PAF to induct JF17 Thunder Block III in 2016

[Sinnerman108]

so how much different it will look?-

Almost no visual differences.

 

[tahir195]

Perhaps you are mixing it with report claiming that JF-17 is flying with WS-13 that came from a Chinese official at Paris Air show, what he was saying was that " JF-17 is testing/flying with WS-13 as test and evaluation back home, not at the show" PAF is not stupid to go to an air show with new unproven engine.

WS-13 is being tested and evaluated, the lab tests have completed as said is the same report and flught testing is underway. I guess we may see JFT Blk-III with WS-13. However what will be advantages in specs or performance remains to be seen.

but but but

Shit man you ruined my life

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

what is the prove that in paris airshow JF-17 is using WS-13 Engine? the only JF-17 that testing WS-13 is in the chinese mainland.

Originally posted by @Windjammer in Thunder over Paris video.

• Air Platforms
  Paris Air Show 2015: JF-17 fighter flying with indigenous Chinese turbofan
  Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
• 17 June 2015

• Chinese officials have confirmed that a new indigenous engine is being flight tested for the JF-17, seen here at Paris Air Show on 15 June. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

• Chinese officials at the Paris Air Show have said flight-testing of a new indigenous engine for the JF-17
• Thunder is under way
• Officials also confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani-developed aircraft had achieved its first international sale, although they did not disclose the customer

A senior Chinese aviation official has revealed that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation FC-1/JF-17 fighter co-developed with Pakistan has been test-flown with a new Chinese medium-thrust turbofan engine.

Li Yuhai, an executive vice president with the Aviation Industries Corporation of China (AVIC), told IHS Jane's at the Paris Airshow that a new Chinese turbofan for the J-17 has been "under testing," has completed "lab tests", and that "flight testing is in progress". He also said that the new engine would have a thrust slightly greater than the 8.7-ton thrust of the JF-17's current Klimov RD-93 turbofan.

At a joint Sino-Pakistani press conference on 15 June, Li also said progress was being made on the twin-seat version of the JF 17.

Pakistani sources at Paris confirmed that a JF-17 has been flying with the new Chinese turbofan, which could be revealed publicly "very soon". There is a suggestion the engine could be named 'WS-17' to complement the JF-17b, but officials did not provide any further performance indicators.

One Chinese medium-thrust turbofan programme long reported as slated for the FC-1/JF-17 has been called the WS-13 and reportedly flew in 2010. It has been developed with help from Russia's Klimov and is reportedly based on its RD-33 turbofan.

While previous reports mentioned development difficulties with the WS-13, the willingness of Chinese officials to talk publicly about this engine suggests a higher level of confidence in its prospects.

At the 2008 Airshow China in Zhuhai the Chengdu Gas Turbine Research Institute revealed it was developing a 9.5 ton-thrust turbofan and showed a possible model at the same show. It is not known if this is the engine that is now being test flown on a JF-17.

Despite the news of the new engine testing, Pakistani officials at Paris said they remain satisfied with the Klimov RD-93. In 2010 China obtained a Russian commitment to meet a potential requirement of up to 500 RD-93 engines to support the JF-17 programme. This figure would support Pakistan's requirements for up to 275 JF-17s plus international exports.

A Pakistani official also confirmed reports that the first export contract for the JF-17 has been signed. The official would only say that the contract had been signed in the first half of 2015 but would not name the customer.

Pakistani officials say they are having "serious" discussions with 11 countries, including Argentina, which a source confirmed is interested in co-producing the JF-17.

In its first appearance at Paris, the JF-17 is also accompanied by two new weapon options. One is the C-705KD missile, an IIR/TV-guided ground-attack version of the 140-170 km-range C-705 that was revealed at the 2012 Zhuhai airshow. A Pakistani source said up to four C-705KDs could be carried by the JF-17.

