Featured Official: Pakistan spends more on defunct state enterprises than it does on defense annually

[Falcon26]

Bloody incompetent lusty paindoo has devoured these enterprises. While the cream of our country is swept away by rich white nations.

Not to mess up your blood pressure, but check this out lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1332599664915468288

Imagine this guy leading Pakistan. If he ever becomes PM, it will be the first job he’s ever held. A nuclear armed country of almost 230 million led by a novice who’s only claim to power is his bloodline.

Same with the PML.

India has ended the Congress Party and the Gandhi dynasty. Let’s hope pakistan doesn’t the same.

So basically, what you're saying is that we should spend more on military than we spend on all of the national enterprises combined?

Read your comparison again, but slowly.

This is your takeaway from the post?

Read what I wrote and tell me how anyone could come to the conclusion that you have reached.

 

[Enigma SIG]

State run enterprises are the gift of PPP's love with socialism. It doesn't work; China found out the hard way and has gone full capitalist. These enterprises only exist for vote bank politics and leeching state money. Private enterprises can do a lot better. Check SpaceX vs NASA.

 

[El Sidd]

Government can still run these on profit. The question is what share should the public get as most if not all are tax rebels.

 

[Imran Khan]

پاکستان اسٹیل ملز کے برطرف ملازمین کا نیشنل ہائی وے پر احتجاج

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پاکستان اسٹیل ملز کے برخاست کیے گئے سیکڑوں ملازمین نے نیشنل ہائی وے احتجاجاً بلاک کردی جبکہ مبینہ طور پر ایک کارکن صدمے سے ہلاک ہوگیا۔
ملازمین نے اسٹیل ٹاؤن چورنگی بلاک کردی اور اس دوران پییلز پارٹی اور تحریک انصاف کے مقامی ورکرز بھی احتجاج میں شریک ہوگئے۔
مزید پڑھیں: اسٹیل ملز ملازمین کے بجائے عمران خان کو برطرف ہونا چاہیے، بلاول بھٹو زرداری
مظاہرین نے حکومتی اقدام کو ’معاشی قتل‘ قرار دیا اور مطالبہ کیا کہ فوری طور پر ملازمین کی بحالی کی جائے۔

