No one willing to challenge govt other than PTI: Imran

[TankMan]

I write on here to promote truth and education. I am a man of my word, try me. I'd love to pay for IK's evaluation and treatment as it is a greater good. Let's see what you could do to help your entire nation.

Someone who could do that would not be wasting time on an internet forum. At the very least, his arguments would make a lot more sense than yours do.
I have never seen or heard of an honest man who wants to promote truth claim to be some very good person while lying constantly. You have clearly LIED a dozen times, that is not including the massive overstatements and exaggerations, strawmen and other logical fallacies you regularly commit. Thus, dear Sir, it is safe to conclude that you are not a man of your word, so please do not say that and stop fooling yourself.

I would recommend that you wake up. There is absolutely no way that a highly educated American man who speaks eleven languages, Is capable of paying for random people's therapy, debating on CNN and fighting for the 'greater good' spends hours of his time ranting on the internet like a twelve year old with a broken Xbox.

The absurdity of your claims is enough to completely discredit each and every one of your arguments yet I still go through the pain of finding proof and evidence to disprove you.

I am sorry to say this Sir but at the end of the day I am laughing over here and you are not making any serious arguments at all. Thus, my confidence in my political beliefs is increasing exponentially, with every sentence you type.

 

[Viper0011.]

I would recommend that you wake up. There is absolutely no way that a highly educated American man who speaks eleven languages, Is capable of paying for random people's therapy, debating on CNN and fighting for the 'greater good' spends hours of his time ranting on the internet like a twelve year old with a broken Xbox.

The only twelve year old here is your IK. The guy's got no agenda, no policy, no office experience. In fact, his leadership including KPK's minister's spend time at his Dance and Fun Show 2014, every night. You couldn't answer me with anything solid. Its all propaganda. When you can tell me why do you support violence back in Pakistan when you enjoy the Queen's gift, a civilian based lifestyle that makes you prosperous in life....we''ll talk. Till then, I am hoping the British law enforcement system is similar to the US that it checks and logs who sends money outside the country that is then used to support violence, etc.

This is the height of naive, arrogant and uncivil behavior. Live in the West and enjoy the system, but wish bad luck and support violence for the people of Pakistan, AND send money to IK on top of it which gives him more power to make more violence based calls and threat. Violence, threats to a society are NEVER welcome. I'll continue to write for Democracy. You can continue to support Violence. We have two different paths here and I don't wish to continue to discuss it with you. You have your conscious and I have mine. I'll preach peaceful right to vote and bring about change and you can continue to support violence and extremism based politics!

 

[fatman17]

the reason no one is challenging the govt. because they all want to preserve this 'fat-cat' system which allows them to loot and plunder the nation's wealth without any hinderence.
majority of the nation is poor and illitrate and this is how these 'fat-cats' want them to be so they are in their 'control'. these people are denied their basic rights.
one dosnt have to agree with IK but one must give credit to him for raising the awareness / conscious of the masses against this corrupt system.

 

[he-man]

I am

On topic,imran khan has gone berserk for the sake of popularity and self promotion.
In kpk i have heard they have once again ammended the school books that were made more scientific and less religious last year??

Is that true?

 

[BetterPakistan]

1) WHO let him HAVE the entire province???? The SAME NS he's turned against. You think NS didn't realize that IK will turn towards him? You think they haven't seen his side before?
What NS did here and in Baluchistan, was probably the BEST example ever set by any ruling party. Everyone in Pakistan is like IK, greedy for his term. But YET, the NS team allowed IK to run a state and respected his mandate EVEN though if they wanted to, they couldn't ruled KPK also. Same thing in Baluchistan, they allowed the Baluch leadership to run the province.
So someone gave IK a helping hand and he tried to cut down the entire arm? He was put on a branch of a tree and now he wants the ENTIRE democratic tree gone BUT he won't resign from his seats?
Am I not following it or this ENTIRE thing sound so irresponsible on IK's end like a high school kid was given this opportunity and he doesn't get it. A guy in his 60's is acting like a 14 year old with rage and changes in hormones!!! Its called Mentally Upset!!! He doesn't understand or appreciate the LOGIC by which NS gave him this prestige to begin with. THAT thing is called Co-Existence. IK doesn't , won't and has never understood team work and co-existence. He's been a cricket captain known for his anger tan turns and harsh treatment and arrogance. Here, he's doing the same. I've met him in person and I knew the first time I met him that he wasn't in his right frame of mind.

