Pak PM Imran Khan and Subramanian Swamy tussle on twitter

[Raj-Hindustani]

Pakistani members: It’s been reiterated multiple times that attacks on a faith of abusing a member are not acceptable. Please refrain from violating forum rules - you can make your point without resorting to such language.

Indian members: There is nothing to defend in Swamy’s comments in the OP. They are disgusting and hate-mongering. Only those of you who are bigots could sit here and defend or justify them. When the offense is as clear cut as it is here, it wouldn’t be unpatriotic or anti-national of you to just condemn them and take the opportunity to build bridges with Pakistanis or your own Indian Muslims.

Sir, actually if you ask then I m not defending to swamy or any hard core Hindu leaders....

Just we are discussing about imran khan statement on internal matter of India.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Do you think Indians realize that in a democracy no rule is permanent, and its the rule of the majority. Rules can be broken or made once you have majority. This is what Jinnah said. No amount of constitutions or clauses can save once the majority turns against you.

Agreed

But keep in mind our dear friends @Raj-Hindustani @Gandhi G in da house need to justify this statement, and they resort to the old constitution which is not even valid anymore. In fact, our dear friends should have condemned Subram's statement but they decided to justify it because deep down they might have the same hatred for Muslims, but using India's secular constitution as an excuse.

The funny thing is our friend @Gandhi G in da house openly admits that the key decision makers within India are Anti Muslim, but its all good because India is a secular country. HAHAAHAHAHA I am really not making this shit up, go up and read his post.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

heh we don't care who your PM is. IK, Sharif, or Bhutto they're all the same to us. We know who holds the real power in Pakistan. Of all the ones in PMs in Pakistan, IK and his cabinet are the only ones who are acting out. Neither of them has a clue on how to handle diplomacy, all you're doing is burning the bridges. Forget domestic policy, has IK achieved anything in foreign policy?

Just because he tweets a lot about India that garner attention from some Indians and politicians doesn't make him a better PM.

Keep in mind Twitter is a new thing. It seems like people tweet disproportionately but nobody tweeted before.

I'm proud of the fact that India is a secular country. And would fight till my breath to keep it that way.

But wHy Muslim Rastra Pakistan is so bothered whether Hindustan is Hindu rastra or secular country? This question will certainly to minds of neutral thinkers.

Muslim rastra Pakistan is already theocratic state for last 70 year while no RSS/BJP manage to change Indian Constitution to turn into a Hindu rastra.

And even if India becomes a Hindu rastra, it will be a mirror image of Muslim rastra Pakistan. Then Hindu rastra will decide who is a true Hindu like muslim rastra Pakistan decide who true muslim e,g the case of Ahmadis.

So don't worry pakistan, If India decide to be Hindu rastra in future, it will be much familiar and predictive for Muslims rastra Pakistanis.

Naahhh, you'll bury your "secular" head in the sand while India enjoy its rashtra-hood.

We're very pleased that Khan and others continue to highlight Indian hypocrisies and failures. If our simple Twitter war doesn't hurt you, don't complain about it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir, actually if you ask then I m not defending to swamy or any hard core Hindu leaders....

Just we are discussing about imran khan statement on internal matter of India.

Muslims are not present in just India, and just like Myanmar’s genocide of Muslims could not hide behind the excuse of ‘internal matter’ to avoid international condemnation, neither can comments such as these.

Again, a simple condemnation of Swamy’s comments would have sufficed. When, instead, you focus more on ‘internal matter’ it appears like you’re equivocating.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

So that's your counter, just because Pakistan does not say anything against the Uighur treatment by the Chinese, the Indian Government should be allowed to discriminate and continue its subjugating policies against the Muslims in India.

You sir deserve an award, justifying horrible behavior with equally horrible behavior.

No, never! The point is that does imran khan need to talk on internal matters of India?

Sorry, it does not suit to a PM. Media and politicians of both sides are enough to talk about on each other internal issues.

To be honest, that's fine. Pakistan demonstrated on Feb 27 that India is toothless when it comes to punishing Pakistan militarily, so if there is no relationship that is perfectly fine.

