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[jamahir]

I can`t help notice that you are obsessed with independent OS & new instruction sets/CPU.

Maybe because it is like someone once asked George Mallory why he wanted to climb the Everest and got the reply "Because it's there". I think I get a kick out of it.

I understand these are important for certain kind of industries like defense, nuclear energy & industries of that kind

Which is why the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology put forth a program called India Microprocessor Program about a decade ago calling for an indigenously design processor. The MeitY supported two such projects - one at IIT-Bombay ( project AJIT ) and the other at IIT-Madras ( project Shakti ) but both the designs are foreign.

and it requires massive industrial level effort and support from govt. currently we are not capable of.

One PDF member ( whose name I don't remember ) had made a post to the effect that some years ago TATA made a safe investment of 10 billion dollars to acquire a steel plant in Britain when they could have made a "risky" but cheaper and strategically better investment to set up a microprocessor fabrication plant in India - something on the order of three to five billion.

In recent years two Indian-led groups approached the GoI saying that they would set up fabs in India - one named Jaypee and the other being HSMC. The latter even did a ground breaking ceremony in Gujarat. Alas, nothing came out these two groups.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Opt for ERP system. There are many ERP system which seems intimidating (at times they're), however, this is something not every second person is doing. Therefore, in my book, its totally worth it to do investment on ERP and many renowned corporate houses have implemented ERP system even in Pakistan.

Writing bespoke software and specialising in implementation are two different professions.

 

[Chandrguptaa]

When I got out from my IT learnings from NIIT the underlined was called "Real time projects", pay something like 5000 rupees or more to do some module of some vaguely set up project so as to get an experience certificate.

By the way, what is it about the non-White races that they have not been able to design the two fundamental things in computing, namely the microprocessor and the operating system ? When a civil engineer or architect is expected to be able to build or design a house or office or public space I don't see why a computer engineer should not be able to design a microprocessor and OS. Even the massively-resourced Chinese don't have these two of their own.

I have been designing a processor for some years. Also, one Pakistani PDF member has taken the initiative of creating a team to design a Pakistani OS. This is the FB page.

A Brown Man is called father of Pentium, A DCE Graduate Vinod.
Optical Fibre cable which is used for 2G,3G,4G & 5G was developed by a Brown Indian.
Even Whole concept of Algorithm is based on Indian calculus & Algebra.
From USB to Email everything was developed by a Brown Man.
Even original concept of facebook was developed by an Brown Indian Kid.
Ibm thanked India in it's first commercial for their contribution in computing tech.
Cofounder of YT was a Bengali & Cofounder of worlds two biggest Online education Companies Byjus & Udemy are Indians.

 

[Joe Shearer]

In recent years two Indian-led groups approached the GoI saying that they would set up fabs in India - one named Jaypee and the other being HSMC.

Jaypee?

Setting up a fab?

Sure, sure, would you like to sit down, some nice men in white coats will come and help you soon.

Even Whole concept of Algorithm is based on Indian calculus & Algebra.

Stop bullshitting.

A Brown Man is called father of Pentium, A DCE Graduate Vinod.
Optical Fibre cable which is used for 2G,3G,4G & 5G was developed by a Brown Indian.
Even Whole concept of Algorithm is based on Indian calculus & Algebra.
From USB to Email everything was developed by a Brown Man.
Even original concept of facebook was developed by an Brown Indian Kid.
Ibm thanked India in it's first commercial for their contribution in computing tech.
Cofounder of YT was a Bengali & Cofounder of worlds two biggest Online education Companies Byjus & Udemy are Indians.

This sort of we-invented-the-Internet-in-the-Vedic-age kind of baloney irritates me.

 

[xeuss]

Jaypee?

Setting up a fab?

Sure, sure, would you like to sit down, some nice men in white coats will come and help you soon.

I think you should take that back. Jaypee was in talks to set up a microprocessor plant in India, in partnership with IBM in 2013

 

[BL33D]

You don't know what you are talking about.

