On Arab indifference toward the Peshawar massacre

[Pakistani patriot]

Fact is the entire Muslim World is suffering from a problem of ghuluw in the religion and political chaos, which is a legacy of a few factors: colonialism, failure to respond to or assimilate into the Eurocentric modern world, many incompetent and corrupt regimes, and a general ignorance, poverty and susceptibility to bad ideas in our ranks.

God help our generation with the challenge.

Couldn't agree more.

Fact of the matter is that we are all in this together. This thread perpetuates some wrong and non-factual ideas. Btw this was posted in an Arab paper.
When the article talks about Arab indifference it doesn't mention if this is indifference shown by the masses or the mass-media. That's the main point that should have been discussed but instead the convo ended up in different direction.

 

[Frogman]

But we have proof otherwise. Now stop with this bullshit. A little factoid, in 1980's we recovered so much explosives in Libyan embassy (Islamabad) that you could destroy 10 cities in a heartbeat. This was just for you info.

In the 1980s Gaddafi was sponsoring terrorist attacks and proxies against Egypt. Just a little factoid.

Those individuals happen to be millionaires and billionaires in saudi and UAE and it's not that they are donating to such extremist groups in Pakistan in 2013 only. It's been happening since 2010 (officially, unofficially it might be happening before 2010 as well). Are Saudi and UAE governments so inept they can't monitor and prevent such "individuals" from donating these groups in 4 or so year time frame ? Or every individual in these countries are millionaires and billionaires, hence government can't control rich people !

Whatever measures SA took, it clearly failed to yield results and funding to extremist group continue uninterrupted Now you understand our anguish, when we bitterly criticize the source of funding that originates from SA and like minded arab countries and they turn blind eye to such individuals or their activities when they land in Arab countries . We don't indulge in conspiracy theories. These are proven facts !

OK, so you're capable of pointing out the failures of other nations in fighting extremism and its financiers. So why would you have a problem accepting that the Pakistani state is also to blame for the current situation as a result of policies spanning a couple of decades?

Again, we must accept our failures, and we must also accept that we produce our own domestic enemies, and that pretending that we our powerless against these domestic threats and their supporters only perpetuates the problem.

All Pakistanis should make a mental note of this. These things have tangible value in diplomatic arenas. The argument about Pakistani media not covering conflicts in the Arab world us utter bullshit. There was a Pakistani journalist captured by Israelis during Marvi Marmara episode, Pakistani journalists covered entire egyptian saga. And we on this forum have been discussing Syria, Yamen, Iraq and ISIS.

So, the coverage is pretty much equal.

 

[Kompromat]

@Horus
Your people are still crying it seems!

Yes. The tide of blind and unpragmatic pro Arabism is ending in Pakistan. This is just one of the few reality checks our fundamentalists need to understand Pakistans 'real' capital in the Arab world. The journey from bullshit to pragmatism is always painful, hence the 'crying' bit.

 

[SipahSalar]

All Pakistanis should make a mental note of this. These things have tangible value in diplomatic arenas. The argument about Pakistani media not covering conflicts in the Arab world us utter bullshit.

You misinterpreted it. The point that article is trying to make is that the lack of interest and indifference shown by Middle Eastern Media is a fair reflection of the attitude of the Arabs themselves towards the tragedy.

 

[JUBA]

Yes. The tide of blind and un pragmatic pro Arabism is ending in Pakistan.

If all Pakistanis have the same mentality as the ones crying here and blaming everything on Arabs "for not condemning fast enough" then i couldn't care less.

 

[Pakistani patriot]

You misinterpreted it. The point that article is trying to make is that the lack of interest and indifference shown by Middle Eastern Media is a fair reflection of the attitude of the Arabs themselves towards the tragedy.

Media makes public opinion. It's the media that didn't give it coverage is what the article is saying.

 

[Bratva]

In the 1980s Gaddafi was sponsoring terrorist attacks and proxies against Egypt. Just a little factoid.


OK, so you're capable of pointing out the failures of other nations in fighting extremism and its financiers. So why would you have a problem accepting that the Pakistani state is also to blame for the current situation as a result of policies spanning a couple of decades?

Again, we must accept our failures, and we must also accept that we produce our own domestic enemies, and that pretending that we our powerless against these domestic threats and their supporters only perpetuates the problem.



So, the coverage is pretty much equal.

Errr, I suppose you missed out a part where Government of Pakistan declared Internal extremism and terrorism the enemy No.1 of Pakistan We don't shy away from accepting our problems. We admitted long ago they are our enemy, or else why would our Army be fighting such extremist groups for past 10 years if we People of Pakistan think problem does not lie within us? I don't know why you hold a perception we don't accept our faults and problems

But let me show you other side of mirror/coin. If Saudi Arabia and like minded arab states stop funding extremist groups in Syria, Would they able to survive own their own or they would be crushed easily by Syrian army?

That's what we Pakistani members be crying about for a week, if such funding ceases, we will permanently crush them. They continue to exist, because of the monetary support they able to get and in a third world country, you can buy anything if you got enough buks.

 

[Cheetah786]

If all Pakistanis have the same mentality as the ones crying here and blaming everything on Arabs "for not condemning fast enough" then i couldn't care less.

