Not Shinkansen ? India plans high-speed rail project with China

[bolo]

Guys，don't get excited! According to the chief engineer of Chinese high speed rails，India doesn't have money to pay or have material resources to exchange for Chinese involvement, so most likely it'll be built on China's merciful loans. It'd be a bad investment for China in the end.

"中国工程院院士王梦恕在接受记者采访时表示，印度没有高速公路，运输主要靠铁路。实际上印度已经跟中国就高铁问题谈过数次，但他们既没有钱支撑建设，又没有资源可以跟中国交换，所以资金是其高铁发展的最大问题。"

Why is China entering this bad deal?

 

[bolo]

If China is to do this (big mistake, IMO), China should get the finances sorted out beforehand. Furthermore, China should ensure the safety of its workers from rape. The Australian fireworks company responsible for the Commonwealth games is still fighting to get paid, last I heard. Indian officials are notorious deadbeats.

not sure why Chinese businesses are so interested in India? Sure they have 1 billion people.

1 billion people with not a lot of money to spend on infrastructure. They rather spend on the Brahmos paint and their Vikky.

Come on CPC, I'm sure you are not as gullible from your past record.

 

[mike2000]

What are we - Australia? We will not deport these poor and destitute Chinese citizens. We will just help them get employment. Let them stay in a democratic land - they go through torture and what not and embark on a journey across the Himalayas to come to India. It is the least we can do.

Awwwww.....saint India, how sweet.lool Why do you call them poor destitute citizens? As far as i know, Many Indians themselves are way way poorer than them. So poor won't be an apprpriate term for that. Moreover, as i said there are soooo many countries who hosts way way more refugees than India in the millions without complaining much. So India shouldnt complain at all, afterall when you think you are doing 'good work' then dont complain,else you are not really doing 'good'. So keep up the 'saint/good work', GOD will pay you back, dont worry.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

India plans high-speed rail project with China

By ZHONG NAN (China Daily)
Updated: 2014-11-25 07:06


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A high-speed bullet train runs from Urumqi South Railway Station to Hami city, Xinjiang, in this Nov 16 file photo. [Photo/Xinhua]


If confirmed, proposal would expand country's overseas market

China is in discussions with India to help it build the world's second-longest high-speed railroad with a price tag of 200 billion yuan ($32.6 billion), its latest efforts to push for a bigger share of the overseas high-speed market.

The Delhi-Chennai high-speed rail corridor will see trains running at 300 km/h, covering up to 1,754 kilometers.

The railway is proposed to be developed jointly with China, home to the world's longest high-speed rail line - between Beijing and Guangzhou - several Indian media organizations reported over the weekend, citing senior officials with India's Ministry of Railways.

Hindustan Times reported that a high-level Indian railways team would visit Beijing on Monday to complete formalities for the project's feasibility study.

The team, comprising officials of the High Speed Rail Corp and the Rail Vikas Nigam Ltd, will sign an agreement with Chinese counterparts, the report said.

"The study on the Delhi-Chennai line can be expected to begin early next year", the report said, citing unnamed ministry officials.

China Daily could not independently confirm the news on Monday, as information officials with China's National Railway Administration, China Railway Corp and China Railway Construction Corp all declined to comment.

However, encouraged by the speculation of this big-ticket rail project between China and India, the stock value of rail infrastructure construction companies rose sharply on Monday, with China Railway Construction Corp and China Communications Construction both up by more than 9 percent on the Shanghai Stock Exchange.

The project is part of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's "diamond quadrilateral" project that aims to build a network of high-speed trains between cities including Delhi-Mumbai, Mumbai-Chennai, Chennai-Kolkata, Kolkata-Delhi and Mumbai-Kolkata, according to Indian media.

Feng Hao, a researcher at the Institute of Comprehensive Transportation at the National Development and Reform Commission, said if the deal is made, the project opens the door for Chinese companies to provide new railway design, tracks made of durable materials, automated signaling for faster trains and modern stations that India’s British-built rail system desperately needs.

India has added 11,000 kms of track in the 67 years since its independence.

China, whose operating rail mileage exceeded 100,000 km by the end of 2013, including 10,000 km of high-speed railroads, is pushing for a bigger share of the lucrative high-speed train market in India and other parts of the world.

"Chinese investment will also help narrow the trade deficit with India, which hit $31 billion in 2013," said Zhao Zhongxiu, a trade professor at the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing.

China pledged to offer investment opportunities and technical assistance in India's rail network to help the country improve transportation during President Xi Jinping's visit to India in September.

Diao Chunhe, president of China International Contractors Association, which helps Chinese companies explore new business in overseas markets, said Chinese rail construction companies are attractive to foreign governments and business partners, because unlike their competitors in Canada, Germany, South Korea and Japan, they come with their own funding model.

"They are capable of coordinating finance for projects through Chinese institutions such as the Export-Import Bank of China or China Development Bank," said Diao. "They also do not generally seek sovereign guarantees when working with local partners."