احتجاجی شرکا نے کہا کہ اگر ملازمین کو بحال نہیں کیا گیا تو پیر کے روز سخت اقدام اٹھانے پر مجبور ہوجائیں گے۔
منتظمین کے مطابق انہوں نے شام کے وقت کئی گھنٹوں پر مشتمل دھرنا ختم کیا۔
ان کا کہنا تھا کہ وہ اتوار کے روز ملازمین کے حق میں احتجاج سے متعلق حکمت عملی تیار کریں گے۔
اس موقع پر مظاہرین نے میڈیا کو وہ خطوط بھی دکھائے جن میں انہیں برطرف کرنے کے احکامات درج تھے۔
مظاہرین کا کہنا تھا کہ ایک ملازم حبیب اللہ صدمے سے فوت ہوگیا۔
یہ بھی پڑھیں: اسٹیل ملز کے مسئلے پر وہ لوگ سیاست کررہے ہیں جنہوں نے اسے ڈبویا، حماد اظہر
انہوں نے کہا کہ برخاست کیے جانے کا نوٹس ملنے پر حبیب اللہ کو دل کا دورہ پڑا تھا۔
ان کا کہنا تھا کہ ہزاروں ملازمین کو کسی بھی واجبات کی ادائیگی کے بغیر برخاست کردیا گیا ہے۔
مرکزی شاہراہ بلاک ہونے پر پولیس اور رینجرز کی نفری موقع پر پہنچی اور مظاہرین سے شاہراہ خالی کرنے کو کہا، لیکن احتجاجی شرکا نے منشتر ہونے سے انکار کردیا۔
اس دوران ٹریفک مرکزی شاہراہ پر معطل رہی، بعد ازاں مظاہرین پرامن طور پر منتشر ہوگئے۔
واضح رہے کہ گزشتہ روز پاکستان اسٹیل ملز نے ڈی سی ایز ،منیجرز اور صحت عامہ سمیت مختلف شعبوں سے 4 ہزار 544 ملازمین کو برطرف کردیا تھا۔
پاکستان اسٹیل ملز کی ملازمت سے برطرفی کی زد میں آنے والے شعبوں میں ‘اساتذہ، لیکچرارز، اسکولوں اور کالجوں کا غیر تدریسی عملہ، ڈرائیورز، فائرمین، آپریٹرز، صحت عامہ اور سیکورٹی اسٹاف، چوکیدار، مالی، پیرا میڈیکل اسٹاف، باورچی، آفس اسٹاف، فنانس ڈائریکٹوریٹ کا عملہ، اے اینڈ پی ڈائریکٹوریٹ اور اے اینڈ پی ڈپارٹمنٹ شامل ہے’۔
مزید پڑھیں: کراچی: پاکستان اسٹیل ملز سے 4 ہزار 544 ملازمین برطرف
خیال رہے کہ گزشتہ ہفتے اقتصادی رابطہ کمیٹی (ای سی سی) کے اجلاس میں پاکستان اسٹیل ملز کے ملازمین کی تعداد میں کمی کا عمل شروع کرنے کے لیے 19 ارب 65 کروڑ 60 لاکھ روپے کی تکنیکی ضمنی گرانٹ کی منظوری دے دی گئی تھی۔
اس سے قبل جون میں وفاقی کابینہ نے اقتصادی رابطہ کمیٹی کے فیصلے کی توثیق کرتے ہوئے پاکستان اسٹیل ملز کے تمام ملازمین کو برطرف کرنے کی منظوری دے دی تھی لیکن اس معاملے پر شدید احتجاج کیا گیا تھا۔

 

[Salman876]

Nation is corrupt because of corrupt leadership, and we have a very powerful enemy, Pakistanis Star fighting against Pakistan very easily, that is why state continue to give salaries to employees of these institutions, otherwise india is there to offer more. Difficult situation for Pakistan.
Imagine india allocating 10 billion dollars annually to fund Pakistanis, to fight against Pakistan.

 

[عقاب]

People like to complain about how the government spends billions a year on defense, but hardly anyone talks about how much billions are wasted each year on defunct state owned enterprises. For example, the Pakistan Steel Mills retains 9k employees even though it has stopped operations in 2015. All these employees receive monthly salary from the government.

The same is happening with PIA and Pakistan Railways. Overwhelming majority of Pakistan’s state owned enterprises are in financial ruins.

Yet, rather than resolve this massive bottleneck which is plunging the country into deeper crisis, people often bark at convenient and politically charged issues such as the military budget, which is smaller than what Pakistan spends on these defunct enterprises.

Imagine how different Pakistan would be if it spend the >10-billion USD annually on education, healthcare, research and transportation for the past 5-years? Yet, these massive amounts were spent on nonfunctioning government enterprises.

Pakistan doesn’t have economic challenges, it has management problems.

Hammad, Bilawal in war of words over sacking of 4,500 PSM employees

PPP chairman says "sack Imran not workers,"; industries minister blames PPP govt for destroying Pakistan Steel Mills.

www.dawn.com

The state needs to get out of the business of running airline companies, steel Mills, trains etc. These are things the private sector can do in a much efficient and productive manner.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Trailer23 @JamD

I am not agreeing or disagreeing.
In other words now we are openly admitting that yes we are incompetent and fraud people and we shall never mend our ways.
So the last option which we have, shall now be exercised.
But whatever we do or wherever we go with this character, we can only make more failed organisations

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

All this because of stupid economic policies. We all saw how Faisalabad was replaced by Bangladesh during the last PPP-PMLN tenures. Current Abdul Hafeez Sheikh was working under PPP government too. Why didn't he have success? Because the government at the top was busy selling Pakistan in slices. Abdul Hafeez Sheikh has done stellar work uptil now under the PTI government.
Highlights of the key achievements by PTI-led Government. | Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

