Nothing funny in Europe: Charlie Hebdo's 'right' to offend Muslims

[metronome]

how is hinduism socialistic??

i don't want this thread to become a war but i only ask a valid question.

no mongols stood adopting hinduism, and that is a fact of history.

lol, I know better than to argue with you about socialism.. my point was about the misinterpretation of said religion.

One has to be in a serious ostritch pose if one is to ignore the Islamic extremism that leads to terrorism in todays world.

and just to assuage any 'bigotry' allegations, let me assure you.. I'd have said the same for Hinduism (or any other faith) if it was causing the same problems today.

not free speech, not satire, not western values.. the blame rests squarely on extremist Islam.

 

[jamahir]

if one is to ignore the Islamic extremism

the blame rests squarely on extremist Islam.

is it the religion or is it the followers??

how do you see leaders like nasser, gaddafi, saddam, bashar??

a) Islam is probably the newest religion so please don't count it amongst the old religions.

greater than 1000 years not old enough for you?? and sikhism is newer than islam... but these points don't matter.

b) how can you call a religion sane, when it is so easy to be misinterpreted/tweaked.

the mistake of the newer muslim leaders ( like mustafa kamal ataturk and nasser ) being that they retained arabi as the official language of the quran and did not go for a internationally unifying language like english.

When you find the most insane followers of Islam only.

really??

So please excuse us if we laugh off your claim of Islam being sanest religion because in all reality it is nothing like that.

yes, laugh away, while divorce rights for ladies was brought into hinduism when exactly??

 

[jbond197]

greater than 1000 years not old enough for you?? and sikhism is newer than islam... but these points don't matter.

The point was it's amongst the newest religions and took a lot of inspirational help from Judaism and Christianity which were much older.

the mistake of the newer muslim leaders ( like mustafa kamal ataturk and nasser ) being that they retained arabi as the official language of the quran and did not go for a internationally unifying language like english.

Wow!! So you want now to reject the language of prophet Mohammad. What's wrong with Arabic BTW?

really??

What's so surprising there? Look around and centre of all the major issues around the world you will find the gun holding insane followers of Islam.

yes, laugh away, while divorce rights for ladies was brought into hinduism when exactly??

Ok, divorce rights is a society level issue hardly anything to do with religion but any ways reforms are always welcomed in Hinduism where as it is a strict no go area in case of Islam.

 

[metronome]

is it the religion or is it the followers??

the followers of course, and you can see them on this very forum.. they "condemn" the murders, but are all enraged and cursing the dead in the very same breath, it's not even veiled, you can see the follower's rage clearly.. the religion has a ebola/AIDS like terror problem, let's please not waste any more time trying to be politically correct.

Islamic extremism leads to terror like 9/11, 26/11, boko haram and ISIS

how do you see leaders like nasser, gaddafi, saddam, bashar??

not an expert on any of those but..

Gamal Abdel Nasser, I presume ? no idea lol

but I'm quite happy with General el sisi in charge of Egypt now

It's a shame what happened with Gaddafi/Libya

Saddam was very unfortunate too

and I wish Bashar all the luck in the world to save Syria from the western sponsored wahhabi terrorists

 

[jamahir]

Salah bhaiyyaa musulman, you are lucky Modi gave you free speech to insult Hinduism or else Shiv Sena would have killed you by now.

is that your occupation... coming on forums and threatening people??

Wow!! So you want now to reject the language of prophet Mohammad.

it is not about rejecting, there is no holy language... to have so would be idolatry.

english has a better reach and it would have been easier pointing out any misinterpretation that some mullah was trying to promote in some local community.

may i say that early muslim empires did a prime mistake... not promoting greek language which was the language of philosphers, in the west and the east.

not an expert on any of those but..

Gamal Abdel Nasser, I presume ? no idea lol

but I'm quite happy with General el sisi in charge of Egypt now

It's a shame what happened with Gaddafi/Libya

Saddam was very unfortunate too

and I wish Bashar all the luck in the world to save Syria from the western sponsored wahhabi terrorists

thank you for these thoughts.

the followers of course, and you can see them on this very forum.. they "condemn" the murders, but are all enraged and cursing the dead in the very same breath, it's not even veiled, you can see the follower's rage clearly.. the religion has a ebola/AIDS like terror problem, let's please not waste any more time trying to be politically correct.

i too don't believe in political correctness.

you must consider this... most muslims on pdf, especially the pakistanis condemn groups like taliban, qaeda and hizb-ut-tahrir.

what they only ask is why are the paris dead more sacred than muslim/christian dead in the past/present in places like iraq, libya, syria and pakistan.