Oh piss off already!

Media makes public opinion. It's the media that didn't give it coverage is what the article is saying.

Do, you have even an ounce of self respect. If you do STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[al-Hasani]

Errr, I suppose you missed out a part where Government of Pakistan declared Internal extremism and terrorism the enemy No.1 of Pakistan last year. We don't shy away from our problem. We admitted long ago they are our enemy, or else why would our Army would be fighting such extremist for past 10 years if we People of Pakistan considers problem does not lie within us? I don't know why you hold a perception we don't accept our faults and problems

But let me show you other side fo mirror/coin. If Saudi Arabia and like minded arab states stop funding extremist groups in Syria, Would they able to survive own their own or they would be crushed easily by Syrian army?

That's what we Pakistani members be crying about for a week, if such funding ceases, we will permanently crush them. They continue to exist, because of the monetary support they able to get and in a third world country, you can buy anything if you got enough buks.

Most of the 500 million or so Arabs have no idea about any terrorist groups in Pakistan outside Taliban.

Nor can KSA or the GCC monitor their borders constantly. For instance we have hundred of thousands of illegal migrants from South Asia and elsewhere.

I can easily find CIA cables that show Pakistani support for terrorism, Taliban etc. What has that got to do with the average Pakistan? Nothing. Nobody in the GCC elected their leaders unlike your people.

Besides we are talking about a small minority of donors. In the past regular donors thought that they were donating to humanitarian causes across the world while they in reality were fooled by criminals.

This has by large stopped now.

There is no funding for any "extremists" in Syria from the state. We stand with our Syrian brothers and sisters and support the legitimate Syrian opposition in their struggle against the mass-murderer Al-Assad. If some non-Arabs consider that terrorism then I could not care less.

 

[ozzy22]

I think people need to remember that thousands of people are killed weekly in the Middle East in various conflicts. This has more to do being desensitized to these actions rather than anything else and if they don’t care that is something we can’t really do anything about. Let’s just focus on dealing with this problem rather than worrying about if Arabs care or not.

 

[SipahSalar]

Turkey declared a day of national mourning and ordered flags to be lowered to half-mast today to stand in solidarity with Pakistan after the terrorist attack in Peshawar.

Thank you Turkey for being their, when we needed you.

Turkey is an exemplary nation. They are not afraid to speak their mind and have been trying their best to help solve middle east's problems.

If all Pakistanis have the same mentality as the ones crying here and blaming everything on Arabs "for not condemning fast enough" then i couldn't care less.

We couldn't care less about whether or not anyone condemned it. The point is that the Arabs seem to be oblivious to what's going on around the world or even their neighbourhood. It seems they couldn't care less when you are a Saudi in Audi.

 

[Pakistani patriot]

Do, you have even an ounce of self respect. If you do STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you even talking about?
Pointing out some facts here buddy. There's millions upon millions of Arabs and no two think alike.
Media might have not shown the thing in this case.
Btw it seems that you have some axe to grind here. Provide points if you want to debate or go away

 

[SipahSalar]

Nor can KSA or the GCC monitor their borders constantly. For instance we have hundred of thousands of illegal migrants from South Asia and elsewhere.

Who is providing training to Rebels in Syria? Are the rebels illegal immigrants Arabs don't know about?

This has more to do being desensitized to these actions rather than anything else and if they don’t care that is something we can’t really do anything about. Let’s just focus on dealing with this problem rather than worrying about if Arabs care or not.

That's no justification. No nation has suffered more than Pakistan due to terrorism. We have been under attack since 2004. You don't see us becoming numb? Whenever any perceived threat to Islam occurs anywhere in the world you see our people come out in the street and burn our own stuff like idiots. They don't seem to be desensitized at all.

 

[Cheetah786]

What are you even talking about?
Pointing out some facts here buddy. There's millions upon millions of Arabs and no two think alike.
Media might have not shown the thing in this case.
Btw it seems that you have some axe to grind here. Provide points if you want to debate or go away

 

[al-Hasani]

We couldn't care less about whether or not anyone condemned it. The point is that the Arabs seem to be oblivious to what's going on around the world or even their neighbourhood. It seems they couldn't care less when you are a Saudi in Audi.

It seems that you care a hell lot. More than you care about the millions of non-Arab Muslims relative silence. Do you care about the 100 million Nigerian Muslims and their opinions about this massacre? It seems not. What about Uzbekistan? Kazakhstan? Indonesia? List is long.

When did your people or Pakistan condemn the thousands of similar horrible incidents in the various Arab states that @Frogman correctly mentioned? Nobody has been able to counter that because it is truth.

All Arab govenremnts, the GCC and OIC condemned this massacre. What the hell do you want more?

We got plenty of our own grievances and challenges to look after first and correct before we can find the energy to save the entire world.

That's your nonsense claim. Millions of us Arabs are deeply involved in the tragic events of our dear region (currently) just like we care about other issues in this world whether in Pakistan or Nigeria.

Speak for yourself and don't write bullshit here. Might work for your little public here.

The Arab people are not responsible for your miseries or that of other countries be they Bangladesh, Somalia or Congo. Understand this.

Now stop bothering me. Enough of this nonsense.