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Pakistan CANNOT influence Russia’s strategic partnership with INDIA - expert

Chinese factor they forget China will push Russia away from India is old friend of India Nepal already have created anti india sentiment

In future. russia will be making distance from India

They said Russia never sell any weapons to Pakistan it's changed

In world there are.no permanent friends or foez
 
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Chacha G old alliances or power equations are not some "pathaar per kheenchi gayee lakeer" they keep changing with changing circumstances and mutually beneficial terms :tup:


Thanks you sir Ghulaam ko huzoor ki faraaq dilli se yahee umeed thee ... shukria karam meherbaani

Guru G , does that also apply on Russia ??? If yes then what if Russia decide a new strategic partnership just say with Pakistan , what will be India's reaction ??? and also some threads on this forum about Pakistani buying or will buy(future) some stuff form Russia and lots of Indian posters are criticizing that and reoffering towards India - Russia strategic partnership. Y they do that ???/ do they just cant understand simple rule that you said ?? and y they just cant read new geopolitical environment of our region ??? or that simple fact is just to hard for them to under stand ???
Thank you
 
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Guru G , does that also apply on Russia ??? If yes then what if Russia decide a new strategic partnership just say with Pakistan , what will be India's reaction ??? and also some threads on this forum about Pakistani buying or will buy(future) some stuff form Russia and lots of Indian posters are criticizing that and reoffering towards India - Russia strategic partnership. Y they do that ???/ do they just cant understand simple rule that you said ?? and y they just cant read new geopolitical environment of our region ??? or that simple fact is just to hard for them to under stand ???
Thank you
Chachha G India knows it way too well and so does russia that sooner than later pakistan would and will try building relations with Russia and we dont have any reservations for it till it harms owr objectives in some way

we cannot and will not stop either pakistan or russia in building relations its not owr "janam sidhh adhikaar" to have relations with russia or USA or for that matter any other nation and that owr so called friends should be enemy of owr enemy sorry it dosent works like that every nation and its policies and circumstances and relations with other nations keep on chnging with times .... change is contant you see ;)

PS in shah times Pakistan and Iran were one of the closest of allyies ..... salaam
 
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Chachha G India knows it way too well and so does russia that sooner than later pakistan would and will try building relations with Russia and we dont have any reservations for it till it harms owr objectives in some way

we cannot and will not stop either pakistan or russia in building relations its not owr "janam sidhh adhikaar" to have relations with russia or USA or for that matter any other nation and that owr so called friends should be enemy of owr enemy sorry it dosent works like that every nation and its policies and circumstances and relations with other nations keep on chnging with times .... change is contant you see ;)

PS in shah times Pakistan and Iran were one of the closest of allyies ..... salaam[/QUOTE]


GURU G , wise reply with backing of facts , I hope all other Indian and Pakistani posters understand this and we safe our time from trolling .;);););)
And Trolling say yaad aya !
How come you use Afghanistan to reach Central Asia lol:p::p::p::p::p: don't forget Iran just sold Mr Mansor to USA so Talibans and Iran enemy again (its look like)
Thank you.
 
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chacha G look at the map we dont need to go into afghanistan to reach central asia

CHB-ASG.JPG


as for Iran selling Mullah Mansoor to USA well who told you that President Barak Obama or Preisdent of Iran or the head of CIA or the head of Iranian secret service :azn:
 
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World is changing ... india is acting like like teenager who get some attraction from west and now she is allover ... US is wants to sell its arm and he will be by making imbalance of power between 2 rival countries..
now US is making this region more complicated by adding ISIS killing taliban leader adding fuel to Syria and created huge mess in iraq. now india and iran getting involve in region for lill gain.. CEPEC doesnt suite US.. but all the other road networks helpful for region..
well good luck to india who trying to super duper power in seconds.. i suggest you to find Jinn rather than destablizing the region..
 
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Let CPEC start to kick in, everyone will fall in line.

Besides, Pakistan and Russian ties are not dependent on third party neither Pakistan is interested in using these ties against anyone. We just want mutually beneficial setup.

Let me remind one very important fact here. Military dealings, and the story about SU35 was leaked to media from Russian side, its doesn't require a genius to understand who is sending who the message. It is definitely not Pakistan.
 
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I would put it in a different way. The underdeveloped relations with Pakistan, as I see it, are a legacy of the Cold War, when Pakistan was an ally of the U.S. In the 1970s and 80s, it supported the military opposition in Afghanistan, which was fighting against Soviet troops who were legally in the country.

I thought it was illegal...
 
