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Saudis are fighting a mirage with no end in sight. Iran is just exercising the supreme art of warfare.

Ooh now I know what strategy the Iraqis used against the U.S in 2003 :cheesy: Absolutely brilliant.

I wonder what this "jewel and highest purpose" of Ummah does in five star Paris hotels and up-society London clubs.

Sistani & Khoui billionaires from Khums says Shia مليارات السيستاني الخوئي - YouTube

Pay more khums please to your "not corrupted" Ayatollahs :dirol:
 
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Pakistan is a gift from west?? You really need a history check mate. When you claim something as outrageous as this, back it up with evidence e or be silent.

Secondly, pakistan is the only country that came into being on Islam as the basis of two nation theory, while all the rest were just nationalistic rhetoric whether Arab nationalism or turk or Malay etc.
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1. So where's the Pakistani War of Independence? If it wasnt for Louis Mountbatten who forced the Indian National Congress to accept the partition, there would be no Pakistan. Secondly, Pakistan had the British king (and then Queen) as it's head of state for nearly 9 years after independence! No other Muslim country had to experience this so please dont kid yourself.

2. Pakistan was no Islamic state. It was completely secular until the 1970s when General Zia ul-Haq introduced a little bit of Islamic law. The only nation that was founded mostly on the basis of Islam is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
 
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Interestingly the terrain of saudi-yemen border areas are mountainous like of northern areas or in FATA. The saudi took casualties in 2009 because of such difficult terrain. What I think, why Saudi is persistent in Pakistani boots on the ground is due to challenging terrain in which PA has extensive experience. Would 12 NLI be put on the ground or the unit who gained experience braving mountains of Bajaur, khyber,Orakzai or S.Wazristan would be put remain to be seen

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Saudi dilemma: How to spot potential terrorist amid tide of human misery
By Nic Robertson, CNN



Updated 1430 GMT (2230 HKT) February 3, 2015

Jizan, Saudi Arabia (CNN)Driving out of the sleepy Saudi seaside town of Jizan at dawn, I had no idea what to expect.

I'd been asking the Saudi Interior Ministry to take me there for several years. Now I was in the desert kingdom covering King Salman bin Abdulaziz's ascent to the throne, and that permission had finally come through.

In the past few weeks, Houthi rebels have taken control of Yemen's capital, pushing the country ever closer to "failed state" status and giving the al Qaeda franchise there -- al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP -- a greater foothold.

The Saudi minister of interior, now second-in-line to the throne, has a personal stake in seeing AQAP eradicated. The terror group's top bomb-maker put a sophisticated bomb in his own brother's rectum, exploding it when the brother met the leading royal a few years ago. The brother died, the minister was only lightly injured.



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The mountains on the Saudi-Yemeni border are beautiful -- but difficult to patrol.
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The men crowded inside the mesh cage welded to a pickup truck told us they had come to Saudi Arabia for work. One of them was just 11 years old.
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This man was detained trying to cross the mountainous border from Yemen into Saudi Arabia.
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Several tons of qat lie piled up outside a guard post -- the haul of the past week, or so we were told.




This is the same bomb-maker who made the underpants bomb that came close to bringing down an airliner over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009. Despite extensive drone campaigns targeting him, he is believed to still be alive and remains a significant global threat.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind here that al Qaeda in Yemen will use any chance it gets to export terror over the border to their northern neighbor, with the royal family being the targets of choice.

Col. Omar al Kahtani, our escort for the day, was in a voluble mood as we sped toward the looming mountains that mark the border. "Anything could happen," he told us. "Be ready with your camera." Gun battles are rare on this border, he said, but only three weeks earlier, on Saudi's northern frontier, ISIS fighters broke through the defenses, killing three Saudi soldiers, including their commander.

The gun battle, footage of which was posted on the Internet, was a salutary reminder that the desert kingdom, the West's biggest regional partner in fighting the terror groups, is surrounded by battle-hardened enemies.

This corner of the country is remarkably green. Relatively lush vegetation -- in Saudi terms, at least -- sprouts in profusion from the semi-arid fields.

As our four-wheel-drive truck swung through the rickety metal gate, marking the edge of the border exclusion zone, we got our first taste of what has mostly been a hidden war down here.

A sprawling Saudi village of large ornate villas came into view. Pretty, until we got close, when we realized the buildings were all shot up. Rockets had torn gaping holes in the walls and gardens were overgrown with spindly tentacles of creepers that slowly consumed the once-vibrant homes.

Our host explained this was a village overrun by Houthi rebels from Yemen six years ago. In a three-week battle, Saudi Apache gunships had nearly destroyed the hamlet in the battle to save it. The government moved the residents away, creating a buffer between them and their fractious neighbor.

