Pakistan against any attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad (unexpected but right stand !

[forcetrip]

SO the so called islamic republic supports genocide of muslims in the hands of secular putin and rafidi iran and alawite pagans? Its a sad day for pakistani muslims whose political leaders failed them. Pak leaders proved themselves to be backstabbers. Hope KSA really take note of that & distance themselves from this backstabbing country. Also it would be hypocritical for PDFers to cry for kashmir muslims if they at the same time support alawite pagan assad.

Btw i am not stereotyping pakistani muslims here. As a muslims i understand very well that secular PAK state never represented the aspirations of its muslim populace.

Yes. Many of our governments have been crying for decades and seen what actual backstabbing feels like on the Kashmir issue. Multi million dollar charities opening up churning out taliban by the dozens is also the icing on the cake. Our land problems are not important to them unless they come here to hunt endangered birds. Even though this statement by the foreign office will be somehow be retracted or changed but it is how the majority of educated Pakistanis feel.

 

[Mrc]

For me issue is clear....
Issue is not of alliances or allegiances... not of rivalaries...
Not of finances....

Issues is of sanctity of human blood....and who ever un justily spills it needs to be punished....

I m surprised that its even an argument for some

 

[Xzok0]

For me issue is clear....
Issue is not of alliances or allegiances... not of rivalaries...
Not of finances....

Issues is of sanctity of human blood....and who ever un justily spills it needs to be punished....

I m surprised that its even an argument for some

Thats not how the world works and we are in no condition to change it,lets keep that for upcoming super power Pakistan

 

[Mrc]

Thats not how the world works and we are in no condition to change it,lets keep that for upcoming super power Pakistan

If you cannot stand for justice....
Dont bother standing than

 

[Luffy 500]

Islamic eschatology is based upon Quran and Sunnah.
Many Syrian Muslims would disagree with you. Many are happy with Assad. (I'm no supporter of Asad personally).
KSA boasts some of the most prestigious Islamic learning centres however very little reaches the government it seems. Betraying the Ummah during the fall of the Caliphate and acting as client state for the West and spreading fitnah in other Muslim nations.

From which part of the world did secularism emerge? If you studied eschatology you would realize that it is the Judeo-Christian world!

The interpretation of your eschatology is clearly flawed and as such NOT based on quran & sunnah. The fact that its flawed is proven by the fact that u support russian atrocities against syrian muslims just to fit your eschatological interpretation just like how ISIS does many unislamic acts to somehow fit their eschatological interpretation . Did u ever think abt that? People before u also had their flawed interpretations. U should read abt the siege of mecca in 1979.

The families of the 250+ dead syrian , victims of rape and chemical weapons would disagree with you. Why remain an ostrich when the truth is very clear to u ? Is it because it would go against your interpretation of eschatology?

If u didn't know the the chief conspirators with the british against ottoman was Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi , the sharif of mecca and NOT the ibn saud family. Though they took advantage of the political turmoil. Why r u only blaming the saudi regime. Btw won't u blame the bigot ataturk and the secular bureaucrats of the ottoman empire? The then ottoman caliph hardly had any control over the administration.

Yes secularism is a product of west and it resulted from their experience with a roman catholic Christianity and now they r highly irreligious and are on a crusade to spread their filth.

 

[forcetrip]

Most people wont support this statement....

And foreign office is probably looking hard on world map to locate syria as we speak....

Tgats how much thought has gone into this statement.m.
Expect a retraction within a day or so

All you have to do is read what people are saying. You can read through what the general position of the country is. Granted not all of them can be Indians and Iranians reading the newspaper.

Syrian crisis: Pakistan against any attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Its quite possible you are looking at this problem from some other countries perspective. Innocent blood has been spilled, and the world knows who has been throwing the fuel in the fire. Anyone or any country responsible for killing a single innocent person with intent should be punished to the full extent of the law. Their fate will be decided by the Syrian people. They should have the say in if they want to hang Assad or Erdogan or the Qatari Emirs. For now I salute the resolve of especially the Sunni warriors who have stood fast against the immense appeal of foreign passports and bag full of dollars to stay back and defend their minorities and their country. If it wasn't for them you would have seen what the massacre of innocents actually looks like.