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Every country has it's interest at heart, same applies to Russia. Why would Pakistan want to influence Russia in the first place, we have enough confidence in our abilities. India and Russia may have a strategic partnership but at the same time Russia has been supplying Pakistan with some of it's requirements likes of the Helicopters and engines for JF-17.
In the past, Russia in the past had offered the likes of MiG-21 and SU-27, which were both declined by the PAF.
Even the news about the SU-35 first emerged from Russian MOD.
 
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Russians are selling weapons and engines etc to Pakistan which can/will be used against India. Whichever way you look at it, it's a win.
 
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Pakistan cannot influence Russia’s strategic partnership with India- expert

May 25, 2016 GLEB FEDOROV, RBTH

In an exclusive interview with RBTH, leading South Asia expert Petr Topychkanov tries to dispel the myths surrounding Moscow’s recent outreach to Islamabad.

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After decades of frosty ties, Russia has finally begun to reach out to Pakistan. Economic, political and even defense ties are growing between the two countries that were on opposing camps during the Cold War.

The international media has been rife with speculation that Moscow is using its ties with Islamabad as a bargaining tool with its long-standing ally New Delhi.

In this interview with RBTH, Petr Topychankov, South Asia expert and Associate in the Carnegie Moscow Center’s Nonproliferation Program, tries to dispel the myths surrounding Moscow’s recent outreach to Islamabad.

RBTH: Articles published recently by international publications speculate that Russia-Pakistan relations are on the rise, because Moscow wants to use this as a tool in negotiations with New Delhi. Is there any truth in this?

Petr Topychkanov: Russia’s relations with Pakistan are rising, first of all, on the political level. It means that the number of contacts is rising and political relations are much more active than say 15 years ago. There are some significant events in this field. For example, Russia’s full support of Pakistan's membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

As for defense cooperation, there are some developments as well. The countries signed an agreement on military technical cooperation in 2014. There have not been any arms purchases yet, but talks on four transport helicopters are mostly finished. Then, there were small-scale drills, and this year there will be joint drills in the mountains.



The Russian-Pakistani Consultative Group on Strategic Stability is actively working. These meetings are attended by high-level officials from the foreign and defense ministries of both countries.

Other than that, there are also some developments in economic cooperation. A Rostech subsidiary has begun constructing a local gas pipeline. Despite the project not being that big, I can call it a big success when compared to the past.

Then, Pakistan helped Russia to ensure its food security, when after a self-imposed food embargo against Western countries, Russia needed to find to food suppliers. Pakistan started supplying Russia with agricultural products.

RBTH: You mentioned political, defense and economic ties. Why is there a shift in Russian policies in South Asia?

I totally disagree with the idea, highlighted in a recent article on The Diplomat. The article suggests that the rise of Russia-Pakistan relations is linked to some problems existing between Russia and India. This is a very simplistic logic. It suggests that India looks for partners in the West, and in response Russia switches to Pakistan. This is not true. If people in the Russian establishment shared this kind of logic, Russia's policies in the region would have been very dangerous and most certainly doomed to failure.

I would put it in a different way. The underdeveloped relations with Pakistan, as I see it, are a legacy of the Cold War, when Pakistan was an ally of the U.S. In the 1970s and 80s, it supported the military opposition in Afghanistan, which was fighting against Soviet troops who were legally in the country. This situation didn't lead to a conflict between Pakistan and the USSR, but caused a deep distrust between them. But the war is over and Pakistan is no longer an American ally, although there were statements from both sides that Pakistan is a major non-NATO ally in the War on Terror. Such statements are not accurate.



Americans did give some aid to Pakistan in recent years, but these amounts didn't make Pakistan dependent on Washington. Pakistan has other close friends, and China is one of them.

From this point of view, Russia's slight approach to Pakistan looks logical. Russia and Pakistan have common interests in economy and security. Russia also wants to work with different partners in the region and not be stuck with just one partner. Russia is finally getting a balanced approach towards the region and seems to be elaborating a strategic approach to South Asia. This is logical.

Doesn’t this in any way affect Russia’s ties with India?

Pakistan cannot replace or even influence Russia’s strategic partnership with India. This is just impossible. Russia's priorities are very clear. I think that no matter how long New Delhi will enjoy its ‘honeymoon’ in relations with Washington, both India and Russia understand that their ties cannot be influenced by any third parties.



India will always play a very special role in Russia's foreign policy and Russia is very much interested in keeping the strategic level of its ties with India

This first of all concerns military cooperation: building of India's aircraft carriers, submarines and aircraft, and developing its non-nuclear cruise missle BrahMos.


Then there is atomic energy. Despite all existing dialogues between India and the U.S. and France, the only successful foreign-built nuclear power project in India was constructed by Russia.