• Loans repaid by PTI govt in 22 months: RS 5000 Billion
• Amount borrowed from State Bank in 22 months: NIL
• Panagahs established by PTI govt in 22 months: 200+
• Rs 2 Billion allocated to transform PM house into a university.
• Effective diplomacy saved Pakistan from paying $1.2bn penalty in Karkey case
• Kartarpur corridor constructed and made operational within months.
• Modi exposed across the globe, Kashmir issues raised at international forums, India isolated.
• 10 billion tree Tsunami project praised across the globe and being replicated by other developed counties.
• Sehat Sahoolat card being provided to every family in KPK. Providing Insurance coverage worth 1 million per family annually.
• Rs 150 Billion+ distributed among the needy through the Ehsas Emergency Cash program.
• Funding provided for a number of DAM projects. Work on most has commenced and would be completed after PTI's tenure finishes. Because a leader thinks of the next generation. Not the next election.
• Government paying utility bills for small business in an attempt to shoulder some of their expenses in times of Covid19.
• Current account deficit reduced to $3 Billion from $20 Billion within 22 months.
• State Bank's reserves have increased from $9.7 Billion to $12.3 Billion in 22 months.
• 1.2 million families of Azad Kashmir to get Sehat Sahulat card with insurance coverage of Rs 1 million per family annually.
• Tax collection was increasing at a rate of 17% before Covid19 arrived. Hundreds of thousands of new filers had registered with the FBR.
• 7 million families will receive Sehat Sahulat Card in Punjab during the current year. 4.6 million families have already received it. All these families would have insurance coverage of Rs 1 million annually.
• After Covid19 arrived, Imran Khan was the first leader who raised voice for debt relief. He was mocked. People discussed his tracksuit for days. A few weeks later, Pakistan ended up securing $2.4 billion debt relief.
• "In Pakistan, the outlook has improved markedly since the 2018 general election victory of Imran Khan. In a short period, the country has seen notable improvements in business sentiment & macroeconomic policy-making." -Financial Times
• Covid19: Cases per million around the world: 1,275 Cases per million in Pakistan: 901 Deaths per million around the world: 68.3 Deaths per million in Pakistan: 18
• Discussed Kashmir's issue every time he met President Donald Trump leading to the US president repeatedly offering to act as a mediator between India & Pakistan in an attempt to solve the Kashmir crisis. Previous PM wouldn't even mention Kashmir.
• Thousands of poor Pakistanis locked up in prisons abroad were brought back to Pakistan thanks to PM Imran Khan's impressive diplomacy. GhareeboN ka Wazir e Azam.
• Pakistan secured Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) of $2.1 Billion in the first 9 months of the financial year 2019-2020. Highest in the last 11 years.
• In 22 months, the PTI government has constructed and revamped 1824 kms of roads across Pakistan. Which is 600 km more than PMLN did in their last 2 years.
• PM Imran Khan reduced PM office staff to 298 from 552. Reduced the operating cost of the PM office to 339 million from 509 million. (33% reduction) No camp offices. Bears expenses of his house himself. Unprecedented Austerity.
• Ease of doing Business: Pakistan was ranked 147th in the world in 2018. Pakistan has jumped 39 places to 108 under Imran Khan's leadership in less than two years.
• In 22 months, PM Imran Khan's government has brought the Trade Deficit down to $21 billion from $37 billion.

If i can get references for this all, I would slam Noonies with all this

 

[Falcon26]

I am not agreeing or disagreeing.
In other words now we are openly admitting that yes we are incompetent and fraud people and we shall never mend our ways.
So the last option which we have, shall now be exercised.
But whatever we do or wherever we go with this character, we can only make more failed organisations

What are you saying? I don’t get your message

 

[Black.Mamba]

Excellent post.

Do you see new imitative such as the Pak Austria Fachhochschule Institute of Applied Sciences and Technology playing any role in creating such a shift?