2) What has he accomplished that you are so PROUDLY referring to the government of KPK? It's the SAME shi*t hole it was a few years ago. The ONLY thing that is about to change the entire KPK and Baluchistan destiny are the projects NS has brought from China (in the shape of investments). Or the other strategic work already in pips for Dams, Roads and all as National highways, which is ALSO the federal government.

Wake up and realize you are supporting a person with 0 progress, verbal abuse all along, and he's about to turn your next generation into raging, angry lunatics like himself. The next generation of Pakistan will learn to fight, attack others and do protests if they didn't get their ways. This mentally will ALSO play in households, between parents and children, etc. Once you teach children how to behave, that's what they do. This idiot is teaching violence and intolerance to the entire nation. Wake up before its too late!

Again foolish comments. IK created his government in KPK after coalition with Jamat-e-Islami and their seats equal to more than 50% of the seats. Go and check the KPK assembly. PTI won 56 out of 124 seats nad JI won 8 while PML N won only 14 and the independent joined PTI than how NS let him created government? Don't write foolish things said by PR our information minister. NS won the elections by rigging and the 21 halqas opened have proved that the elections was full of rigging that's why your leader NS and his party members isn't letting to open their halqas while IK is ready for doing that. After coming in power IK installed bio metric machines in KPK to eliminate rigging what your leader did in 30-35 years of Punjab and the 3rd time they came in federal government? IK did resigned and his party from their seats in Punjab/Sindh and National Assembly can't you see that? You don't know anything and putting your foolish opinions here first get any information then post here. Go and search what NS have got from china he didn't got anything. Name anything he got? Chinese company came to KPK chief minister and invested $1 Billion in their mega housing scheme project and PTI is bringing $3-5 Billion investment in KPK. Dubai based companies are trying to invest in tourism sector in KPK and Chief Minister Khattak is not going and begging anywhere they are coming in KPK theirselves. !!Shit? Really? You don't know anything what is going on in KPK and the rest 3 provinces. There is change in KPK and the residents says that. Check all the surveys. Wake Up? I guess you are drunk and is saying that you don't anything and you are mentioning your shitty opinions. If I start mentioning what IK has did in KPK you would end up without even reading the full page because it will be so long. Why don't you open up the thread about Naya KPK and search there.

Dude check his recent comments about KPK government and progress works done by NS @Leader @Khalidr @Jazzbot @waleed3601 @Jzaib

 

[Jazzbot]

Again foolish comments. IK created his government in KPK after coalition with Jamat-e-Islami and their seats equal to more than 50% of the seats. Go and check the KPK assembly. PTI won 56 out of 124 seats nad JI won 8 while PML N won only 14 and the independent joined PTI than how NS let him created government? Don't write foolish things said by PR our information minister. NS won the elections by rigging and the 21 halqas opened have proved that the elections was full of rigging that's why your leader NS and his party members isn't letting to open their halqas while IK is ready for doing that. After coming in power IK installed bio metric machines in KPK to eliminate rigging what your leader did in 30-35 years of Punjab and the 3rd time they came in federal government? IK did resigned and his party from their seats in Punjab/Sindh and National Assembly can't you see that? You don't know anything and putting your foolish opinions here first get any information then post here. Go and search what NS have got from china he didn't got anything. Name anything he got? Chinese company came to KPK chief minister and invested $1 Billion in their mega housing scheme project and PTI is bringing $3-5 Billion investment in KPK. Dubai based companies are trying to invest in tourism sector in KPK and Chief Minister Khattak is not going and begging anywhere they are coming in KPK theirselves. !!Shit? Really? You don't know anything what is going on in KPK and the rest 3 provinces. There is change in KPK and the residents says that. Check all the surveys. Wake Up? I guess you are drunk and is saying that you don't anything and you are mentioning your shitty opinions. If I start mentioning what IK has did in KPK you would end up without even reading the full page because it will be so long. Why don't you open up the thread about Naya KPK and search there.

Dude check his recent comments about KPK government and progress works done by NS @Leader @Khalidr @Jazzbot @waleed3601 @Jzaib

Don't you dare say that PTI's govt in KPK isn't a blessing by his highness King Nawaz Sharif bin Abdul Aziz bin Obama. If his highness wanted, he could have formed the govt in KPK even with a single seat and he has total of 14 seats in KPK.

