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I'm an "Arab", if the Lebanese do indeed qualify as genuine Arabs in a biological/genetic sense.

Muslim first however, but hoping for coexistence and respect between all believers in the Middle East, just as it was for centuries with Muslims, Christians and Jews living together like one family.
 
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My Arab nationalism is no way near the socialist Ba'athst style. It's far from it.



Of course he was.

Though i admire you for trying to breath some life into Arab nationalism, its practically dead in all senses. Religion dominates the Arab world sadly.
 
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No, he must have been a Martian.
What's Martian ?

Historian claim , was the leader of an Arab Muslim resistance against Italian forces in Libya, from 1912 untll he was captured, tried and hanged in September 1931.

Watch it soon
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I'm an "Arab", if the Lebanese do indeed qualify as genuine Arabs in a biological/genetic sense.

Muslim first however, but hoping for coexistence and respect between all believers in the Middle East, just as it was for centuries with Muslims, Christians and Jews living together like one family.

If you take a look at practically all genetic tests you will realize that Arab Lebanese (whether Muslim or Christian) cluster with their Arab neighbors and the wider Arab world. Be it in terms of paternal ancestry (Y-DNA) or overall autosomal DNA. This is logical in every way you look at it be it geography, pre-Islamic history, Islamic history, the ancient shared Semitic identity etc.

Not to mention language, culture, identity etc. If Lebanese are not Arabs nobody is as every single current Arab country has a pre-Arab identity, mostly ironically a shared Semitic/Hamitic identity. There is a reason why Arabization (which occurred in Arabia itself as well contrary to popular belief) only occurred in Semitic-speaking regions of what for the past 1400 years has been the Arab world. Because people in that region were already closely related and tied so the shift from the Semitic Aramaic (which was the lingua franca) and previous languages was not a difficult one.

Basically modern-day Arabs are not all ethnically Arab, although most are, but even those who are not ethnically Arab, excluding the Afro-Arabs (who are a mixture in most cases), share an pre-Arab Semitic/Hamitic relation which modern-day DNA also confirms.

This article below does a quite well job of explaining this (plenty of sources) but I am sure that every Arab is aware of all this already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Besides the notion of a "pure" race does not exist and among every single ethnic group let alone the second largest in the world such as the Arab one, there will be diversity. It's absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise. In every single Arab country you can find people who have different appearances and who belong to different haplogroups and different ethnicities/races originally. This is the case all across the world with no exception if you look back in history far enough. However there are dominant traits be it in terms of physical appearance of everything else that are undeniable.

The crucial thing here is the very strong combination of shared mother tongue, ancient history (pre-Islamic as Islamic) culture, religions, blood, geography etc. that is unprecedented in any other ethnic group of this size and any other ethnic group who inhabits such a large geographic area. This is indisputable and actually a unique thing if you think about it.

So what we share in common is many times greater than what divides us and it's something that most of us have realized long ago but that alone won't change the situation on its own of course. My I refer to my initial post, sorry novel.

@Halimi even if we look past all this above then everyone who speaks Arabic and identifies as an Arab can be considered as one. Who are we to say otherwise? I mean I could consider everyone else other than Hijazis to be non-Arab if I wanted but what would this mean? Nothing.

What's Martian ?

Historian claim , was the leader of an Arab Muslim resistance against Italian forces in Libya, from 1912 untll he was captured, tried and hanged in September 1931.

Watch it soon
294817_large.jpg

Bro, Omar al-Mukhtar is a well-known historical figure in the Arab world and his story is taught across the entire Arab world. Several movies, songs, books, poems etc. have been created in his name. He is widely praised for his resistance against the Italians and he is considered one of our many national heroes. First and foremost an Libyan hero of course but he is nevertheless a shared personality. Not different from many others in that time period or the previous one. Another one is the Algerian Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri.









https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelkader_El_Djezairi

An "al-Hasani" moreover.:D
 
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If you take a look at practically all genetic tests you will realize that Arab Lebanese (whether Muslim or Christian) cluster with their Arab neighbors and the wider Arab world. Be it in terms of paternal ancestry (Y-DNA) or overall autosomal DNA. This is logical in every way you look at it be it geography, pre-Islamic history, Islamic history, the ancient shared Semitic identity etc.

Not to mention language, culture, identity etc. If Lebanese are not Arabs nobody is as every single current Arab country has a pre-Arab identity, mostly ironically a shared Semitic/Hamitic identity. There is a reason why Arabization (which occurred in Arabia itself as well contrary to popular belief) only occurred in Semitic-speaking regions of what for the past 1400 years has been the Arab world. Because people in that region were already closely related and tied so the shift from the Semitic Aramaic (which was the lingua franca) and previous languages was not a difficult one.