Feb 27 - we don't give a dam for such a small incident. Modi is in power from 2014, means 2019, incidents do not matter here.

Unfortunately, its not only Imran but Indian muslims consider Modi a Nazi too. Feel free to read the commentary of Indian Muslims on this forum. You have successfully isolated 20% of your population. So far your fellow Hindu brothers have been butchering Indian Muslims, what will happen when India's 200 million Muslims also start picking up arms to defend themselves.

If you ask me, Congress is more harmful for them. Congress is a sweet poison (they have not done anything special for them in the last 70 years).

Yes, I never support to such idiots person/organizations like yogi, swamy, Hindu sena, vhp, bajrang bal or any Muslim organizations.

It's a common reality and apply everywhere in the world. If anyone is in majority then they take benefits, it gets apply to India and same as Pakistan.

Finally, I would say that There are six fundamental rights in India. They are Right to Equality, Right to Freedom, Right against Exploitation, Right to Freedom of Religion, Cultural and Educational Rights, and Right to Constitutional Remedies.

So, I don't fcvking care much about modi or any Indian leader. They will come and go but we will be together even with many challenges

 

[Chhatrapati]

Keep in mind Twitter is a new thing. It seems like people tweet disproportionately but nobody tweeted before.

I get that. Twitter is indeed a thing, but when the head of a state/department posts something, it becomes an official statement. It's like Trump, he speaks his mind through twitter without a filter. IK is doing the same in regard to India, he is not dealing with BJP he is supposed to be dealing with India. What this hostility has gained so far?

 

[Baby Leone]

Yeah your PM will regret why he tweeted that post .lol

lol because all modi's political campaign was based on Pakistan hatred.

PMIK will not go to indian trolls low level and will not respond to this low life creature i dont know who he is.

 

[Balbir]

But India is not a secular country. If it was, people like Yogi, Subram, Modi and Amit Shah would never be in the positions where they are today. So i guess you lost your battle. And Indian members on this forum certainly seems to think that too.

You guys are too much in awe of Yogi, Subram, Modi and Amit Shah. They are hardly that powerful they are made out to be. India is constitutional democracy with strong federal structure governed by rule of law which is secular. BJP and Modi who won 305 seats in general election of Lokshabha can't five seats in Delhi state election. All policies of the govt go thorough test of legality by the courts. States have own executive powers that center can't snatch and impose itself easily including control over police. People who crying horse of over Modi rule are more politically driven.

Otherwise, in last six years, muslim weren't discriminated and left out of any manner in central govt welfare program.

They were cases of lynching, but many of them were congress ruled state where Modi influence hardly exist, in fact e,g in communist ruled Kerala there are more numbers of RSS/BJP killin in one year than mob lynching of muslims in last five years.

If anything, it becoming common crib among Hindu RW that Modi is going too soft muslims and not following hardcore hindutva agendda as @nilupule often says in this forum.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I get that. Twitter is indeed a thing, but when the head of a state/department posts something, it becomes an official statement. It's like Trump, he speaks his mind through twitter without a filter. IK is doing the same in regard to India, he is not dealing with BJP he is supposed to be dealing with India. What this hostility has gained so far?

There’s a domestic Pakistani aspect to highlighting the BJP’s bigotry and India’s descent into communalism as well.

That said, did the Nazis stop their pogroms against Jews in Germany or did they continue them in other countries they occupied militarily? If we are to learn from history, this kind of poisonous and hateful rhetoric should not be ignored.

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

All i can say after seeing Submarine Swamy response and some Indian members comments here is that definitely IK is doing something, in fact quiet a lot right. It reminds of those famous words, said for different people and in different context but very well fitting here: "Mein in ko roloun ga, inhein takleef puhanche gi..."