 

[Mrc]

All you have to do is read what people are saying. You can read through what the general position of the country is. Granted not all of them can be Indians and Iranians reading the newspaper.

Syrian crisis: Pakistan against any attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Its quite possible you are looking at this problem from some other countries perspective. Innocent blood has been spilled, and the world knows who has been throwing the fuel in the fire. Anyone or any country responsible for killing a single innocent person with intent should be punished to the full extent of the law. Their fate will be decided by the Syrian people. They should have the say in if they want to hang Assad or Erdogan or the Qatari Emirs. For now I salute the resolve of especially the Sunni warriors who have stood fast against the immense appeal of foreign passports and bag full of dollars to stay back and defend their minorities and their country. If it wasn't for them you would have seen what the massacre of innocents actually looks like.

What perspective????

There is daily telecast of asad regimes rolling t 72 s bombarding indiscriminate fire while perched on middle of town squares.....

Those mi 24 dropping barrels full of explosives into city size targets....

Dont use daesh or saudi or iranian agendas and brutality to justify asad' s massacres against own people....

What do u want to seenl...syrian military doing torture? Rape? Genocide?? Videos are freely available on net....

Two wrongs dont make one right...

Sory asad will have to go....to hell actually

 

[Irfan Baloch]

well if its true then Pakistan has offcially ditched middles east and USA and joined Russia/china club

One. Can only wish

 

[Xzok0]

If you cannot stand for justice....
Dont bother standing than

fine than lets send our 100 f 35s and our trillion dollar backed army to fight both saudis and iran but wait who is gonna fight for kashmir and palestine i forgot we have a hundred j31 and our infinite rangers with phenomenal industrial export based economy

 

[American Pakistani]

So Pakistan will support Assad genocide of syrian people along with iran and russia

but as expected from this govt

I think Pakistan should push Syrian govt and opposition for negotiation and the right of self determination of people of Syria.

Toppling govt won't help and it will destroy another historic muslim nation giving room to rogue elements who will then form groups branding themselves Islamic.

 

[forcetrip]

What perspective????

There is daily telecast of asad regimes rolling t 72 s bombarding indiscriminate fire while perched on middle of town squares.....

Those mi 24 dropping barrels full of explosives into city size targets....

Dont use daesh or saudi or iranian agendas and brutality to justify asad' s massacres against own people....

What do u want to seenl...syrian military doing torture? Rape? Genocide?? Videos are freely available on net....

Two wrongs dont make one right...

Sory asad will have to go....to hell actually

What will you fire in tight streets with no population and heavy anti tank fire coming from them? Do you want to know what the Pakistan army does if it receives sniper fire in N or S Waziristan? Or for that matter the US in Fallujah or the UK in Helmand? Dont fall into these Arab story telling of that killing innocent civilians is somehow what a dictator wants in 2015. Yes, I agree that some of Assads henchmen might be corrupt and vile and should be taken to book for some crimes they have committed. But saying that Assad says to his airforce to go find innocent civilians to murder so that the world helps him keep his presidency is just ludicrous. It does not work with so much media. Majority of the population is with him. The cities under his control are fighting back with everyday life even with constant aimed mortar fire at civilian zones. And by the way I am against the use of any unguided fire be it barrel bombs against Syrian targets or Hammas rockets against civilians.

 

[PurpleButcher]

"Look East" is going to be the way this 21st century....(assuming russia is considered to be in the east)

The era of anglo saxon dominance is slowly dwindling and will eventually be neutralized in the next 2-3 decades.

 

[Luffy 500]

yes and we should support talibs fighting Afghan government baloch separtists and our very own dhaka jamatis fighting hassina

NO body is talking abt support. U could have remained silent as that that would have been enough of a support for genocidal manaics like @sshead but u guys went a step further and openly backed genocide. Silence during oppression means siding with the oppressor.