The second new weapon displayed with the JF-17 for the first time is the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) CM-102 anti-radiation missile. Revealed at the 2014 Zhuhai show, it has an advertised range of 100 km. A Pakistani source noted that other versions could have 50% to 70% further range.

Making its second international appearance was the CASIC CM-400AKG Mach-5 speed ground attack missile. A Pakistani official noted it did not have "passive" guidance, which might enable attacks against mobile targets such as ships, but has inertial navigational system/GPS guidance for attacking fixed targets.

Asked whether the CM-400AKG was in Pakistani service an official responded with a pointed "no comment".

Pakistan has produced 50 Block 1 versions of the JF-17 and has started production of 50 Block 2 versions. Officials said that discussions are underway with China for a Block 3 version that will include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that is being developed by the Nanjing Research of Electronic Technology (NRIST).

Pakistani officials noted it could be based on NRIST's AESA radar developed for the Chengdu J-10B fighter but would not confirm any relation between the two systems. The Block 3 JF-17 will also incorporate a helmet-mounted display and a possible internal infrared search and tracking (IRST) system.
@@Oscar @@araz @@MastanKhan @@Irfan Baloch @@Horus @@Dazzler

 

[Umar Jasim]

It's seems like block 3 will have NRIST's AESA radar.. That already China using in J-10b fighter Jets. Need to add more hardpoints in block 3 so then it will be the direct competitor of F-16 block 60.

 

[Arsalan]

Originally posted by @Windjammer in Thunder over Paris video.

• Air Platforms
  Paris Air Show 2015: JF-17 fighter flying with indigenous Chinese turbofan
  Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
• 17 June 2015

• Chinese officials have confirmed that a new indigenous engine is being flight tested for the JF-17, seen here at Paris Air Show on 15 June. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen

• Chinese officials at the Paris Air Show have said flight-testing of a new indigenous engine for the JF-17
• Thunder is under way
• Officials also confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani-developed aircraft had achieved its first international sale, although they did not disclose the customer

A senior Chinese aviation official has revealed that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation FC-1/JF-17 fighter co-developed with Pakistan has been test-flown with a new Chinese medium-thrust turbofan engine.

Li Yuhai, an executive vice president with the Aviation Industries Corporation of China (AVIC), told IHS Jane's at the Paris Airshow that a new Chinese turbofan for the J-17 has been "under testing," has completed "lab tests", and that "flight testing is in progress". He also said that the new engine would have a thrust slightly greater than the 8.7-ton thrust of the JF-17's current Klimov RD-93 turbofan.

At a joint Sino-Pakistani press conference on 15 June, Li also said progress was being made on the twin-seat version of the JF 17.

Pakistani sources at Paris confirmed that a JF-17 has been flying with the new Chinese turbofan, which could be revealed publicly "very soon". There is a suggestion the engine could be named 'WS-17' to complement the JF-17b, but officials did not provide any further performance indicators.

One Chinese medium-thrust turbofan programme long reported as slated for the FC-1/JF-17 has been called the WS-13 and reportedly flew in 2010. It has been developed with help from Russia's Klimov and is reportedly based on its RD-33 turbofan.

While previous reports mentioned development difficulties with the WS-13, the willingness of Chinese officials to talk publicly about this engine suggests a higher level of confidence in its prospects.

At the 2008 Airshow China in Zhuhai the Chengdu Gas Turbine Research Institute revealed it was developing a 9.5 ton-thrust turbofan and showed a possible model at the same show. It is not known if this is the engine that is now being test flown on a JF-17.

Despite the news of the new engine testing, Pakistani officials at Paris said they remain satisfied with the Klimov RD-93. In 2010 China obtained a Russian commitment to meet a potential requirement of up to 500 RD-93 engines to support the JF-17 programme. This figure would support Pakistan's requirements for up to 275 JF-17s plus international exports.

A Pakistani official also confirmed reports that the first export contract for the JF-17 has been signed. The official would only say that the contract had been signed in the first half of 2015 but would not name the customer.