And way to spin it, btw the only thing people across the border are good nowadays, in fact had always only been good at.
Mr. Submarine Swamy is the only one engaging and acting as a troll here. All PM IK did was to show the true ugly face and naked belly of a fake secular, quickly turning fascist state of India and its current fascist rulers. Seems like Mr. Submarine can only talk the talk but can't own it, clearly he didn't like "this" face of India being projected to the world and hence his childish and defensive rant.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Agreed

But keep in mind our dear friends @Raj-Hindustani @Gandhi G in da house need to justify this statement, and they resort to the old constitution which is not even valid anymore. In fact, our dear friends should have condemned Subram's statement but they decided to justify it because deep down they might have the same hatred for Muslims, but using India's secular constitution as an excuse.

The funny thing is our friend @Gandhi G in da house openly admits that the key decision makers within India are Anti Muslim, but its all good because India is a secular country. HAHAAHAHAHA I am really not making this shit up, go up and read his post.

Without a doubt! Any statement from swamy, yogi, a common man or any leader against Muslims.

If they give any such statement then it should be condemned.

 

[SIPRA]

IK's tweet has ignited on the tails of Hindutvadi gang.

 

[notorious_eagle]

You guys are too much in awe of Yogi, Subram, Modi and Amit Shah. They are hardly that powerful they are made out to be.

Modi: The freaking Prime Minister of India
Amit Shah: Home Minister
Yogi: CM of Uttar Pradesh, a state with 200 million people
Subram: A core member of the BJP leadership, considered very close to Modi

So these people are not powerful . You Sir have literally left me speechless, these men who occupy the highest offices in your country are not powerful. I wonder then who is powerful in your opinion, a janitor at the local municipal office in Delhi.

India is constitutional democracy with strong federal structure governed by rule of law which is secular. BJP and Modi who won 305 seats in general election of Lokshabha can't five seats in Delhi state election. All policies of the govt go thorough test of legality by the courts. States have own executive powers that center can't snatch and impose itself easily including control over police. People who crying horse of over Modi rule are more politically driven.

Thank You for throwing a bunch of fancy words, that have zero relevance to this discussion.

Otherwise, in last six years, muslim weren't discriminated and left out of any manner in central govt welfare program.

Good point, then i wonder why Muslims in India have been screaming at the top of their lungs that they are getting butchered. Feel free to engage in a discussion with Indian Muslims on this very forum, and let them know what you just told me as an Indian Hindu. Even the average Germans till the late 1930's used to say that Jews were not being discriminated against, reminds me kind of you.

They were cases of lynching, but many of them were congress ruled state where Modi influence hardly exist, in fact e,g in communist ruled Kerala there are more numbers of RSS/BJP killin in one year than mob lynching of muslims in last five years.

Modi's and his henchmen hatred in terms of speeches certainly seems to have spilled over across the State Lines. The mere fact that the lynchers were able to get away scott free, tells you what has been happening.

If anything, it becoming common crib among Hindu RW that Modi is going too soft muslims and not following hardcore hindutva agendda as @nilupule often says in this forum.

That i agree with. Per RSS Hinduvta agenda, Muslims should be rounded up and butchered. Anything less then that is too soft for the Hinduvta brigade.

 

[Chhatrapati]

There’s a domestic aspect to highlighting the BJP’s bigotry and India’s descent into communalism as well.

That said, did the Nazis stop their pogroms against Jews in Germany? If we are to learn from history, this kind of poisonous and hateful rhetoric should not be ignored.

As the saying goes, "anyone who doesn't agree with my political view is a Nazi". India was and is still a highly religious country so it's natural communalism still exists. We never descended or arise from communalism. But people have grown out of the dangerous communal bigotry that existed in the 90's and early 2000s.

I couldn't care any less about Swamy. But, what he said is right, quoting a part of the speech and highlighting it as as some bigotry is wrong. His son in law is a Muslim. There are no equal rights in India, Muslims have separate laws special concessions and reservations, so does many other communities, tribes, castes and so on. Hence you can't apply CAA equally to every other person which is the crux of the point he is talking about. He is not talking about ostracising Muslims, but whatever sells more for the media.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245942118339706880

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245949916641255426

Denying them food? You can't just make up claims like these without evidence.

Absolutely ridiculous, but then again these Hindutva cadres believe Muslims are responsoble for Corona.

"Whataboutery" of Hindus. @xeuss