Fachhochschule in general is the backbone of the German industrial powerhouse (it is actually the same apprenticeship model) in theory it is the best for Pakistan. However, we will have to educate the companies, organizations, industries to utilize these apprentices to the full potential. Though I do not have a first-hand experience in Pakistan from what I have heard generally when students/educational programs require to complete an Internship and I have often heard the companies actually waste the time of these internees, if the same happens with the apprentices then this German model will also fail miserably.

I have checked the website for Pak Austria Fachhochschule, from the curriculum I would say they are offering nothing different than any other private university in Pakistan, same semester based courses followed by a final year semester project. I would call it a big NO, our universities are churning out 1000s of Bachelor's degree holders with not many industry-specific skills. I do not see any ‘on-the-job', 'hands-on' side of these programs, if that is actually the case then it is bound to fail.

These Fachhochschule are meant for vocational training, you finish high-school and get trained in some craft/trade. Broadly speaking; Construction, Automotive, Electrical, HVAC, Fashion, Hair, Plumbing, Accountancy, Nursing, Caregiver, etc (dozens of market-oriented streams). The overall idea is to get a quick 6 to 12-month educational training, then move to on-the-job training in some actual company for 12 to 24 months (paid but on a fixed minimum scale), if you do good then you will get a permanent position in the same organization with the actual perks and privileges along with your educational certificates, so it is a quick road to market with actual skills and to make you a productive citizen, later you get experience, get matured with time, maybe improve your education further, etc.

For these 4 years Bachelors, Masters, Ph.D. people goto Hochschule or a universität. So I do not see the point to open this type of Fachhochschule (very disappointing). I have a feeling it might have something to do with our cultural mindset as well, as long as you do not get at least a 4-year degree you are declared a loser in our society, while on the other hand we have 1000s of people even with double Masters degrees yet being job-less.

Along with these aspects we need to focus on Bilingualism/Multilingualism in our schools from a very young age, here in Germany pupils have to take 2 additional languages (mandatory), English is often discouraged because you get to learn it either way. So for Pakistan, we should focus on German, Arabic (Not Classical Arabic "Quran", Chinese; if we somehow try to incorporate it in our syllabus from a preschool it can do wonders in the next to 15-20 years.

Though it is a very long road as practically nothing has been done for the last 40 odd years yet I am hopeful that people have started to realize how they had been robbed of their future, some people will always remain living in oblivion but it is a natural phenomenon, those kind of people are always a liability on the state even here in Germany, however as long as the masses get this awakening no one can stop Pakistan.

 

[Neurath]

I totally agree with you and since I have first-hand experience of the German education system along with the mittlestand model and while being a Pakistani I have always been comparing things, ponder and make critical observations. Knowing after the war how Pakistan financially helped Germany, and now we are no way near them in any sense. I also had the privilege to talk with some senior citizens, the generation that actually built Germany, the things they told me I can only dream that we as Pakistani could ever live and think with that mindset.

For the German education the dual track video you posted is actually just 1 type of system, in reality it is a 3 track system and it will be very complicated to explain and unnessesary for this discussion. However just for the perspective, students while being in school based on their aptitude/grades/some other factors are put into the respective stream. For example you do not have the mindset/aptitude of being a doctor during the school years, you will be fizzled out of that path and you will not be able to choose medicine once you graduate high-school (brilliant use of resources) however you know how things are in Pakistan, influential people can move things and get you seats, in Germany if you have been put out of a stream no one can put you in , without being sexiest we all know why most of the medicine seats are occupied by female however most of them never join the labour market (mindset and culture).

For Pakistan, the problem is multi-faceted. From our basic education even to the ethics of our populace and many other factors. Even the religion(fake mullah religion) has made a great dent in our society, our mindsets, etc. Most of the world has a perception that Germans are hardworking which is absolutely false, politely saying they are extremely lazy however how it translates into success is because here we have a say and it goes like "do the thing right the first time so that you do not have to do it again" and everyone lives by this mindset.