Ok, divorce rights is a society level issue hardly anything to do with religion but any ways reforms are always welcomed in Hinduism where as it is a strict no go area in case of Islam.

no, divorce rights are prime part of islam... you have less knowledge of real islam.

 

[metronome]

i too don't believe in political correctness.

you must consider this... most muslims on pdf, especially the pakistanis condemn groups like taliban, qaeda and hizb-ut-tahrir.

what they only ask if why are the paris attackers more sacred than muslim/christian deaths in the past/present in places like iraq, libya, syria and pakistan.

sure, decent people everywhere condemn terrorist attacks.

but Islam is a huge problem to global security atm, armed with boxcutters, it only took 3 people to hijack planes on 9/11.. the "oh, but only a tiny percentage of them are terrorists" schpeel just does not cut it anymore. Everyone, muslims and kuffar need to get together and end this madness. Suspect a radicalized person in your circle ? report them !

the west's disastrous miscalculations in the ME are a separate discussion, somewhat related, but it's a weak strawman when referred to here in this context.

Islamic extremism = cancer of humanity

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

these cartoons have suddenly become the new crusades...

i too condemn the paris killings but in all this crying why has the western bloc forgotten killings many more times than in paris... and the below killings were because of western invasions or support to criminal groups...

korea war... 1950-53... north korean dead about 4 million... invasion.
iraq... 1990-2010 approx... 2 million dead and 4 million refugees... invasion.
libya... 2011... 200,000+ dead... invasion.
syria... 2011-2015... 180,000+ dead... invasion by western proxies.
russia... 1991-2014... hundreds or thousands... invasion by western proxies.
china... date i don't know... many... bombings and killings by western proxies.
venezuela... 2011... dozens approx... acts and invasions by western proxies.
pakistan... approx 2004-2014... thousands... acts and invasions by western proxies.

where are western leaders marching for the above dead... where is the outrage...

I think You are mistaken, in believing that North Korea, which started the Korean War, belongs to the West.
Iraq: Mostly Muslims killing Muslims.
Syria: Muslims killing Muslims.
Russia is not a Western proxy, nor is the Muslim terrorists.
China: Many terrorist acts by Muslims against a repressive regime, which is not a Western proxy.
Venezuela: Repressive regime, no invasion.
Pakistan: Thousands killed by US drones with Pakistan leadership approval.
Pakistan Army also on killing spree vs Muslim terrorists.


Egg on You face .

 

[jamahir]

Everyone, muslims and kuffar need to get together and end this madness.

why use the provocative word "kuffar"??

but the gist of your post... it is being done by militaries of central asia, pakistan, syria and egypt... there is the entire sco grouping to handle such matters.

Islamic extremism = cancer of humanity

real islami extremism will be the society in any socialist muslim country... in the 1970's, muammar gaddafi called himself "soldier of islam"... he was really that and he did so to remove the world's muslims from influence of reactionary "muslims".

but what humanity needs is a post-religion future.

I think You are mistaken, in believing that North Korea, which started the Korean War, belongs to the West.

what are you talking about??

i was only pointing out how many north koreans were killed by western/allied forces... it was no business of the west in interfering in korea, yet they did.

Iraq: Mostly Muslims killing Muslims.
Syria: Muslims killing Muslims.

our syrian member ( christian ) will tell you how the western government supported fsa/qaeda/jemah etc are killing christians... that was the case in iraq too.

Russia is not a Western proxy, nor is the Muslim terrorists.

when did i say russia was a western proxy??

i said that it was western intelligence agencies who supported the chechen rebels in the civil war in checnya and other acts previously, and they do so now in the bombings in russia.

it is mainly the cia-supported hizb-ut-tahrir who does these criminal acts in russia and central asia.

China: Many terrorist acts by Muslims against a repressive regime, which is not a Western proxy.

naturally, you would call china a "repressive regime"... but is it any repressive than the usa regime which is not allowing the people's voice to be heard in the occupy wall street movement or which is allowing capitalist corporations to get people to the point of suicide or crime??

i being a muslim reject those terrorist "muslims" you are praising... so do many most muslims in china and on pdf.

it is again the cia-supported hizb-ut-tahrir who does these criminal acts in china.

Venezuela: Repressive regime, no invasion.

right, independent socialist venezuela government is bad and usa puppet venezuela government is good... nice logic.

and no big direct invasion, correct... but venezuela is having its own "arab spring".

Pakistan: Thousands killed by US drones with Pakistan leadership approval.

why not mention the cia-created/supported taliban??

Pakistan Army also on killing spree vs Muslim terrorists.

@waz @Jungibaaz @Oscar i don't know what to make of above comment.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

China: Many terrorist acts by Muslims against a repressive regime, which is not a Western proxy.

Aren't you the biggest Israel supporter on this forum?

