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Not a question if ignoring it. Your sensational report claims they found 100 girls groomed. There are an estimated 5000 child prostitutes in Britain. Where are the other 4900 coming from? Is this whole thing a Pakistani run operation?

Actual statistics please!
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Asians(Read Pakistanis) 21 Times More Likely Than Whites to Be Child Groomers
By Stephen Palmer – Asians are at least 21 times more likely to commit child grooming offences in Britain than whites, according to figures from the child protection agency Ceop.

The statistics show that almost as many Asians have been reported for child grooming offences as whites, despite making up a distinctly smaller percentage of the population.

Ceop’s report identified 2,083 victims and 2,379 offenders since the start of 2008.

The report showed that, in half of the cases, the race of the perpetrators had been excluded because of insufficient evidence. Of the remaining half, 38 per cent were 'unknown', 30 per cent were white, 28 per cent were Asian, 3 per cent black and 0.16 per cent Chinese.

Typically, the mainstream media have reported the most politically correct set of statistics listed in the report, which state that 38 per cent of offenders were white and 26 per cent Asian; however, those numbers only account for one of two ‘groups’ of offenders, and when both groups are combined, the totals are much closer: 30 per cent white and 28 per cent Asian, or 367 white offenders to 346 Asian.

After 'British' and 'unknown', the largest offender group listed by nationality is 'Pakistani', although the statistics are clearly lacking completion.

The report gives no religious breakdown of the offenders.

For such a tiny minority group, 28% is pretty startling. And before you start going BNP racist blah blah, you can get the original report here,

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment_executive_summary.pdf

Child Exploitation & Online Protection Centre - internet safety - CEOP

And here's the latest update from 2012-2013 from the Child Exploitation and Online protection center.

There is little demographic data available which helps in predetermining GGACSE offenders or victims. In those cases of which CEOP is aware, the offending is predominantly male against female although there are a small number of exceptions.

Ethnicity is one area which has received high profile media attention as a result of recent convictions. Data currently suggests that a disproportionate number of offenders are British Asian, particularly British Pakistani, males. However, more work needs to be done with a broader set of data to better understand whether any correlation exists.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/CEOPThreatA_2012_190612_web.pdf


If you still can't rather don't want to acknowledge the problem then :wave:
 
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Damn Indians basically polluting UK..
You can't even look around without seeing some brown Indian with a turban
These Indians causing us Pakistanis to look bad in UK..
 
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Damn Indians basically polluting UK..
You can't even look around without seeing some brown Indian with a turban
These Indians causing us Pakistanis to look bad in UK..

Yeah as opposed to these nordic looking Pakistanis :rofl:

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Not a question if ignoring it. Your sensational report claims they found 100 girls groomed. There are an estimated 5000 child prostitutes in Britain. Where are the other 4900 coming from? Is this whole thing a Pakistani run operation?

Actual statistics please!
Where did you get the 5000 figure.Is that an official figure acknowledged by the authorities.
And you will never know just like in Amsterdam grooming gangs actual figures could be very large.
Why Amsterdam's legal brothels are a lesson for Britain about telling the truth on sex gangs and race | Mail Online

Vulnerable Children - Child Trafficking India


Thousands of girls are trafficked from Bangladesh and Nepal. 200,000 Nepalese girls under 16 years are in prostitution in India.

What does that proves???I can post similar figures on Pakistan.But that does not answer my question.
 
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For such a tiny minority group, 28% is pretty startling. And before you start going BNP racist blah blah, you can get the original report here,

The trouble with quoting BNP summaries without reading the actual report is the reality gets lost in the details.

So, let's examine the summary:

unfortunately, CEOP received a limited response from agencies [...]the data is significantly weighted towards the relatively limited number of areas who have provided a comprehensive response

Right off the bat, it calls into question the validity of the conclusions. Are they weighted towards certain ethnic localities which happened to provide data?

And now the full report:

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment.zip

Table 4, p. 41, tells us that out of 1217 offenders, 45 were Pakistani and 290 were Asian - other, with another 464 Unknown. Once again, the data is incomplete but even granting leeway, we have a 3.5% representation in the -- admittedly unrepresentative -- sample. Given that Pakistanis are 1.5% of the population, that's a 2x likelihood, not a 21x over-representation as the BNP summary claims.

Left unanswered in all this is my original question of where the rest of the child prostitutes are coming from? Where is the evidence that this is a Pakistani industry?

Where did you get the 5000 figure.Is that an official figure acknowledged by the authorities.

Child Prostitution in the UK: boyfriends and beatings

Home Office statistics suggest as many as 5,000 young people are sexually exploited in the UK in any one year, although other estimates are as high as 10,000

What does that proves???I can post similar figures on Pakistan.But that does not answer my question.

You wanted evidence where Asians target females of a different community for sexual exploitation.
 
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Left unanswered in all this is my original question of where the rest of the child prostitutes are coming from? Where is the evidence that this is a Pakistani industry?

And once again you conveniently overlooked the CEOP report from 2012? Where it clearly says,

Ethnicity is one area which has received high profile media attention as a result of recent convictions. Data currently suggests that a disproportionate number of offenders are British Asian, particularly British Pakistani, males. However, more work needs to be done with a broader set of data to better understand whether any correlation exists.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/...190612_web.pdf

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/europe...taught-white-girls-cheap-5.html#ixzz2TeqBhjUG

This statement clears the ambiguity on 28% Asian offenders.
 
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This statement clears the ambiguity on 28% Asian offenders.

Only to the mathematically challenged. Where does the CEOP report claim the 28% figure?

And the report starts out by acknowledging that the sampling was skewed.
 