As we drive on, he tells us Yemen's security is worsening and Saudi Arabia is spending almost $3 billion on beefing up border security. Our trucks are bumping and slipping their way up the newly cut rough rock tracks. At moments, it feels as if we are almost climbing vertically.

These mountains are as rugged and rough as they are beautiful. Villages cling precariously to their higher reaches. No fence reaches up this far, the tiny smattering of guards solidifies the impression that at these altitudes, border control works on an honor system.

No line on a map will stop these mountain men from rounding up their stray goats. Even from the roadside I can see tiny footpaths crisscrossing the steep terrain from Yemen to Saudi and back.



Massive drugs haul


In the foothills, control is much more effective. Watch towers are equipped with thermal imaging equipment, super zoom cameras watching over mile upon mile, and layer upon layer of razor wire. It needs to be like this.

What we saw was staggering. I had no idea so many people and such a massive amount of drugs are moving over the border every day.

At our first stop, we saw two men captured that day. We saw another one caught soon after. Then a whole vanload, about a dozen people crowded inside a mesh cage welded to a pickup truck. One of them was just 11 years old.

They all told us they had come to Saudi for work. The 11-year-old was earning about $100 a month on a supermarket till in Jizan. All told the same story: about poverty and increasing chaos in Yemen and the Houthis getting stronger. The risk of jail in Saudi, they said, was better than the certainty of poverty in Yemen.

Our government escort told us they'd all be sent to the nearest large police station where they would be fingerprinted and officials would check their records to make sure none had ties to terrorism.

The men -- and they were all men -- admitted that sneaking over the border is getting much harder amid the increase in guard posts and border fences.

Border guards told us in the past three months alone, they have picked up 42,000 people along the 800-kilometer (about 500 miles) border.

Of course we are unable to verify that figure, but if the volume of illegal migrants we saw in the morning was shocking, then the afternoon was mind-blowing.

We were taken to a room where three children were standing with bundles of qat, the narcotic shrub that most Yemenis chew every day, at their feet.

The youngest, a 10-year-old, told me drug barons pay him $50 for hauling 10-kilos (about 22 lbs) of the green leaves over the border. It's the second time he has been caught.

I was told that the boy, who had been given a banana and a bottle of water by the guards, would be taken back to the border and told to return home. All three looked small for their age. No one, particularly them, doubted they would be back.



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Unemployment among younger people is running at 40% in Yemen, likely higher in their villages. Putting food on the table at the end of the day is as far ahead as they think.

Between them, they had been caught with about 30 kilos of the narcotic. Piled up outside the guard post were several tons more -- the haul of the past week, or so we were told. I'd seen similar piles outside many of the other posts we'd already visited.

According to statistics given to us at the Jizan headquarters of the border guards, qat is a multi-million-dollar business. In the last three months, they say, they have seized more than 500,000 tons along the border, with a street value close to $100 million.

They also showed us 50 kg of cannabis resin they had confiscated that day. Over the past three months, more than 6,000 kg of hashish -- with a street value in Saudi of about $36 million -- had been seized, we were told.

Guns and ammunition are also smuggled in: 2,562 weapons have been seized in the past three months, as well as 380,088 rounds of ammunition, the border guards said. And the list goes on.

And so did our day and the near-continual stream of infiltrators. The problem for the Saudis is that they cannot ignore this deluge. Any one of the thousands they stop could be a terrorist.

Said Kouachi, one of the Charlie Hebdo attackers in Paris, is believed to have slipped in to Yemen not far from Saudi's border, making his way there for terror training from Oman. The attack he and his brother carried out also shows the lengths that AQAP is willing to go to in order to export terror.

Hajj pilgrimages to Islam's two holiest sites, Mecca and Medina, draw millions of Muslims to the kingdom. Knowing who comes and who goes is vital.

As the sun began to set, we jumped in police gun trucks as another group of men were spotted near the razor wire border fence. Tearing over the bumpy ground, we raced to intercept them. Surprisingly, they didn't run. They know they'll be freed soon, and from what we saw none of the six were beaten or abused.

Within minutes, as we were driving away, the sun sinking over the horizon and our day done, we thought we passed another eight men being caught. We stopped as police emptied the men's pockets. Cheap cellphones, not much else. They were illegal workers on their way back to homes in Yemen after weeks of work in Saudi, their wages already sent over the border by local money exchangers.

It was already darkening as we pulled away, once again trying to set off back to Jizan. And yet again, we stopped as we saw a group of guards searching two small figures. More child qat smugglers, rope and sack bags on their backs bulging with the big wraps that protect the delicate green leaves. Each boy carrying bundles with the drug baron's name on them.

Later, when we finally did get back to Jizan, we ate dinner sitting on rugs next to the Red Sea: fish, meat, salads, bread and Saudi "champagne," non-alcoholic fizzy grape juice.

