Pakistan and China sign agreement to build Metro Train in Lahore

[Viper0011.]

Why does pakistan award the contract to chinese companies without competitive bidding..?
Is it because that the chinese companies will inves in the project also..? but what do they get in return...as investment profit? This profit can be very costly to public---without compitive bidding...

Read the bold above, these are investment based projects where the costs and profits are to be recovered b the investor like you said. The investors aren't stupid or born yesterday who'd just throw a few billions down the drain. There are significant feasibility studies which are conducted before hand.
No investor would spend a dollar without understand a minimal return he'll take for sure. Typically, Pakistani project's have been returning around 25-30% ROI. That's actually really good.
Also, the cost doesn't mean squeezing public's already small pocket. The cost is subsidized by the gov't, so there is guaranteed return for the investment. But the beauty is, everyone wins.

The gov't who doesn't have a lot of extra money, ends up generating a ton of new revenue, creates thousands of more jobs, which kick start the economy and taxation, and then pays partial project cost from its pocket, the rest is recovered from people who use this transportation and the investors make good profit. Can't beat this model !!

I read an audit report two years ago by the Transparency International about the Metro bus. It said (back then), that every day, they were counting 5000-10000 new customer taking the bus. I am sure that would've stopped and saturated at some point, but if 500,000 people take the buses every week, that's helping a HUGE population, and obviously generating revenue, taxes and stuff, which will result in more of such projects get done for people's welfare!

 

[Mutakalim]

Different purposes for a Bus vs. a Train metro system. In New York for example, you have an extensive underground Subway system, you can find a train from almost every corner / block. But yet, the MTA runs a huge network of buses.

There are places where the trains don't have stations and the ones existing, are too far out for people to walk to. That's where the bus routes will go. At the end, the goal is to provide public a better and safer travel arrangement, which is faster, more productive and convenient for common, average people (majority of which are poor). Those are the people who count the most!!

Also, each Metro train or Bus system, created thousands of permanent long term jobs to support these systems. So between a Metro and a Bus system, you'll have thousands of people trained and employed, resulting in more revenue, tax generations, providing better quality of life AND making travel safer, easier and much cheaper. What more do you want???? These are the projects which ignite a country dead economy and stand it up on its feet. Not sure why the criticism of everything the current government does for its citizens.

If you decide to write about any "conspiracy theories" or "ghost corruption", please do provide proofs, otherwise, allow the good work to continue to help poor, average Pakistanis!

We have no objections on development projects. Objection is with the priorities of Government. Priority will be given to health and education sector. Both these sectors are in worst condition. First priority will be given to these sectors. Believe me they are in ruins.

 

[Viper0011.]

We have no objections on development projects. Objection is with the priorities of Government. Priority will be given to health and education sector. Both these sectors are in worst condition. First priority will be given to these sectors. Believe me they are in ruins.

Failed argument, has no basis or even common sense behind it, just an effort to point SOME fault in the good work being done and bashing the government at every cost. Not ONE of you NS haters have every said, "good job man", this project X does help the people of my country!!! Its very SAD, when people, due to their political affiliation, ignore 200 million people's welfare and bit*ch about good work that helps so many.

BTW, if you don't have ROADS and proper TRANSPORT, how do you transport a huge poor population, majority of them living in villages or other hard to access areas, ON TIME to schools, universities, and hospitals????? A serious Cardiac patient has less than 5 minutes to get proper medication to avoid damage to the heart, including death !!! And the help goes through some means of transportation, whether an Ambulance to their house or someone takes the patient to the Hospital. If the means of transportation doesn't exist and proper roads aren't there, you are losing lives.......this is JUST one example!

And what education is being "ruined"? Have you seen Punjab's education system? I've personally seen about 5-6 engineering and medical colleges being built across Punjab with multiple campuses, international level or a little below that. Many technology focused colleges and universities, FREE schools for the poor. So if folks in Punjab can do it, why not the lazy and double-standard politicians in KPK and Sindh get on their lazy as*ses and do the same for their poor people? At the end of the day, it is the local state's responsibility to ensure state level projects for education. Why put the blame onto the Federal government when they don't have anything to do with it? Punjab is progressing, Baluchistan has started to make headway....why not Sindh and IK's own (love without care, getting stepchild treatment by IK's team), the KPK???

Quit making your country look like a fools paradise to readers because of your own personal bias towards NS. You'd never see an Indian do what you guys do, and that's the difference between you and India. They value their country and appreciate what it provides even when there was not much. You guys, will bash your own country ONLY to keep your silly patriotism towards the guy you like to see as a PM, 0% patriotism, 100% criticism and that's it!

 

[Mutakalim]

BTW, if you don't have ROADS and proper TRANSPORT, how do you transport a huge poor population, majority of them living in villages or other hard to access areas, ON TIME to schools, universities, and hospitals????? A serious Cardiac patient has less than 5 minutes to get proper medication to avoid damage to the heart, including death !!! And the help goes through some means of transportation, whether an Ambulance to their house or someone takes the patient to the Hospital. If the means of transportation doesn't exist and proper roads aren't there, you are losing lives as JUST one example!