And you accuse us of being "repressive" towards normal Muslims?

And suddenly you feel sorry for extremists/terrorists, but only as long as they attack innocent Chinese civilians?

 

[livingdead]

The 1 million copies are sold out and they are printing 5 millions now.

 

[waz]

@waz @Jungibaaz @Oscar i don't know what to make of above comment.

It's fine my friend.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Aren't you the biggest Israel supporter on this forum?

And you accuse us of being "repressive" towards normal Muslims?

And suddenly you feel sorry for extremists/terrorists, but only as long as they attack innocent Chinese civilians?

I would say that the Chinese regime is mostly repressive vs the Chinese.
There are lots of stories about party bosses which uses their powers for personal gain,
and if people complain, they get into trouble.

I don't feel sorry for any terrorist, I feel sorry for those that gets caught by terrorist acts.

It's fine my friend.

Just saying that the government of Pakistan is making a real effort to try to rid Pakistan of the dark forces,
and a lot if (bad) Muslims are killed.

what are you talking about??

i was only pointing out how many north koreans were killed by western/allied forces... it was no business of the west in interfering in korea, yet they did.

it was everyones business to participate, since there was a vote in the United Nation to do just that.

our syrian member ( christian ) will tell you how the western government supported fsa/qaeda/jemah etc are killing christians... that was the case in iraq too.

And fsa/qaeda/jemah are not Muslims?

when did i say russia was a western proxy??

i said that it was western intelligence agencies who supported the chechen rebels in the civil war in checnya and other acts previously, and they do so now in the bombings in russia.

it is mainly the cia-supported hizb-ut-tahrir who does these criminal acts in russia and central asia.

No You didn't,
"russia... 1991-2014... hundreds or thousands... invasion by western proxies."
The people invading Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine are not western proxies, they are Russians.

naturally, you would call china a "repressive regime"... but is it any repressive than the usa regime which is not allowing the people's voice to be heard in the occupy wall street movement or which is allowing capitalist corporations to get people to the point of suicide or crime??

i being a muslim reject those terrorist "muslims" you are praising... so do many most muslims in china and on pdf.

it is again the cia-supported hizb-ut-tahrir who does these criminal acts in china.

Who is praising any terrorist Muslims? I am certainly not. Does not change the fact that China
is repressive.

right, independent socialist venezuela government is bad and usa puppet venezuela government is good... nice logic.
and no big direct invasion, correct... but venezuela is having its own "arab spring".
why not mention the cia-created/supported taliban?

Venezuelan economy is going down the drains and the regime reacts by trying to curb opposition.

Read up on history, the Taliban as a movement became important years after the Soviet Union
Left the area, and the US quickly lost interest. If any country is responsible for creating the Taliban,
I think it would be Pakistan. That is at least the general opinion in the West.

 

[Sliver]

Non muslims need not respect the prophet
Non muslims need not respect the beliefs of muslims
Non muslims need not respect the laws of islam, they only need to respect the law of the land
Non muslims should not be targeted for "not respecting" islamic ideals - cos, by definition they are "non-muslim"

violence is not a solution for any non-violent act.
a cartoon cannot be a reason for violence.

why should you get offended about what I think of Islam?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I would say that the Chinese regime is mostly repressive vs the Chinese.

Do we run bombing raids with F-16 fighter jets in Xinjiang, like Israel does in Gaza?

White phosphorous? Shelling UN schools? Blowing up kids on beaches?

I do sympathize with Israel in their fight against extremism, but their supporters are giving them a really bad name, by trying to use the "repression" card to justify the actions of extremists against other people.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Do we run bombing raids with F-16 fighter jets in Xinjiang, like Israel does in Gaza?

White phosphorous? Shelling UN schools? Blowing up kids on beaches?

I do sympathize with Israel in their fight against extremism, but their supporters are giving them a really bad name, by trying to use the "repression" card to justify the actions of extremists against other people.

Xinjiang does not fire missiles at mainland China.

You, as everyone else knows that war has its own laws.
Use of white phosphorus and shelling UN schools may or may not be legal.
It all depends, so mentioning that without the conditions is meaningless propaganda.

Blowing up kids on beaches is never good, but again only real investigations show if it is a crime.

Stealing peoples properties, and then putting people in jail for complaining, is always repressive.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Xinjiang does not fire missiles at mainland China.

You, as everyone else knows that war has its own laws.
Use of white phosphorus and shelling UN schools may or may not be legal.
It all depends, so mentioning that without the conditions is meaningless propaganda.

Blowing up kids on beaches is never good, but again only real investigations show if it is a crime.

Stealing peoples properties, and then putting people in jail for complaining, is always repressive.

Stealing land, like the entire country of Israel?