I have been in IT from 1985 onwards, from 1995 at GM level or higher. I have employed through my IT career about 15,000 people (not at a time, but in all). For four years after that, I crossed over and tried to correct things at the teaching end.

The problem is 20 times, a 100 times worse than you can imagine.



It is a cruelly exploitative system, where people's parents mortgage or sell their real estate to give their children a grounding, and at the end of four years, or five years, their son or daughter goes from door to door, paying out even more money to vultures who call themselves HR consultants, trying to get a break. They don't get that break.

If you look at the figures for graduates from these shit colleges and institutions (not the IITs) and the final proportion who get employed, you would weep. As a human being, watching this sordid drama is the cruelest punishment that can be suffered.



I should mention that I employed (a handful) of Pakistani kids as well, and found them just as good - in the same proportions as Indian kids. Not much difference, except that they were very cagey and withdrawn at the beginning, wondering how an Indian employer would treat them. When they thawed out, they were just the same, except for a few insisting on time off for prayers.

Only around 20% of our engineering graduates can code within a reasonable level. There has been a lot of articles on this. Many are because of the huge gap in curriculum and entry level industry expectations. The IT industry has to be more active in moulding students early to their needs by providing adequate feedback and resources. Our curriculum isnt keeping pace.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think you should take that back. Jaypee was in talks to set up a microprocessor plant in India, in partnership with IBM in 2013

I was reacting to Jaypee having the industrial stamina to do this. That plant got nowhere, because Jaypee had none of the skills needed and would have had to hire everyone from chief cook to bottlewasher for that project.

In my experience, putting people together doesn't create a team.

 

[xeuss]

I was reacting to Jaypee having the industrial stamina to do this. That plant got nowhere, because Jaypee had none of the skills needed and would have had to hire everyone from chief cook to bottlewasher for that project.

In my experience, putting people together doesn't create a team.

Dammit. My one moment to upend Joe has been dashed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The IT industry has to be more active in moulding students early to their needs by providing adequate feedback and resources. Our curriculum isnt keeping pace.

I tried.

Those sons-a-bitches would talk their heads off, but would not get down to brass tacks. They couldn't spare one hour for converging industry practice and academic teaching.

Dammit. My one moment to upend Joe has been dashed.

you did it, I was lip-syncing.

 

[jamahir]

A Brown Man is called father of Pentium, A DCE Graduate Vinod.

Then logically speaking, Vinod Dham should come down to India and contribute majorly to creating an Indian microprocessor.

I think you should take that back. Jaypee was in talks to set up a microprocessor plant in India, in partnership with IBM in 2013

I was reacting to Jaypee having the industrial stamina to do this. That plant got nowhere, because Jaypee had none of the skills needed and would have had to hire everyone from chief cook to bottlewasher for that project.

The fab plant skills were supposed to come from associating with an Israeli company called Tower Jazz ( now called Tower Semiconductor ).

 

[313ghazi]

I tried.

Those sons-a-bitches would talk their heads off, but would not get down to brass tacks. They couldn't spare one hour for converging industry practice and academic teaching.

It's so archaic. I worked in the University sector in the UK and some of the more established ones were also stuck in their ways. The less established universities were much more open to this sort of stuff and have become market leaders in graduate employment and student satisfaction scores.

 

[BL33D]

I tried.

Those sons-a-bitches would talk their heads off, but would not get down to brass tacks. They couldn't spare one hour for converging industry practice and academic teaching.

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Are you hopeful of the New Education policy to be announced.

 

[xeuss]

I think we have turned this thread into India's IT sector and its problems. Let's stick to the topic. Perhaps offer Pakistanis some lessons on where India went wrong?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think we have turned this thread into India's IT sector and its problems. Let's stick to the topic. Perhaps offer Pakistanis some lessons on where India went wrong?

Thanks.

 

[Vapnope]

@Joe Shearer thank you for sharing your valuable experience.
As you mentioned in one of your posts that you hired Pakistani IT professionals, would you pls share your experience what do you think Pakistanis lack when they work in a group? And i specifically mean corporate culture-wise and their Organizational behavior. Thanks in advance.