if the PLAN adopts the FC-31, that the PAF can access it sooner than having to wait (as it had with the PLAAF and J-10B/C). Plus, a maritime angle would see the FC-31 gain features, such as salt-corrosion resistance, which would make it a good maritime solution.

In terms of capability, Su-35 is challenging F-22 today. There is a philosophy of high performance and super maneuverability. It is this philosophy that I want ALONG with Su-35.

Let's recall: PAF needs an interim fighter while it works on Azm. That interim fighter should be Su-35 for more reasons than one. Su-35 is a paradigm shift in philosophy of aerial warfare which PAF needs.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Su-35 is a 4th gen aircraft that will have its work cutout for itself against even the latest versions of F-15s and F-16s, much less the F-22 or JSF.

 

[CriticalThought]

Su-35 is a 4th gen aircraft that will have its work cutout for itself against even the latest versions of F-15s and F-16s, much less the F-22 or JSF.

https://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-Su-35S-Flanker-March-2010.pdf

By carefully balancing advanced technology and a mature basic design, the Russians have produced a fighter that will decisively defeat all US teen series fighters, and the F-35 family of fighters. Independent air combat simulations and parametric analysis indicate that this design will achieve around a 10:1 exchange rate against the F-35, and even higher against the F/A-18 family of fighters.

 

[LKJ86]

https://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-Su-35S-Flanker-March-2010.pdf

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-all-su-35-news.30865/page-162#post-11003842