I have been a strong advocate that if Pakistan really wants to sling-shot itself, we should follow the same mindset but in-order to achieve it we need to implement the same mindset first across the board, "do it right the first time", however many brilliant minds in Pakistan advocate the evolutionary approach that with time things will improve, in theory, yes they will but it will be a very slow process and can easily be sidetracked as well. Even if you look at the present political situation, any sane mind can see how the nation was looted for the last 40 years but the very same political parties come out on TV, streets and pretend they did nothing, and they still have their support base as well (either uneducated, plain dumb, or vested interests).

It can be a very long discussion but in my opinion, if we really want to fix our country it can be done only if we fix our legal system and bring in a bulletproof accountability system, rest of the things will take their appropriate shape within due course. As long as we will be shifting among dilemmas we will reach nowhere.

A really interesting observation on education, but here I'll tell you the scenes of our students.

Schools have gone too liberal and far-left in Pakistan (private ones), like except for all those assemblies and shit, Pakistan as a state is ridiculed and the mindset of "parho aur pakistan se niklo" starts from right here.
I honestly think something should be done of this. Some of our intellectual elite and people who could do wonders for Pakistan are just leaving the country after being done with education. This bahir niklo mindset can be countered with patriotism or idk what but this problem has been prevalent in Pakistani society ever since we became a nation.

 

[FuturePAF]

A really interesting observation on education, but here I'll tell you the scenes of our students.

Schools have gone too liberal and far-left in Pakistan (private ones), like except for all those assemblies and shit, Pakistan as a state is ridiculed and the mindset of "parho aur pakistan se niklo" starts from right here.
I honestly think something should be done of this. Some of our intellectual elite and people who could do wonders for Pakistan are just leaving the country after being done with education. This bahir niklo mindset can be countered with patriotism or idk what but this problem has been prevalent in Pakistani society ever since we became a nation.

Where are the jobs for people when they getting training in Pakistan, go abroad and get further training, and then have to choose between working abroad or coming home to Pakistan.

We need only look at what happened to Abdul Qadeer Khan. After all his training in Holland, he wanted to come home and work at Karachi steel mills, but was rebuffed. This is why these industries need to be privatized. Only business minded (looking at the profit/loss on a short, medium, and long term basis) know whom to hire and whom to fire.

One option is outlining areas that need FDI and giving tax breaks to people willing to come back and setting up a business. They have to agree to take on apprentices and train them properly, and in exchange they won’t be taxed for 10 years. These ventures will have to be something beyond what is currently available in the area and the principal Pakistani should have to come back for at least half the year to run the business and train the apprentices themselves.

One such venture would be a world class organic farming with knowledge of using AI, automation, and knowledge of high productivity with minimal inputs. This kind of person could be given not only tax incentives, but a free rental home in a nice part of cities, free school at a good school for their kids, and other offsets to attract the back to Pakistan. We just need to make sure they are top talent to decide if they are worth giving these perks.

we are also need to assembly or hire a firm like McKinsey to evaluate where we can grow and what kind of companies, technologies, etc. we need to fill the gaps. What kind of ecosystem we need to build to attract venture capital funding to our local startups and what kind of talent we need to attract from our graduates to keep them around, so they study what is useful.

we have a lot of talent in the arts but no funding to support our own cultural industries like the movie business. Cultural products should be given a national security level of importance, otherwise foreign influence through the media is indoctrinating our populace and draining us of our disposable income.

