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a large scale of mix, most of the time are forced.

It depends. When there is rape on such a massive scale, it would be documented (if everything else is). If such documentation is nonexistent, then (so long as the historical records of that time are still plentiful in other matters) we can make the reasonable assumption that most of the mixing was not forced, but with consent from both parties.

With the Mongols, we do know that it was forced because the historical records from the time reflect this. But even then, this is meaningless. It happens. It's not anything to be ashamed of, Khan descendants did not rape or get raped by anyone, and had no influence over what happened to their ancestors. And they're far from the only ones with a rapist among their ancestors.
 
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It depends. When there is rape on such a massive scale, it would be documented (if everything else is). If such documentation is nonexistent, then (so long as the historical records of that time are still plentiful in other matters) we can make the reasonable assumption that most of the mixing was not forced, but with consent from both parties.

With the Mongols, we do know that it was forced because the historical records from the time reflect this. But even then, this is meaningless. It happens. It's not anything to be ashamed of, Khan descendants did not rape or get raped by anyone, and had no influence over what happened to their ancestors. And they're far from the only ones with a rapist among their ancestors.
what done is done. but actually who is the ancestor of Pakistanis people? Aryan?
 
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@Hakikat ve Hikmet; Pakistan-Turkey cooperation is an "inwards reliance". I am coining these words up but I believe Pakistan doesn't see Turkey as an external resource, and that means a lot. If Turkey has something, we can as reliably say that we have access to it, and vice versa.
If turkey is forced out of NATO due to american crap....i would like to see Pak nuke for ces in turkey and turkish air naval and land forces in Pakistan
 
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If turkey is forced out of NATO due to american crap....i would like to see Pak nuke for ces in turkey and turkish air naval and land forces in Pakistan
And get invaded by USA/West for spreading nukes to other Muslims countries like they did in second gulf war in the name of WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION @snow lake ;):enjoy:
 
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Hopefully, a similar article will be written for Pak-Turkey cooperation too...
Unfortunately Pak is walking a thin line economically and therefore can only afford to either go with China or Turkey(not both) for the new project Azm fighter jet. Since it is a high risk project due to Pak's very limited domestic capabilities as far as 5th gen fighter jet manufacturing is concerned. I think chances are high that Pak will team up with China in order to reduce that risk considerably bcuz China has already developed various key technologies in that regard.

However Pak and Turkey(with its ongoing TFX) can collaborate on avionics and armaments. So there might be a possibility that TFX and Azm would have some shared avionics and armaments.
 
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what done is done. but actually who is the ancestor of Pakistanis people? Aryan?

Nobody's ancestry is monolithic, we are all mixed to some degree. However, I would say that compared to other countries, we definitely fall into the category of being more mixed than others. To dumb it down for you, Pakistan is pretty much just a mix of Afghanistan and India. As a result, the two major groups of people in Pakistan are the Indics and the Iranics.

However, being wedged right in between Central Asia, the Middle East, North Asia and South Asia means many others have come to our region as well, but these groups have pretty much entirely assimilated into either the Iranic or Indic (some of them even both) fold. But a few of them have retained their unique identity (such as the Hazaras, Burusho, Sheedis and Kalash).

In terms of individuals, because of these above facts, we all tend to be very mixed, but usually identify with our patrilineal clan, which is the continuous chain of male ancestors on our fathers side (so basically our father, his father, and his father before him, going on for as far back as we can remember).

But of course, that's only in terms of ancestry. Most Pakistanis identify more with being Muslim than belonging to a specific set of people with a recent common ancestor (even the less religious tend to hold such views). This is because of the fact that in Islam, loyalty to Muslims as a whole is considered a vital aspect of the religion and because as per Islam, all of humanity shares a common ancestry going back to Adam (peace be upon him) and Eve (may Allah be pleased with her). So you'll get people who aren't descended from the Islamic invaders but still view them as their heroes. But the trend of ethnocentrism is growing among Pakistanis, but due to how mixed we are a lot of us are struggling to find a coherent narrative based along these lines.
 
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Nobody's ancestry is monolithic, we are all mixed to some degree. However, I would say that compared to other countries, we definitely fall into the category of being more mixed than others. To dumb it down for you, Pakistan is pretty much just a mix of Afghanistan and India. As a result, the two major groups of people in Pakistan are the Indics and the Iranics.

However, being wedged right in between Central Asia, the Middle East, North Asia and South Asia means many others have come to our region as well, but these groups have pretty much entirely assimilated into either the Iranic or Indic (some of them even both) fold. But a few of them have retained their unique identity (such as the Hazaras, Burusho, Sheedis and Kalash).

In terms of individuals, because of these above facts, we all tend to be very mixed, but usually identify with our patrilineal clan, which is the continuous chain of male ancestors on our fathers side (so basically our father, his father, and his father before him, going on for as far back as we can remember).

But of course, that's only in terms of ancestry. Most Pakistanis identify more with being Muslim than belonging to a specific set of people with a recent common ancestor (even the less religious tend to hold such views). This is because of the fact that in Islam, loyalty to Muslims as a whole is considered a vital aspect of the religion and because as per Islam, all of humanity shares a common ancestry going back to Adam (peace be upon him) and Eve (may Allah be pleased with her). So you'll get people who aren't descended from the Islamic invaders but still view them as their heroes. But the trend of ethnocentrism is growing among Pakistanis, but due to how mixed we are a lot of us are struggling to find a coherent narrative based along these lines.
very informative post , thanks indeed.
 
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And get invaded by USA/West for spreading nukes to other Muslims countries like they did in second gulf war in the name of WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION @snow lake ;):enjoy:
If they could've invaded us, they would've.... the most they could do is impose sanctions on us....Pakistan is not iraq or syria mate. We were already caught once giving nukes to other muslim states, remember....
 
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And get invaded by USA/West for spreading nukes to other Muslims countries like they did in second gulf war in the name of WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION @snow lake ;):enjoy:
Looool..
Yet how many times did they threaten Pakistan. Why didnt they invade? Why didnt the israelis bomb our reactor...
Most of all what people like you lack is faith and confidence in yourself.
They will shout etc...but u thinkbturkey and pakistan are like arabs?
Name me one country the west has invaded that can hurt them?

nearly impossible, cause Pakistan is strong enough to protect itself.
So i britain but american forces are based there.
 
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If Pakistan announces it then it must be half way thru already
 
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Looool..
Yet how many times did they threaten Pakistan. Why didnt they invade? Why didnt the israelis bomb our reactor...
Most of all what people like you lack is faith and confidence in yourself.
They will shout etc...but u thinkbturkey and pakistan are like arabs?
Name me one country the west has invaded that can hurt them?
Forget USA threaten us after 9/11 @snow lake
 
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