PAF to induct 188 JF-17 aircrafts including 26 JF-17B & 50 JF-17 Blk3

[ARMalik]

The number 188 JFTs does not make sense since there were many reports and discussion on a Sister forum that the actual number of JFTs was 250! There were even reports that due to changed Geo-Political situation at the Western border, the JFTs numbers would go all the way up to 300.

Anyway, 188 JFTs is not a satisfactory number UNLESS there is a plan to induct another fighter jet.

 

[denel]

I thought the PAF was after a LIFT platform in order to reduce engine cycles on front line fighters? Please correct me, but a LIFT has a low cost, low maintenance afterburner to give students their first taste of handling AB. So the intention was

Turbo propeller : Super Mushshak
Turbofan: K-8
Turbofan + Afterburner: LIFT

At least that's my understanding of where LIFT fits internationally.

That is correct!. On point. The challenge is what fits and can be accommodated with ease cost wise; ROI is just not there in this case.

 

[khanasifm]

The number 188 JFTs does not make sense since there were many reports and discussion on a Sister forum that the actual number of JFTs was 250! There were even reports that due to changed Geo-Political situation at the Western border, the JFTs numbers would go all the way up to 300.

Anyway, 188 JFTs is not a satisfactory number UNLESS there is a plan to induct another fighter jet.

This is not final order but covering next block only spoken to someone and he said if they replace one for one a-5, mirages , f7/pg than 275-300 are needed if they go for less than of course less are needed

6 mirage and 4 f-7/pg Sqn left so assuming 20/sqn that 200 aircraft

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We are way behind our scheduled upgrade

People estimated back in 2008-2009 , we would have 250 Jets by 2015
I estimated it 250

To claim now in 2019 we will have 188 , we are way way way behind

 

[Signalian]

AWAC or air superiority? Or ground support.

Falcon DA-20

F-16 is not support aircraft bro. They are air superiority or ground attack in whole multirole. I fail to understand how is F-16 considered support. He should have said cover fire could have been provided by F-16. Support can be referred to as AWAC, mid air refueling and EW. None of those roles are in F-16 and JF-17 can also do cover as good as an F-16. BVR of JF-17 is also deadly.

So who gave cover don't matter that role can be done by all jets in inventory.

Not denying tho that F-16 is not good but more credit goes to the attack and cover strategy and that is result of USA and PAF joint training. That is something @MastanKhan should give credit to. USA learned a lot from Pakistan and Pakistan learned a lot from USA in cold war days. In reality Pakistan know more about F-16 air to air role than USA as Pakistan uses it more and has cold war experience in Soviet Afghan war time.

F-16's EW suite is the best in PAF's combat aircrafts.

 

[Maxpane]

When the obvious, is obvious, it is not so obvious.

sir oper se guzar gai ha bat

 

[Signalian]

People estimated back in 2008-2009 , we would have 250 Jets by 2015
I estimated it 250

Did Project Azm start in 2008-2009 ?

So PAF will be relying on JF 17, No plans of inducting new platforms like EF or J10s to fill the gap until FGFA?

The question should be, which aircraft will replace ROSE upgraded Mirages and also capable of delivering Ra'ad ?

 

[New World]

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Least Chance but better Chance to get Chinese L-15/JL-10 @RangeMaster
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[Pakistani Fighter]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---.

Your post shows SELECTIVE information---. We try very hard that you young people may learn---but alas---.

It is not the JF17 that won the skirmish---it was the support package flying behind the JF17 that gave it the upper hand---.

And F 16s which shot down both IAF jets

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

And F 16s which shot down both IAF jets

No f-16s used in that engagement

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---.

Your post shows SELECTIVE information---. We try very hard that you young people may learn---but alas---.

It is not the JF17 that won the skirmish---it was the support package flying behind the JF17 that gave it the upper hand---.

Yes, let's not get cocky.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

No f-16s used in that engagement

They were the main escorts

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The number 188 JFTs does not make sense since there were many reports and discussion on a Sister forum that the actual number of JFTs was 250! There were even reports that due to changed Geo-Political situation at the Western border, the JFTs numbers would go all the way up to 300.

Anyway, 188 JFTs is not a satisfactory number UNLESS there is a plan to induct another fighter jet.

The total manufacturing run could reach 250-300 JF-17s, but as of right now, the PAF has slotted in 188 JF-17s due by the mid-2020s. If it pursues a Block-IV or Block-V for the 2030-2035 time-frame, then the run will rise to 250-300. However, looking to 2030-2035 isn't a factor right now, so the 250-300 figure doesn't really matter yet.

@messiach -- the PAF CAS told Alan Warnes that the FGFA will be a single seat, twin-engine fighter. He also said the PAF is open to collaborating with allied states, but the final product must be ITAR-free.

This doesn't sound like what the previous CAS (ACM Sohail Aman) said about Project Azm, working with China, and starting production in just 5-10 years. Is Project Azm basically the "natural evolution" of JF-17 you spoke of (Block-IV/V) and, to deal with replacing F-16s, another FGFA is being sought?

 

[BHarwana]

Klj7A is better it covers more area with wider detection.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yak-130 behtar nahy rahega..

Keon valid wajah to batao @New World

 

[SQ8]

F22 is only for USAF while F35 is intended for export but limited to very highly trained airforces plus it is essentially and LM system while JF17 is a new system and other countries have no prior experience with it thus simulator may not replace it

Highly trained airforces will still need support. It all depends upon the system- the B model will support the JF-17 customers and since we can induct it as well can serve the same purpose for us along with block-3 conversions.