Pakistani officials say they are having "serious" discussions with 11 countries, including Argentina, which a source confirmed is interested in co-producing the JF-17.

In its first appearance at Paris, the JF-17 is also accompanied by two new weapon options. One is the C-705KD missile, an IIR/TV-guided ground-attack version of the 140-170 km-range C-705 that was revealed at the 2012 Zhuhai airshow. A Pakistani source said up to four C-705KDs could be carried by the JF-17.

The second new weapon displayed with the JF-17 for the first time is the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) CM-102 anti-radiation missile. Revealed at the 2014 Zhuhai show, it has an advertised range of 100 km. A Pakistani source noted that other versions could have 50% to 70% further range.

Making its second international appearance was the CASIC CM-400AKG Mach-5 speed ground attack missile. A Pakistani official noted it did not have "passive" guidance, which might enable attacks against mobile targets such as ships, but has inertial navigational system/GPS guidance for attacking fixed targets.

Asked whether the CM-400AKG was in Pakistani service an official responded with a pointed "no comment".

Pakistan has produced 50 Block 1 versions of the JF-17 and has started production of 50 Block 2 versions. Officials said that discussions are underway with China for a Block 3 version that will include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that is being developed by the Nanjing Research of Electronic Technology (NRIST).

Pakistani officials noted it could be based on NRIST's AESA radar developed for the Chengdu J-10B fighter but would not confirm any relation between the two systems. The Block 3 JF-17 will also incorporate a helmet-mounted display and a possible internal infrared search and tracking (IRST) system.
@@Oscar @@araz @@MastanKhan @@Irfan Baloch @@Horus @@Dazzler

It is a case of mixing two different statements/sentences to make one. The article you posted yourself says “ Chinese officials confirmed that JF-17 is flying with WS-13, undergoing flight testing” the second one was “the official told that at Paris Air Show”

Now we joined the two to extract “Chinese officials confirmed that JF-17 is flying with WS-13, undergoing flight testing, at Paris air show” THIS IS NOT CORRECT.

Even if we use common sense, PAF is not stupid to go to an international fir with planes flying with test engines, that will be idiotic!

The fact is, JF-17 IS flying with WS-13 engine as well as RD-93MA (improved RD-93 with thrust reportedly in region of 97kT) and both these planes are in CHINA undergoing flight testing. The lab tests are complete the flight evaluation is underway. Here is the image:

Even if you read the whole article, you will see it states:

Pakistani sources at Paris confirmed that a JF-17 has been flying with the new Chinese turbofan, which could be revealed publicly "very soon".

Meaning, it was not there at Paris Air Show.

I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT NOW, JF-17 IS BEING TESTED WITH WS-13 IN CHINA BUT THE PLANES AT PARIS AIR SHOW WERE FROM OPERATION BLOCK-1 SQUADRON EQUIPPED WITH RUSSIAN RD-93 ENGINES.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

It is a case of mixing two different statements/sentences to make one. The article you posted yourself says “ Chinese officials confirmed that JF-17 is flying with WS-13, undergoing flight testing” the second one was “the official told that at Paris Air Show”

Now we joined the two to extract “Chinese officials confirmed that JF-17 is flying with WS-13, undergoing flight testing, at Paris air show” THIS IS NOT CORRECT.

Even if we use common sense, PAF is not stupid to go to an international fir with planes flying with test engines, that will be idiotic!

The fact is, JF-17 IS flying with WS-13 engine as well as RD-93MA (improved RD-93 with thrust reportedly in region of 97kT) and both these planes are in CHINA undergoing flight testing. The lab tests are complete the flight evaluation is underway. Here is the image:

Even if you read the whole article, you will see it states:


Meaning, it was not there at Paris Air Show.