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Only to the mathematically challenged. Where does the CEOP report claim the 28% figure?

Sorry to hear about that.

in relation to ethnicity, the data was often recorded to a particularly poor standard at the point of capture. ‘Ethnicity’ was
often conflated with ‘nationality’ and neither factor captured according to a conventional or standardised classification
scheme. Within the available dataset there was a significant difference between the groups. For groups one and two
combined, the ethnicity of 38% of the offenders was unknown, 30% were white, 28% asian, 3% Black and 0.16% Chinese. When only group one was analysed, the offenders were found to be 38% white, 32% unknown, 26% asian, 3% Black, and 0.2% Chinese.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment_executive_summary.pdf
 
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whites are interesting people, but in USA, though most are very nice and approachable, seem to treat asians like children, like they look down upon us, a little annoying...
 
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Thank you for posting this important thread, because the issues of religion and race tied to depravity and hate filled violence are most pertinent - Real Islam has played havoc wherever it has been welcomed, wherever it has been offered refuge - the larger story is almost total depravity of entire communities of what otherwise passes as confession, a depraved rooted in hatred of the larger communities that host them, and of an almost complete lack of morality and common human empathy.

How did so many Muslims end up involved in such activities? What ever happened to conceptions of manhood and manliness that these degenerated into such thought and behavior? Perhaps there are amongst us some who are uncomfortable with such questions, perhaps they should consider how much longer they would prefer to nurture such uncomfortableness while keeping themselves blind to human suffering in their own neighborhoods, towns and cities?

@muse, it would be disingenuous of me to claim that Islam specifically directs the faithful and go forth and prey on white children but I do feel there is a fundamental problem in how doctrinal Islam is understood currently that contributes to shaping Muslim perceptions in a manner that fosters intolerance, misogyny and contempt for the infidel. Although this does not automatically cause individuals to engage in violence or criminal activity, those who are criminally inclined could regard it as divine justification for their behaviour and,more importantly, it also encourages the wider Muslim community to ignore atrocities committed by the criminal minority among them.

I see the current crisis in the Muslim world and the fraught relationship between Islam and the West, which occasionally manifests through acts of terror against each other as well as criminal activity that clearly illustrate the contempt with which many Muslims regard non believers, as the direct consequence of the continuing ambiguity about Islam's place within the faithful's personal and public space. The West, no doubt informed by its own views on faith and its role in an individual's life in a secular tradition, continues to regard Islam as a religion i.e. a personal relationship between a Muslim and Allah whereas Muslims are encouraged by their clergy to treat Islam as a 'complete system' which governs every aspect of their life and determines their relationships with wider society.

I feel early Islam, despite its absolutist doctrine, was more tolerant of syncretic versions of the faith that emerged in its domain, for instance Sufism, since it was expanding from a position of strength, militarily, spiritually and scientifically and had this trend continued, one would have expected mainstream Islam to develop a more secular world view in due course.

For various real and imagined reasons contemporary Muslim society views itself as being under perpetual threat and the 'second coming' of Islam, fuelled by demographic explosion, petro dollars and the Faustian pact between the House of Saud and the Wahabbis has seen it challenging the West from a position of ideological weakness, leading to the ascendancy of the literalists and the consequent rise of bigotry, racism and misogyny across the Muslim world. Needless to say this has played into the hands of the Saudis who feel promoting their brand of the faith, essentially a form of Arab imperialism, would create a global Islamic identity that closely resembles the Saudi model of Islam and cast the kingdom as a 'model Islamic state', thereby burnishing their status as 'custodians of the faith' and further legitimising their oppressive regime.

Unfortunately literalists seem to be dominating the public discourse around Islam at present and as long as there aren't genuine attempts at introspection and reform from within, I expect racist and intolerant attitudes that eventually give rise to such crimes to continue gaining traction within Muslim societies.
 
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Many teens here dress talk and behave like slutts...due to the way they are brought up. Its normal to see a 14 year old on short skirts and suspenders....
But responsibility falls on adult men not to fall in the honey trap...
Its just wrong and shameful.
 
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Many teens here dress talk and behave like slutts...due to the way they are brought up. Its normal to see a 14 year old on short skirts and suspenders....
But responsibility falls on adult men not to fall in the honey trap...
Its just wrong and shameful.

Another misogynist out of the closet.:angry:
Your good girl/$lut dichotomy based of their external appearance is nothing more than the manifestation of a classic misogynistic mind.
 
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Muslims world wide will soon earn another stereotype of pedophilia and perversion after already earning the title of terrorists!
 
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Many teens here dress talk and behave like slutts...due to the way they are brought up. Its normal to see a 14 year old on short skirts and suspenders....
But responsibility falls on adult men not to fall in the honey trap...
Its just wrong and shameful.

So now..somehow its their fault? I'm appalled at the way you think. Just because a teenager wears a particular style of clothing or behave in a way that does not suit your, does not mean they want to have SE_X with you....
 
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Another misogynist out of the closet.:angry:

Go away...feminist....
For people like you ..women can prance around with their vagina n display....and all responsibility lies on men to not look towards them.
Your demands are unnatural..
Responsibility to keep civility lies on both genders.

So now..somehow its their fault? I'm appalled at the way you think. Just because a teenager wears a particular style of clothing or behave in a way that does not suit your, does not mean they want to have SE_X with you....

Its their parents fault...
Say for example a teenager shouts verbal abuse at you...unless you are an enuch you will be angry...
So yes we as humans are effected by other peoples behaviours...
Thats why its parents responsibility to teach their children not to behave in an intimidating way.
 
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