Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Zarvan]

I see, You spending your life on the computer has made you unfamiliar with the Human interaction and evasive techniques.

His response and the way he replied, He was letting the journalist believe whatever he wanted to believe, and quickly jumped up to another topic without even saying “T-129”

His answer was quite clear and not evasive at all.

 

[Ark_Angel]

It's based on info from a credible person (which I don't throw around lightly).

It could be a situation where we're just leasing a few Z-10Es to shore-up numbers and to hold as a stopgap until we induct the Z-10ME and/or ATAK (with TS1400).

No lease. Direct Acquisition.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And the alternative is?
Any other engine mean restarting of entire evaluation and testing process.
(French Turkish relations are tense)

Modified TS1400 which Turkish Aviation industry is currently working on.

you might want to check with Turkish members for the details on the timeline of its development and progress in its replacement for the CTS800 engines.

its an indigenous engine originally developed for the utility helicopter and with modification it will be adapted for T129 MK1s and is claimed to have the same features of compactness light weight, great power to weight and fuel efficiency

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Modified TS1400 which Turkish Aviation industry is currently working on.

you might want to check with Turkish members for the details on the timeline of its development and progress in its replacement for the CTS800 engines.

its an indigenous engine originally developed for the utility helicopter and with modification it will be adapted for T129 MK1s and is claimed to have the same features of compactness light weight, great power to weight and fuel efficiency

All we know is that it will be delivered to TAI by TEI to start testing with T625 Gokbey this year. Since Atak uses the same engine with the current prototypes of Gokbey, there will be no integration problem for the T129, but only Allah knows what performance the engine can give from the tests.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

All we know is that it will be delivered to TAI by TEI to start testing with T625 Gokbey this year. Since Atak uses the same engine with the current prototypes of Gokbey, there will be no integration problem for the T129, but only Allah knows what performance the engine can give from the tests.

the TEI is confident about the use on T129 and Turkey has our best wishes and prayers for the success of the turboshaft engine and its application on ATAK T129 its by far the best option among the alternatives.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

No lease. Direct Acquisition.

ME version ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan is in safe hands , while working / selecting Turkish Helicopter , it may get slightly delayed but the end of the process we will get a machine which will bear potential for substantial upgrades down the line

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Whether Turkish or Chinese, in the future, if Pakistan invests in serious ATGM development, the helicopters will not have an integration problem as they buy one or both of these 2 countries. It is a disgrace to necessarily be subject to the permission of the platform vendor next to the purchased platform.

 

[polanski]

S-400 Pain: Turkey hires U.S. lobbyists to get an export license of T800-4A engines for Pakistan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...port-license-of-t800-4a-engines-for-pakistan/

 

[mingle]

S-400 Pain: Turkey hires U.S. lobbyists to get an export license of T800-4A engines for Pakistan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...port-license-of-t800-4a-engines-for-pakistan/

Finely Turkey and Pak start learning something

 

[HAIDER]

S-400 Pain: Turkey hires U.S. lobbyists to get an export license of T800-4A engines for Pakistan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...port-license-of-t800-4a-engines-for-pakistan/

It means this engine is not sanction prove ....better wait for Turkey homemade engine ... Usually, in such type of circumstances, US give approval for a short period.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It means this engine is not sanction prove ....better wait for Turkey homemade engine ... Usually, in such type of circumstances, US give approval for a short period.

Modified TS1400 which Turkish Aviation industry is currently working on.

you might want to check with Turkish members for the details on the timeline of its development and progress in its replacement for the CTS800 engines.

its an indigenous engine originally developed for the utility helicopter and with modification it will be adapted for T129 MK1s and is claimed to have the same features of compactness light weight, great power to weight and fuel efficiency

approving the sale of American engine will help Turkey in competing with American companies and attracting future customers. So there will be no approval from US unless Americans really need Turkey for any future conflict or invasion.

Turkey is already testing the locally developed TS1400 engine for T129.
this engine is also selected for the Turkish T625 utility helicopter and is being tested by TEI at the moment,

 

[Yasser76]

approving the sale of American engine will help Turkey in competing with American companies and attracting future customers. So there will be no approval from US unless Americans really need Turkey for any future conflict or invasion.

Turkey is already testing the locally developed TS1400 engine for T129.
this engine is also selected for the Turkish T625 utility helicopter and is being tested by TEI at the moment,

You are forgetting Honeywell will do well out of any deal, so expect Lobbyists to push this.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You are forgetting Honeywell will do well out of any deal, so expect Lobbyists to push this.

I am not forgetting anything. Americans embargo entire products not just the components when it doesn't suit them. sometimes politics decides their actions
they havent ruled out selling Zulus to us for example but wont let Turkey sell us their copters since 2018 because it has American powerplant.

in this case for example they would rather sell the entire product in the shape of say cobras to the potential customers rather than let Turkey establish itself as an exporter by using their engine. there is a political dimension to that as well not just economical which is debatable.

 

[Zarvan]

I am not forgetting anything. Americans embargo entire products not just the components when it doesn't suit them. sometimes politics decides their actions
they havent ruled out selling Zulus to us for example but wont let Turkey sell us their copters since 2018 because it has American powerplant.

in this case for example they would rather sell the entire product in the shape of say cobras to the potential customers rather than let Turkey establish itself as an exporter by using their engine. there is a political dimension to that as well not just economical which is debatable.

Sir but right now they are stuck with Afghan Deal. They want us to deliver Afghan Deal so I think despite their issues with Turkey they would release the engines. Although I am expecting them offer Pakistan more zulu helicopters and zulus will be delivered soon followed by a bigger order.