Basically modern-day Arabs are not all ethnically Arab, although most are, but even those who are not ethnically Arab, excluding the Afro-Arabs (who are a mixture in most cases), share an pre-Arab Semitic/Hamitic relation which modern-day DNA also confirms.

This article below does a quite well job of explaining this (plenty of sources) but I am sure that every Arab is aware of all this already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Besides the notion of a "pure" race does not exist and among every single ethnic group let alone the second largest in the world such as the Arab one, there will be diversity. It's absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise. In every single Arab country you can find people who have different appearances and who belong to different haplogroups and different ethnicities/races originally. This is the case all across the world with no exception if you look back in history far enough. However there are dominant traits be it in terms of physical appearance of everything else that are undeniable.

The crucial thing here is the very strong combination of shared mother tongue, ancient history (pre-Islamic as Islamic) culture, religions, blood, geography etc. that is unprecedented in any other ethnic group of this size and any other ethnic group who inhabits such a large geographic area. This is indisputable and actually a unique thing if you think about it.

So what we share in common is many times greater than what divides us and it's something that most of us have realized long ago but that alone won't change the situation on its own of course. My I refer to my initial post, sorry nove



Bro, Omar al-Mukhtar is a well-known historical figure in the Arab world and his story is taught across the entire Arab world. Several movies, songs, books, poems etc. have been created in his name. He is widely praised for his resistance against the Italians and he is considered one of our many national heroes. First and foremost an Libyan hero of course but he is nevertheless a shared personality. Not different from many others in that time period or the previous one. Another one is the Algerian Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri.







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelkader_El_Djezairi
ok..thanks...now we touching pages of history ...You or Al arabi seen " Lawrence of Arabia " , If you seen are you agree with director writer ?
 
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ok..thanks...now we touching pages of history ...You or Al arabi seen " Lawrence of Arabia " , If you seen are you agree with director writer ?

I might have watched it once many years ago when I was much younger but I don't recall if I in fact watched the entire movie or only parts of it. Why are you asking?

If you want to know my opinion about this time period, see my posts and those of @Falcon29 (who I agree with on that front) in this thread below.

https://defence.pk/threads/5-old-pictures-of-palestine-that-hillary-clinton-needs-to-see.430318/

Page 1 and 2.

Anyway none of our discussion has anything to do with the topic and this thread was supposed to gather the few remaining Arab users here and possibly attract those that have left back.


I won't lie, that poem was very touching and in many ways spot on.

Here is the same video with almost 8 million views.


A video with the same overall message with 16 million views.


@الأعرابي I am very busy currently (just got time to open social media earlier this night) but I will give you a detailed reply later and try to tag as many members as I can recall. I just have obligations this week that I cannot ignore and I should not even be online right now. Please forgive me.

Anyway let me write this below which I have not yet discussed in this thread:

لن يقوم للامة العربية مقام حتى تتحد دولها..ولن تتحد دولها الا اذا تكاتفت الجهود وتوحدت المناهج التعليمية في العالم العربي الذي يمتلك جميع مقومات الوحدة التعليمية لوجود قواسم مشتركة قوية هي اللغة والدين والتاريخ والتراث والمصالح والاهداف والآمال خاصة بعد زيادة الحاجة إلى وجود كيان عربي موحد وقوي وقادر على مواجهة المتغيرات المختلفة في ظل ما نعيشه الآن في عصر التكتلات العملاقة في اوروبا وآسيا وامريكا.

والاهم من هذا كله ان تقف الدول العربية سواء اكانت متحدة ام متفرقة وقفة واحدة لايجاد الشخص المؤمن بربه وقضايا وطنه، المبدع، القادر على رسم صورة المستقبل. ووضع الاسقاطات اللازمة للمتغيرات في الوطن العربي. وذلك لان توحيد المناهج كمادة علمية واحدة في جميع الاقطار العربية يصعب لعدة اسباب. من اهمها الاسباب الاجتماعية والعادات والتقاليد ومستويات التعليم وانواعه المطلوبة. وغير ذلك ولكن على الدول العربية ان تأخذ شيئاً واسعاً مثل الاستراتيجية. وتحاول الافادة من الآليات الموصوفة فيها وتطوعها كل دولة وفقاً لظروفها.

لا بد ان يدرك العرب جميعاً ان اللغة الحديثة هي لغة التعامل مع التقنيات الحديثة. وليس من اجل استهلاك التقنيات الحديثة القادمة من الخارج. ولكن علينا ان نتعامل وننتج هذه التقنية الحديثة والا سنظل تابعين ونعيش في مأساة مستمرة.

وإذا كنّا عاجزين عن تغيير البيئة هذه وظروفها غير الملائمة، علينا أن نفكّر في طريقةٍ لتكييف الشباب العربي مع تلك الظروف ولبناء أجيال مؤمنة بالتحدّي. إذ إن التحدّي والإصرار هما المدخل الأساس لقيادة التغيير في الوطن العربي، ناهيك بالمدرسة والمنظومات التربويّة والأسرة ومنظّمات المجتمع المدني وغيرها…التي يجب أن تعلّم أبناءها عدم التخلّي عن أحلامهم في التغيير مهما كانت الظروف والعقبات.
 