Balance had to be maintained between expenditure. Roads and infrastructure is important but health and education is more important. If you have no proper health care facilities than where you transport patients by using excellent roads.

I have said that because i have seen the condition of health sector in Pakistan. Two three patients on one bed waiting for proper medical treatment. Attitude of nursing staff, as they are not humans. Unhygienic conditions etc etc. That is the picture of PIMS. Best public sector hospital in Islamabad.

In rural areas of Punjab there are health care units in almost every union council. But they served as Playing Ground. No Staff no medical equipment. 90% of population goes to Private Clinics which are even worst. Doctors are not qualified. For example. The Injection used for better yield of milk in cows and buffaloes is injected as anesthetic drug for tooth extraction.
I am not expert in this matter but i described it as i have seen.

And what education? Have you seen Punjab's education system? I've personally seen about 5-6 engineering and medical colleges being built across Punjab,many technology focused colleges and universities, FREE schools for the poor. So if the folks in Punjab can do it, why not the lazy and double-standard politicians in KPK and Sindh get on their lazy as*ses and do the same for poor people?

You have seen 5 6 universities and i have graduated from this system. I have no idea of medical universities but i have fair idea of engineering education in Pakistan. Apart from few universities, rest are not up to international standards. Focus of these institutions is to only churn out graduates holding engineering degree. There is no focus on quality of education. I would like to quote one example. What i have seen is 70 to 80 % final year projects of graduate students are designed and manufactured by people sitting in College Road Rawalpindi. Even Project titles are suggested by these people.

 

[waleed3601]

Karachi is abandoned as always in nawaz gov and then they say Karachians are against us etc bulls shit

dude....development of transport is responsibility of provincial govt not central.
actually in most developed countries its the responsibility of city govt....

 

[A1Kaid]

I agree with some members, the metro train really should be built in Karachi. Also Sindh government and Karachi city officials should also develop their own public mass transit systems as well, it is their obligation to collect tax revenue from their citizens and build these projects.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I would love to see Metro in Karachi mate. I hope Fed government will do something about it.

The MQM-ANP-JSQM gang war in Karachi precludes any Transport plan for Karachi.

 

[Hallian_Khan]

roads are responsibility of provincial gov y u people blaming fed gov for that... kis na kaha tha mqm ko vote do...
bt yes there are other cities too in punjab... y always lahore...

 

[Muhammad Omar]

roads are responsibility of provincial gov y u people blaming fed gov for that... kis na kaha tha mqm ko vote do...
bt yes there are other cities too in punjab... y always lahore...

Like i said before Lahore is the Capital of Punjab with more then 15 million people there... Lahore will be the top priority... They are Building Metro in Rawalpindi-Islamabad which is about to complete in a month or so next plan is to build Metro in Multan then Faisalabad... Go to Forum > Multimedia section > Infrastructure of Pakistan thread u can see the hospitals Colleges universities airports and many other under construction stuff.... Every city is getting it's share

 

[9%GDP_Growth]

Brother have you heard about BOT (build-Operate and Transfer)??? Chinese will build it Operate it and then after a period of time they will Transfer it to Punjab Gov... Obviously subsidy will be given to the passengers

..BOT, BOO, BOOT, BOLT, etc etc..but they are never without competitive bidding.... the one company that offers best proposal is awarded the project. Why there is no competition for these projects...??? why only chinese companies end as the sole bidder (if any) or they are awarded the project ad-hoc..??

 

[My-Analogous]

Don't vote for selfish assholes next time

We never vote *** holes its is democracy which ruin Karachi. PPP is eating all share of Sindh

i hate MQM but what they say is correct

You are over reacting. While sitting in Oman

Sitting in Oman change my identity?. Grown up. I am Pakistani

 

[SHAMK9]

We never vote *** holes its is democracy which ruin Karachi. PPP is eating all share of Sindh

Karachi will never progress under PPP,ANP jalayas.

 

[My-Analogous]

Dude...stop voting for MQM and maybe you'll see some development too. The federal gov. is not in charge of Karachi; they're not doing jack for Lahore either.

Vote !. I didn't vote for any one. When i see a true Pakistani party, who address to solve common people problem only then i will vote them

 

[Zibago]

roads are responsibility of provincial gov y u people blaming fed gov for that... kis na kaha tha mqm ko vote do...
bt yes there are other cities too in punjab... y always lahore...

Lahore is bara bhai other are chotay bhai

 

[Hallian_Khan]

Like i said before Lahore is the Capital of Punjab with more then 15 million people there... Lahore will be the top priority... They are Building Metro in Rawalpindi-Islamabad which is about to complete in a month or so next plan is to build Metro in Multan then Faisalabad... Go to Forum > Multimedia section > Infrastructure of Pakistan thread u can see the hospitals Colleges universities airports and many other under construction stuff.... Every city is getting it's share

bro leave metro n other stuff kindly ask ur gov to give them road at least first... n if possible hospital n gov schools too.. n i repeat schools not ghost schools...