That said, India will always play a very special role in Russia's foreign policy and Russia is very much interested in keeping the strategic level of its ties with India.

But many Indian analysts say that growing ties between Moscow and Islamabad are caused by a decline in the former’s ties with New Delhi…

I see no evidence, that Moscow links growing Russia-Pakistan ties with any possible cloud over Russia-India relations. This is something some analysts may want to happen, but I see no evidence. I would say that Russian officials made some attempts to state that India and Pakistan are two independent entities in Russian foreign policy. This was explained, although not very clearly, by Sergei Narishkin in his interview to TASS.

RBTH: It is very easy to add fuel to the fire when it concerns India-Pakistan relations. Many in India will suspect the worst even if you say Russia's relations with Pakistan are now natural and not linked to any problems in Russia-India relations. How should Moscow behave to show both sides that there is nothing to be concerned about?

First of all, Russia should clearly voice its strategy in the region. This strategy should be crystal clear and officially announced. This has not been done. People responsible for Russia's policies towards India and Pakistan belong to different departments and it's clear that they do not always communicate with each other, or coordinate their actions.

Second, Russia's strategy in both countries should be clear not only to politicians and governments, but also to the media and public. It means, that when Russia is planning to sign a military cooperation agreement with Pakistan, it should announce and discuss it in India and explain the reasons behind the decision. And it needs to do the very same thing with Pakistan, when it plans to sell India the S-400 air defense complex, because this is a matter of concern for Pakistan.



From the point of view of regional security, all three sides want peace and stability in South Asia.

SCO will not try to help India and Pakistan find a solution to the Kashmir problem. SCO is not going to push India and Pakistan towards a solution of their nuclear disputes. This is not a matter of SCO

These are very basic, but effective recommendations. Even so, they were not followed by Moscow. In 2014, when Sergey Chemesov, head of Rostech, announced the end of an arms embargo on Pakistan, this was a big and unpleasant surprise for India. The information was not accurate, because there was no embargo in the first place. There were only internal recommendations within Russian authorities, concerning a list of countries where it might not be suitable to sell arms. More than that, the Indian public was not ready for such news.


I think the actions and words of all of Russia's decision-makers in the region should be coordinated and not be harmful.

RBTH: Will Pakistan and India join the SCO? And do you think it will be a positive step?

They will join the SCO, as the decision has already been taken and the finalization only needs time and readiness from India and Pakistan. Of course, India or Pakistan can decide to not join, but I hardly believe either of them would. All formal procedures have already begun.

SCO will not try to help India and Pakistan find a solution to the Kashmir problem. SCO is not going to push India and Pakistan towards a solution of their nuclear disputes. This is not a matter of SCO.

SCO gives them an international forum to express their positions on international issues and security issues in the region. SCO will also provide them a forum for bilateral discussions, without any interference from third parties. SCO will help build relations between their military forces and intelligence.

One of the most successful things that SCO has been doing is defense and anti-terrorism cooperation between members. SCO will also help them to start taking part in joint military drills. All this is very positive both for the region and for Russia's strategy in the region.

https://rbth.com/international/2016...strategic-partnership-with-india-exper_596865
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We know we can't. And we also don't care. Apart from China and Turkey, all other international relations and nations mean nothing to us.
 
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chacha G look at the map we dont need to go into afghanistan to reach central asia

CHB-ASG.JPG


as for Iran selling Mullah Mansoor to USA well who told you that President Barak Obama or Preisdent of Iran or the head of CIA or the head of Iranian secret service :azn:
I could be wrong but i think your proposed travel line is going through Pakistani EEZ.
 
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I could be wrong but i think your proposed travel line is going through Pakistani EEZ.
well are you saying that no maratime ship can pass thru a EEZ of another country my Friend in an EEZ you only have exclusive rights to explore oil and natural resources and fishersies but you cant stop maratime traffic cause if you do that you are in clear voilation of WTO and UNO and all financial treaties think what can happen if you stop indian maratime ships passing thru your EEZ and kindly read international law on maratime shipping
 
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Russia is a far better ally than the United States. It does not abandon its ancient friends during times of need. What we see is yes Pakistan and Russia coming closer but not to the extent that Pakistan replaces India as their ally. In short India will continue being an important ally for Russia.

The real problem is US snakes. They turned a blind eye during Indian invasion of Siachen and sanctioned us after the Afghan Soviet war. They are never true allies and will not and have not stood for us when the time has come unlike China. Pakistan realizes this which is why it is trying to get closer to Moscow. But as I said the Russia won't just abandon India even if ties with Pakistan improve.
 
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GURU G I hope you understand Urdu , and there is one article in some USA news paper , I guess you already know about that , lol its in Washington Post .:p:;)
 
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