Exactly...nations are never politically homogeneous...that's where Democratic set ups are preferred in the civilized world... set ups which mostly act upon the true wishes of the people after creating broad consensus. Such horrible days could have avoided in the Middle East if there regimes had allowed strengthening their political institutions rather than simply focusing on just to remain in power.
But than again...do you really think Iraq has really been rescued from the autocratic regime of Saddam Hussain ? Is Iraq a safe heaven after the Allies found all the most deadliest WMD's ??? Do you really think Libya has become the safe heaven for peace, harmony and progress after the sudden removal of Qaddafi's regime after 4 decades ? These guys were allowed to rule their countries for 3 plus decades, and their sudden removal from the scene, without any developed political institutions has brought such a catastrophe which is beyond any level of morality, ethics. Millions are displaced waiting to die without having any single clue or the reason of all this happening...This thread is not about Pakistan...this thread is about Pakistan's policy towards the Middle Eastern crises...and Pakistan and Pakistanis are totally against any forced removal of leadership of any country including Syria because it will simply add fuel to fire....US Defense Industrial complex may find this situation more and more profitable...but toppling governments in this manner will drag this world to some major crises in future...!!! That's all i can say...So please come outa your Pakistani phobia for minute please..

I talked abt homogeneity bcs netizens drenched in their own ego & nationalism take sides of their degenerate politicians in the name of national interest. As muslims what's important is siding with truth & justice and NOT what politicians do. It may not be the case with u but as a muslims i do not believe in nationalistic BS.

Don't conflate saddam with gaddafi , mubarak & @sshead. Saddam was removed by a secular american crusade where as gaddafi and mubarak were ousted via revolution. It was the people who got fed up of decades of zionazi puppet rule and west simply took advantage of that in libya to protect their interest. In egypt they managed to overthrow the elected president and install another zionazi puppet. SO its western foreign intervention that's the root cause of turmoil and NOT aspirations of muslims or islamic groups. US not officially backing mubarak or ben ali doesn't lessen in any way the atrocities these tyrants committed against their people. Gaddafi was also a tyrant and UK/France taking advantage of libyan mass uprising doesn't lessen in any way the crimes gaddafi committed. IF west hadn't intervened there would have been stability today but west want puppets not stability.

How is that maniac @sshead surviving? Without rafidi iranian & now russian support that genocidal bigot would have been long gone. What exactly did the west do against that genocidal maniac? They r now backing russian position since according to them majority of syrian opposition groups/mujaahideen forces are not "moderate" or liberal enough. West always backed @sshead indirectly , otherwise they would not have changed their red lines everytime @sshead used chemical weapons. Why didn't obama agree with Erdogan's plan for a no-fly zone? That would have helped the refugees and weakened @sshead further. They favour a secular regime and keeping the current secular institution intact but replace a pro-russian/iranian secular manaic with a pro-western manaic.

As for whether pakistanis support their gov policy , well u yourself agreed with me that nations are not politically homogenous and I must say that secular gov in the muslim world do NOT represent the values and views of muslims populace.

And LOL i am not a pakistaniphobe. My PDF history is clear enough proof of that. U are a good example of people drenched in nationalistic ego who can't tolerate constructive criticism of their gov and nation.

 

[Meengla]

But saying that Assad says to his airforce to go find innocent civilians to murder so that the world helps him keep his presidency is just ludicrous. It does not work with so much media. Majority of the population is with him. The cities under his control are fighting back with everyday life even with constant aimed mortar fire at civilian zones.

Yes.
If Assad was really that bad then the Christians of Syria wouldn't put their faith in him.

 

[Xzok0]

NO body is talking abt support. U could have remained silent as that that would have been enough of a support for genocidal manaics like @sshead but u guys went a step further and openly backed genocide. Silence during oppression means siding with the oppressor.

yes we are quietly siding with your jamatis we will never support your government if it kills terrorists after all the terrorists in your country are western propaganda and we only care about divine revelations