Also on Monday, Mexican Communications and Transportation Minister Gerardo Ruiz Esparza met Chinese officials to discuss the cancellation this month of a $3.75 billion high-speed rail contract that had been awarded to a CRCC-led consortium, the sole bidder.

Ruiz Esparza discussed Mexican plans to build a $10 billion state-owned and privately operated mobile network with Chinese help, according to a ministry statement.

The Mexican government has already received a bid for the project. The country is aiming to publish the initial terms of the tender to build and run the network in December.

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That's right, earn $32.6 billion from Indian pocket. What will Indian member in PDF say, China CRH crap again ?

we'll buy only equipment....majority of that cash will go to Indian engineering companies. Even the locos will be built in India...India ain't pak

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I get itchy whenever it is something to do with China, thank god I am not in control of the nukes!!

Are you itchy DRAY?

More debt for India, around $32 billion in this case.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why is China entering this bad deal?

It was a request proposed by India, but we just choose to ignore it as usual.

 

[Pride]

It was a request proposed by India, but we just choose to ignore it as usual.

China to offer aid for India high-speed rail study| Reuters
(Reuters) - China will conduct and pay for a feasibility study in India for a high-speed rail line to link Delhi with the southeast city of Chennai, a spokesman for India's Ministry of Railways said on Tuesday, as the country moves to modernise its creaking rail infrastructure.

 

[cirr]

Our Indian friends long for HSR。Unfortunately they have neither the funds nor the resources to exchange for the funds。That's the concluding remarks made by one Chinese expert who took part in all the negotiations with his Indian guests。

 

[AgentOrange]

Our Indian friends long for HSR。Unfortunately they have neither the funds nor the resources to exchange for the funds。That's the concluding remarks made by one Chinese expert who took part in all the negotiations with his Indian guests。

It's alright. India already has "semi-bullet" trains.

Delhi-Agra semi-high speed train to be named Gatimaan Express : Uttar Pradesh, News - India Today

If you're confused, Indian semi-bullet trains = normal trains to everyone else. But through the ingenious and indigenous Indian invention known as reclassification or "spraying perfume on pile of turds", they can be at the forefront of mass transit. Similar to when Indians in PDF reclassified most of India from "poor people" to "financially challenged." In that way, India, through the stroke of a pen, was able to lift 500 million Indians out of poverty in about 5 minutes. Amazing! Jai Hind!

 

[cirr]

It's alright. India already has "semi-bullet" trains.

Delhi-Agra semi-high speed train to be named Gatimaan Express : Uttar Pradesh, News - India Today

If you're confused, Indian semi-bullet trains = normal trains to everyone else. But through the ingenious and indigenous Indian invention known as reclassification or "spraying perfume on pile of turds", they can be at the forefront of mass transit. Similar to when Indians in PDF reclassified most of India from "poor people" to "financially challenged." In that way, India, through the stroke of a pen, was able to lift 500 million Indians out of poverty in about 5 minutes. Amazing! Jai Hind!

Smart use of terms by our Indian friends。

Billionares are known to be “financially challenged” at times。

 

[cirr]

Those Tibetans aren't Chinese citizens. They're loyal to the Dalai Lama and "democratic" India. Feel free to do whatever you want with them.

And you speak of charity, but how is being a refugee in India and therefore having an Indian standard of living a "privilege"? To non-lndian people, that's an absolute punishment.

Not to mention these people are living on their own land，our land。

India should return these people and the land on which they live once and for all。

 

[hans]

As far as I see, India will copy the mode of China, exporting his cheap labor to make profit..
India really has a lot of cheap labor....

Our Indian friends long for HSR。Unfortunately they have neither the funds nor the resources to exchange for the funds。That's the concluding remarks made by one Chinese expert who took part in all the negotiations with his Indian guests。

 

[cnleio]

WTH? I object to this, its a security threat.

Threat not to China, there'r billion USD waiting for Chinese and we take it.

 

[cnleio]

we'll buy only equipment....majority of that cash will go to Indian engineering companies. Even the locos will be built in India...India ain't pak

I don't think so, right now Indian engineering companies have ZERO experience to build a high-speed railway, if not India won't need China there to build this line. If the deal done, Chinese companies will come and hire local labors in India but main engineering still built by Chinese workers, coz this's a big railway project and China must make sure the good quality of CRH.

After that if Indian learn building experiences and enough techs, India can start ur high-speed railway project that's not Chinese business.

If India pay money or mineral exchange to China, of course Chinese will provide a good quality engineering project to the price, finish it on schedule and no any delay.

CRH it's a big project :

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

we'll buy only equipment....majority of that cash will go to Indian engineering companies. Even the locos will be built in India...India ain't pak

Apparently you are, since you're coming to China asking for help building a high speed railway.

If you could have done it without us, you would have.