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To the OP: Thanks for starting this thread and thank you for your kind words. :-)

I personally think Arab unity has become a lost cause over the years. In fact, one could also argue that smaller political movements, such as GCC unity, have also become a lost cause recently, especially after countries like Qatar decided to stab all the other GCC states in the back by siding with the Muslim Brotherhood and by cozying up to countries such as Iran and Turkey, both of which have their own regional aspirations.

I think it boils down to economics. The reason why Arab unity hasn't worked out so well is that there's not a single country in the Arab World that's economically capable of asserting itself across a huge and highly populated area of land that stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf. Egypt was supposed to be that country, but its economy has always been in shambles, even since the 1950s and 60s. As a result, no country in the Arab World has ever succeeded in becoming a long-term regional leader. Iraq tried to replace Egypt as the leader of the Arab World in the 1980s, but once again the Iraqis failed to assert themselves for a very long time in the Arab World because they, too, were facing economic hardships.

In the end, it boils down to economics, which is why the coming ten years are going to be very important for Saudi Arabia, both as a country and as a regional player.

Saudi Arabia won't have to worry about troublemakers like Qatar in the future if it gets its own house in order. In order for Saudi Arabia to lead the Arab World, it needs to have a very large self-sufficient economy that would enable it to assert itself in Southwest Asia and North Africa for a very long time. Will Saudi Arabia succeed where the likes of Egypt, Iraq and even Syria have failed? Only time will tell.

We also have to bear in mind that the Arab World is more diverse than the foreigners/non-Arabs tend to think. For example, from a cultural point of view, the Arab World is extremely heterogeneous. The Lebanese culture, for example, has more things in common with the Cypriot culture than it has with the Sudanese culture. Likewise, the Tunisian culture has a lot more in common with the culture of Sicily than it has with the culture of Oman.

Can the Arabic-speaking world overcome vast cultural differences, not to mention genealogical differences, to achieve political and/or economic unity? That's very hard to answer, in my opinion. I dare say that the Arabic-speaking world faces a much more difficult task than Western Europe ever did, and yet even the EU is struggling to keep itself intact, despite its favorable economic size/conditions.

The Arab World has gone through several political phases over the last 50-60 years. Many decades ago, Arab nationalism was a lot more important than Islamism. Since the 90s, however, Islamism has gradually become more important than Arab nationalism. Ironically, neither Arab nationalism nor Islamism has given anything back to the people. The Egyptians lived under multiple Arab nationalist governments for a number of decades during the 20th century, but they failed to see any kind of real prosperity. Likewise, they lived under Islamist rule for a short period of time a few years ago, but they didn't benefit from it. Despite all the promises, both the Arab nationalist and Islamist movements failed to bring real prosperity to the Egyptians, Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, Yemenis and many other peoples.

Meanwhile, the Gulf Arab monarchies, which weren't 100% dedicated to either Arab nationalism or Islamism, have managed to bring more prosperity to their citizens by being more pragmatic and less idealistic.

I think the Arab World is witnessing the rise of localism lately. Tunisia is an excellent case in point. It's the only liberal/electoral/representative democracy in the Arab World right now. It's also the only country in the Arab World to be classified as "free" by Freedom House. If you look at Tunisia's foreign policy, you'd realize that it's not interested in getting involved in regional or pan-Arab affairs. It's very localist, which is what the Tunisian voting-age population wants. As the only success story in the Arab World, Tunisia will focus exclusively on domestic issues over the next couple of decades. Once it becomes strong and sustainable enough to carry its own weight, it will be able to become an initiator of regional integration in the Arab Maghreb.

I'm personally an advocate of Middle Eastern integration. I think there should be a Middle East Union, similar to the EU. It should include the GCC states, Iraq, the Levant, Yemen, Iran, Israel, a potential Kurdistan, and possibly Turkey -- unless Turkey ends up joining the EU. Anyway, this Middle East Union should represent all peoples of the region.

It's time we move beyond ethnic nationalism and religion, in my opinion. Nationalism didn't do the Europeans any good. It almost destroyed them in the 1940s.

Don't misunderstand me, though.

Preserving and promoting your ethnic identity / ethnicity, culture and language is very, very important, in my opinion!!! There's absolutely nothing wrong about that.

Dogmatism, however, needs to end. It has kept this region behind for many decades because it made people spend more time thinking about whom to hate and less time being creative and productive. As a result, the Arab World has gone backwards over the years, while other parts of the world, including some parts of Sub-Saharan Africa, kept moving forwards.

The Middle East needs to find the right balance. Sadly, it hasn't found it yet.
 
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