This is a land of plenty, Yemen is not. Stanching the human tide flowing over the border is only going to get more difficult, and finding the terrorist hiding in so much human misery even harder.

Victoria Eastwood and Brad Olson contributed to this report.

You are right about the border area between Yemen and Saudi being mountainous and quite difficult.

But I do not think NLI units of Pakistan will be effective there.

For the reason that these units of Pakistan have alot of Ismaili and 12er Shias who have most sympathies with local population of Yemeni Zaidis and Saudi Ismailis and quite at odds with Saudi policies and Takfirism. In fact one reason, Pakistan has been using such units against Takfiri forces inside Pakistan, is because the high command does not have to worry about soldier's loyalty and dedication to war when the other side is also shouting AllahuAkbar. As per General Timazi's book, Profiles of Intellgence, Pakistan even did not dare to post Shia diplomats in Saudi Arabia for the fear of angering Saudis, so I do not think Saudis would be very happy if you try to move units there which have alot of Shia components in them. For such a task, may I recommend to you, some units like the ones commanded by Brig. Ziaulhaq in Jordan who was extremely successful in mincing Palestinians into absolute submission. There was never to be another Palestinian uprising in Jordan.

Please remain advised though, that the Zaidis are a much harder nut to crack. They are the only Arabs who were never subjugated and colonized. Whether by Ottomans, by British or by anyone else. They have lived free for too long to be put into cage. Specially into a Saudi cage. Palestinians by comparison were extra-ripe plum.
 
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operation whatever i don't care but i only need pakistan stay away from this operation
 
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1. So where's the Pakistani War of Independence? If it wasnt for Louis Mountbatten who forced the Indian National Congress to accept the partition, there would be no Pakistan. Secondly, Pakistan had the British king (and then Queen) as it's head of state for nearly 9 years after independence! No other Muslim country had to experience this so please dont kid yourself.

2. Pakistan was no Islamic state. It was completely secular until the 1970s when General Zia ul-Haq introduced a little bit of Islamic law. The only nation that was founded mostly on the basis of Islam is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Well i know this may sound foreign to a Sudanese but a struggle for independence always doesn't involve hacking people to death
Both Hindus and Muslims of the Indian sub-continent tried to do that in 1857 but were crushed by the British
Pakistan's struggle for independence involved engaging the Muslims of sub-continent and putting people pressure on the British through public gatherings and demonstrations
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It also meant setting independence/separation an agenda for elections and comprehensively winning them
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Zia Ul Haq took over Pakistan in 1979
Pakistan had a constitution that declared it an Islamic Republic in 1973
Plus an objective resolution in1948 declaring an intention to set-up an Islamic State in 1948
So stop with your blabbering particularly when you have no idea about our country and our people
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As this is a Yemen related thread no more off topic posts from me

operation whatever i don't care but i only need pakistan stay away from this operation
Imran bhai but the Holy cities are under threat from the big bad Houthi rebels :o:
 
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I hope that this fighting will end soon, that the civilians who have been torn from their homes are returned as soon as possible. I hope that a popular government be elected soon in Yemen, and most of all that a ground invasion into Yemen be not observed. There have been enough wars in the region , all for the sake of religious austerity. Syria should be a lesson for all.

There have been enough civil wars and fighting.
 
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This picture has changed in terms of Yemen... Saudi has come directly into the conflict leaving proxies to a side..... While Iran can not deploy its airforce or navy Saudi and the other GCC countries have done that... A clear change in plans... with boots on ground being trained by Pakistani instructors as we speak things will change...
Till now the air strikes have targeted air bases, military bases, and missile silos with heavy artillery now being targeted


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we are Islamic Republic from 1956, if i am not wrong..
no we were not hell before we wear dress of hell . its all started at bhutto times and zia fueled it and now results are infront of you . islamic state means blood tears fire and hell of living .
 
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not our problem . for me islamabad is more holy then any other city

Absolutely right. Pakistan should be concerned about fostering internal development , and the needs of the over 180 million precious Pakistani lives that live in her borders. Pakistan shares a border with Iran, a fellow Islamic Republic, and thus, should not engage itself on any unnecessary external affairs matters , for the sake of preventing a greater praxis of this conflict. Pakistan is doing a wonderful job in battling terrorists on its borders, and must continue to foster better relations with not only Afghanistan , but also Iran, two nations whom share a border with Pakistan. Two nations whom have cultural and religious links with Pakistan.

It is best that Pakistan not involve itself in any proxy wars including two states in the wider Middle East.

Let us pray for this to be realized. Lastly, let us hope for a swift return to stability in Yemen. Amin.
 
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no we were not hell before we wear dress of hell . its all started at bhutto times and zia fueled it and now results are infront of you . islamic state means blood tears fire and hell of living .


bro i am Talking about when we adopted Islamic republic Title... and it was adopted on 23 March 1956.
 
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