 

[عقاب]

What are you saying? I don’t get your message

I am saying that behind fail steel mill a fail pia are fail people
organisations and nations fail and succede because of character of its people

 

[FuturePAF]

I am saying that behind fail steel mill a fail pia are fail people
organisations and nations fail and succede because of character of its people

We should ask Abdul Qadeer Khan who is a trained metallurgist to evaluate what has gone wrong with the steel mills, and how to structure its sale or partial privatization to best benefit the nation. He was rejected by the steel mills in the 1970s and went to Holland and acquired the knowledge to improve the knowledge of metallurgy in Pakistan. If anyone has seen it all in the industry it is him. He is also a national hero and probably best suited to deliver the harsh news to the public.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Fachhochschule in general is the backbone of the German industrial powerhouse (it is actually the same apprenticeship model) in theory it is the best for Pakistan. However, we will have to educate the companies, organizations, industries to utilize these apprentices to the full potential. Though I do not have a first-hand experience in Pakistan from what I have heard generally when students/educational programs require to complete an Internship and I have often heard the companies actually waste the time of these internees, if the same happens with the apprentices then this German model will also fail miserably.

I have checked the website for Pak Austria Fachhochschule, from the curriculum I would say they are offering nothing different than any other private university in Pakistan, same semester based courses followed by a final year semester project. I would call it a big NO, our universities are churning out 1000s of Bachelor's degree holders with not many industry-specific skills. I do not see any ‘on-the-job', 'hands-on' side of these programs, if that is actually the case then it is bound to fail.

These Fachhochschule are meant for vocational training, you finish high-school and get trained in some craft/trade. Broadly speaking; Construction, Automotive, Electrical, HVAC, Fashion, Hair, Plumbing, Accountancy, Nursing, Caregiver, etc (dozens of market-oriented streams). The overall idea is to get a quick 6 to 12-month educational training, then move to on-the-job training in some actual company for 12 to 24 months (paid but on a fixed minimum scale), if you do good then you will get a permanent position in the same organization with the actual perks and privileges along with your educational certificates, so it is a quick road to market with actual skills and to make you a productive citizen, later you get experience, get matured with time, maybe improve your education further, etc.

For these 4 years Bachelors, Masters, Ph.D. people goto Hochschule or a universität. So I do not see the point to open this type of Fachhochschule (very disappointing). I have a feeling it might have something to do with our cultural mindset as well, as long as you do not get at least a 4-year degree you are declared a loser in our society, while on the other hand we have 1000s of people even with double Masters degrees yet being job-less.

Along with these aspects we need to focus on Bilingualism/Multilingualism in our schools from a very young age, here in Germany pupils have to take 2 additional languages (mandatory), English is often discouraged because you get to learn it either way. So for Pakistan, we should focus on German, Arabic (Not Classical Arabic "Quran", Chinese; if we somehow try to incorporate it in our syllabus from a preschool it can do wonders in the next to 15-20 years.

Though it is a very long road as practically nothing has been done for the last 40 odd years yet I am hopeful that people have started to realize how they had been robbed of their future, some people will always remain living in oblivion but it is a natural phenomenon, those kind of people are always a liability on the state even here in Germany, however as long as the masses get this awakening no one can stop Pakistan.

Herr Black Mamba how will you convince people who think working part time while doing O/A levels in Beaconhouse or University in LUMS/Bahria/Iqra/NUST universities is a disgrace and only the chooras/shudars should do this??

How will you convince the sheep that goes into a Pakistani university knowing full well0 that when he comes out of the university with a bachelor, master or PhD he wont get any jobs. Only qudrat e khuda could get him a job or a strong mamu chachoo or a whole lot of Quaid e Azam portraits ( I prefer Ben Frank protraits tho LMAO JK)

He knows he can make more money and benefit the nation more if he sets up a business. But he still does it cuz RISHTA AUNTIES.

We should ask Abdul Qadeer Khan who is a trained metallurgist to evaluate what has gone wrong with the steel mills, and how to structure its sale or partial privatization to best benefit the nation. He was rejected by the steel mills in the 1970s and went to Holland and acquired the knowledge to improve the knowledge of metallurgy in Pakistan. If anyone has seen it all in the industry it is him. He is also a national hero and probably best suited to deliver the harsh news to the public.

Yeah lets throw him in jail for another 2 decades after when we're done with him.

 

[Falcon26]

I am saying that behind fail steel mill a fail pia are fail people
organisations and nations fail and succede because of character of its people

That’s a philosophical argument and not an argument on how the state should be run.