Pakistan Builds New Missile Boat to Protect Key Trade Routes

[monitor]

Would be interesting to see the FL-3000N PDMS on board the Azmat FAC.

Unfortunately even the new missile boat still don't have any air defense now, only advancements is new longer range missile compare to azmat class.it should degine from begining with air defense system.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Yes, but if you have a gatling mounted CIWS in front and a missile based CIWS like FL-3000N in rear you have a better spectrum of self defense. It could fit an 8 cell or possibly 16 cell launcher in rear. With 9km against aerial targets (6km against supersonic targets) and the gatling style CIWS for last line of defense support, you would move it fully into the line of light corvette. It really doesnt have a need for a 25mm cannon other than attacking pirate vessels and small ships. An AK-603 (maybe even a twin mounted one) or a Type 730 CIWS would also shred the same type of vessel.

From what Usman Ansari is saying, it appears that MTC is gradually and incrementally tweaking and altering the Azmat-class FAC design in various ways. The fourth unit will apparently use different materials (e.g. composites?), besides switching out the 2x4 AShM for 2x3 AShM. Would be interesting to see if MTC uses the experience and input to develop (alone or in collaboration) a truly quick and lower-RCS design.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Thats a good thing.

 

[UkroTurk]

This little patrol ships are the best way to show who is the owner of water and sea.
Waving national flag on the seas more important than submarines.

 

[Basel]

nice idea.
i still believe that a fl 3000n is far better than CIWS in protecting ship from air borne targets though CIWS is more versatile

Why not quad pack 8 DK-10 SAMs with FL-3000N or upgraded version of Kashan CIWS.

 

[khanasifm]

I guess the idea is to these ships / fac to operate 100-150 nm radius from shore with 100nm plus range missiles with air cover provided by accompanied ships or through shore base air power, smaller ships can only be single mission in this case anti ship with some anti piracy role., nothing to do with anti sub or air, finally twin launcher sam like mistral with PN can still be carried

 

[Penguin]

Why not quad pack 8 DK-10 SAMs with FL-3000N or upgraded version of Kashan CIWS.

??

 

[Tank131]

The reasons that the proposed FAC-55 is superior to the Azmat is that in the same tonnage, it is stealthier, far faster, carries same amount of anti-surface weaponry and has a 24 cell missile based CIWS (be it RAM or FL-3000N). What would be nice is if they could extend the range of the FL-3000N to match RAM block 2. Again though, Azmat could be significantly improved by replacing the dual 25mm canon with a gun based CIWS (AK603 or Type 730) and replaced the rear AK603 with an 8 cell FL-3000N.

 

[Penguin]

The reasons that the proposed FAC-55 is superior to the Azmat is that in the same tonnage, it is stealthier, far faster, carries same amount of anti-surface weaponry and has a 24 cell missile based CIWS (be it RAM or FL-3000N). What would be nice is if they could extend the range of the FL-3000N to match RAM block 2. Again though, Azmat could be significantly improved by replacing the dual 25mm canon with a gun based CIWS (AK603 or Type 730) and replaced the rear AK603 with an 8 cell FL-3000N.

Image on page 1 shows Azmat class no.4 (says so on the poster), which means speed and RCS reduction are the same. As for AShM, 6 rather than 8, but possibly of a heavier and longer range type (i.e. trade-off for given available weight/volume). There is no SAM launcher shown.

The rear position CIWS gives the best all-round coverage. The front twin 25mm is mainly anti-surface (with dual role AAA function) and so best placed in the front position. Alternative for the twin 25mm would be a bigger gun e.g. 30mm, 35mm or possibly even 76mm single mounts. A relatively quick and easy self-defence AAW upgrade could be to mate 2 sets of 2 missiles to the CIWS (e.g. TY-90, or the missile FL-3000N), as the RUssians have trialled in the past on their AK630 (using 8-10km 9M311 / 57E6 missile from Kashtan gun/missile CIWS)

There are many modernization projects for AK-630, 630M and 306 systems pending, mostly by adding missiles to the sides of the systems. These are aimed for export sales.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_30mm-54_ak-630.php

Analogue this AK630 with ATGWs attached

Alternatively, slap on a pair of Turkish BORA Naval Pedestal Mounted Air Defense Systems just forward of the main mast.
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/cap...ora-naval-pedestal-mounted-air-defense-system

See also https://defence.pk/threads/bangladesh-begins-construction-of-two-large-warships.396290/page-5

 

[CriticalThought]

Interesting to note that Maritime Technology Complex, the entity responsible for designing this ship was also recently placed on the list of sanctioned organizations by the US for activities contrary to the interests of US or US partners.

I doubt merely designing an FAC would invite sanctions except if those larger tubes tubes are meant to carry nukes which is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.

Usually organizations come under scrutiny if they, or some party acting on their behalf, tries to acquire sensitive technologies.

One can only wonder what might be afoot in MTC but certainly we can rest assured that Alhamdulillah Pakistan is progressing towards indigenization in the naval front as well.

For me personally, the most refreshing change is Pakistan's foray into indigenous design of the hull. Moving forward, a very important area of research (IMHO) will be stealthy designs and reducing RCS. At least such research would rationalize the sanctions placed on MTC and give a powerful punch to Pakistan's smaller fleet.

 

[MystryMan]

I guess the idea is to these ships / fac to operate 100-150 nm radius from shore with 100nm plus range missiles with air cover provided by accompanied ships or through shore base air power, smaller ships can only be single mission in this case anti ship with some anti piracy role., nothing to do with anti sub or air, finally twin launcher sam like mistral with PN can still be carried

It would be nice to have maximum possible self-defense for FAC's to attain greater degree of operational flexibility.

 

[Basel]

??

can't understand meaning of your question marks, please clarify.

If possible Pakistan should try to get following Russian System with latest upgrade of sensors (AESA radar, IIR etc) and weapons (SAM), it will be very potent system.

following gun system looks good for PMSA, Coast Guard & even PN ships.

 

[Penguin]

can't understand meaning of your question marks, please clarify.

You said 'Why not quad pack 8 DK-10 SAMs with FL-3000N or upgraded version of Kashan CIWS."

FL3000N missile, like TY-90, is smaller than DK-9/PL-9, which in turn is smaller than DK-10. So, how can you quad pack 8 DK-10 with FL3000N? And are you not suggesting DK-10 mated to a Kashtan system version?

 

[Basel]

You said 'Why not quad pack 8 DK-10 SAMs with FL-3000N or upgraded version of Kashan CIWS."

FL3000N missile, like TY-90, is smaller than DK-9/PL-9, which in turn is smaller than DK-10. So, how can you quad pack 8 DK-10 with FL3000N? And are you not suggesting DK-10 mated to a Kashtan system version?

What I meant was that PN should deploy DK-10 quadpack alone with FL-3000N not in VLS but as supporting primary SAM. What specs of PL-9 are?

 

[Tank131]

What I meant was that PN should deploy DK-10 quadpack alone with FL-3000N not in VLS but as supporting primary SAM. What specs of PL-9 are?

You meam to say a 2x2 box of dk10 and 2x2 box for AshM? I think for a FAC sized ship, it is better served by gun and missile based ciws under the protection of land based fighters.