I HOPE THIS CLEARS IT NOW, JF-17 IS BEING TESTED WITH WS-13 IN CHINA BUT THE PLANES AT PARIS AIR SHOW WERE FROM OPERATION BLOCK-1 SQUADRON EQUIPPED WITH RUSSIAN RD-93 ENGINES.

It is clear that the aircraft engine was the Russian one that flew in PAS.

 

[Arsalan]

It is clear that the aircraft engine was the Russian one that flew in PAS.

Well you replied to a post by another member who was asking for PROOF that the plane in Paris air show was flying with WS-13 an in your reply quote a length article without clarifying it to him that the plane we saw at the show was not with Chinese engine.

what is the prove that in paris airshow JF-17 is using WS-13 Engine? the only JF-17 that testing WS-13 is in the chinese mainland.

Anyways, it is good that there is no confusion now, hopefully the we will see the engine being tested currently equipping Block-III aircraft.

 

[Path-Finder]

"The Block 3 JF-17 will also incorporate a helmet-mounted display"

does anyone have more info about the possible HMD?

 

[CHI RULES]

What abt speed which is up to maximum reported at Mach 1.8 it should be improved up to Mach 2.2 to 2.3 and sustainable speed up to Mach 2 along with improvement in service ceiling should required to be improved up to 62 to 65000 feet as comparable to other 4.5th-4.5+gen fighters. Further some work should be done on stealthiness and to control smoke coming out of engine. Smokeless engine with low heat signatures is must.

 

[Kurlang]

"The Block 3 JF-17 will also incorporate a helmet-mounted display"

does anyone have more info about the possible HMD?

Aviation Helmet Designs & Helmet Mounted Systems

 

[vizier]

I think if the landing gear arrangement is modified like for example Mig 21 landing gear like it opens sideways from inside the wings and only the wheel is inside the fuselage ( or same current configuration carried backwards in the fuselage section), then there would be enough space for conformal weapon bays inside the fuselage maybe with a slight enlargement just behind the inlets.

 

[vizier]

external enclosed weapons bay is another option if conformal weapon bays are too costly to modify. This way without increasing its radar cross section Jf 17 can carry missiles for both a2a and possibly a2g.

 

[Attock]

If any one responsible for JFT from PAF is reading this thread my request would be to make the aircraft a bit more slim.

 

[Xn Jin]

any conform picture of the model please!

 

[krash]

Oh really we have just started induction of blk 2 and aircraft manufacturing rate is about 15-20 per year minimally it will take 3 years to complete 50 and also their is also first export order than next blk

Things are actually far simpler than that. At least 13 of the 50 Block IIs have already been made, production started June 2014 (pictures posted on this forum a couple of days ago). Taking the reports of ramping up production and estimating it at 20 birds per year we should have 33 birds by June 2016 and all 50 before June 2017, leaving ample time for the Block III's production to begin just before 2018. Furthermore, as I have posted before, PAC reportedly can increase the annual production to 25 given the finances and if that happens the timeline would shift even sooner. Also an export order would do exactly that; provide finances for production increase, thereby catering to the export order with 5 (or more) of the 25 birds being produced annually. Another thing to keep in mind is that as per reports the export order birds will only start being delivered in late 2017. So, roughly, we have at least another year of the production all to ourselves.

Of course, this is all considering that the production does increase to 20 or more per year and that no hiccups are encountered along the way.

A twin seater BLKII variant is under development ... Meanwhile we still haven't inducted BLKII yet.. Whose manufacturing started this year...


So makes no sense...


Apart from that BLKIII will be equipped with an AESA or PESA,IRST etc...


The discription provided here is exactly what we know about BLKII and not BLKIII...

Block 2 JF-17 makes first flight ahead of Block 3 improvements - IHS Jane's 360

Not before 2018... Only 4 block 2 have been constructed 46 more will take at least till 2018 to complete. On top of that finalisation and testing of block 3 will also requir time.



May also include dedicated hard point for carrying various pods.

Production started in June 2014, speculatively at least 13 block 2s built till now.

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