This is how his highness always wins:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=835026163198310

 

[PurpleButcher]

first of all this article is written by the son of cec Mr. Ibrahim and its reply was made by Dr Alvi as following
Rebuttal to Zahid Ebrahim's '10 Myths about Elections' By Awab Alvi

topic already discussed here
Rebuttal to Zahid Ibrahim's 10 Myths about Elections

 

[waleed3601]

1) WHO let him HAVE the entire province????

The people residing in KPK who voted for him

The SAME NS he's turned against

How so? As I said, PTI is incapable of rigging as it isn't involved in corruption so they only won by the legit method : the people voted. How exactly did NS GIVE him the KPK govt? I don't understand please elaborate.

But YET, the NS team allowed IK to run a state and respected his mandate EVEN though if they wanted to, they couldn't ruled KPK also. Same thing in Baluchistan, they allowed the Baluch leadership to run the province.
So someone gave IK a helping hand and he tried to cut down the entire arm? He was put on a branch of a tree and now he wants the ENTIRE democratic tree gone BUT he won't resign from his seats?

The Baloch and KPK govt were formed by the parties people voted for, not the ones Badhshah Salamat chose. And co-existence would've been possible if neither PMLN nor PTI got full majority, then coalition would've been the way, but NS rigged the elections big time from Punjab in so many places, so what kind of fake co-existence are you asking for?

2) What has he accomplished that you are so PROUDLY referring to the government of KPK? It's the SAME shi*t hole it was a few years ago. The ONLY thing that is about to change the entire KPK and Baluchistan destiny are the projects NS has brought from China (in the shape of investments). Or the other strategic work already in pips for Dams, Roads and all as National highways, which is ALSO the federal government.

Wake up and realize you are supporting a person with 0 progress, verbal abuse all along, and he's about to turn your next generation into raging, angry lunatics like himself. The next generation of Pakistan will learn to fight, attack others and do protests if they didn't get their ways. This mentally will ALSO play in households, between parents and children, etc. Once you teach children how to behave, that's what they do. This idiot is teaching violence and intolerance to the entire nation. Wake up before its too late!

1. Please don't spout gibberish if you don't have knowledge of ground realities. KPK has changed much in the past 1.5 years. If I start counting all the improvements PTI has made I'm afraid I might have to write a series of detailed books.
2. Preaching violence? Since when? Where? Please show me too where IK ordered his followers to go and kill all people who are opposed to PTI or even beat them up. He's always preached peace and non-violence, you hate monger.
3. He's not teaching intolerance, he's educating the people on how to stand up for their rights. The people know that the party they voted for did not get their vote instead their vote got registered for someone else. He's teaching the people that the govt runs on the blood and money of the people and so it is the right of the people to demand a better life.

 

[SQ8]

Just as an FYI, the government has been challenged by the PPP(P), the MQM, ANP... and I suppose the PAT were just there on a camping trip to Islamabad.

 

[Jazzbot]

topic already discussed here
Rebuttal to Zahid Ibrahim's 10 Myths about Elections

Yup, I still remember the research I did just to rebut these so called 10 myths about elections. My posts still rests in that thread..

 

[Viper0011.]

The people residing in KPK who voted for him
How so? As I said, PTI is incapable of rigging as it isn't involved in corruption so they only won by the legit method : the people voted. How exactly did NS GIVE him the KPK govt? I don't understand please elaborate.

1. Please don't spout gibberish if you don't have knowledge of ground realities. KPK has changed much in the past 1.5 years. If I start counting all the improvements PTI has made I'm afraid I might have to write a series of detailed books.
2. Preaching violence? Since when? Where? Please show me too where IK ordered his followers to go and kill all people who are opposed to PTI or even beat them up. He's always preached peace and non-violence, you hate monger.
3. He's not teaching intolerance, he's educating the people on how to stand up for their rights. The people know that the party they voted for did not get their vote instead their vote got registered for someone else. He's teaching the people that the govt runs on the blood and money of the people and so it is the right of the people to demand a better life.

- Everyone on here knows NS gave IK the chance of his life by giving him the KPK government in a platter. Now he's trying to cut the same hand who helped him. NS and others were going to make a coalition government but he let IK have it. You and I and everyone else knows it, IK got votes based on his ETHNIC background being a KHAN. Otherwise, there was nothing. Everyone knows on here the tension between the Khan's and others (MQM and PPP) in Karachi / Sindh. IK's support primarily comes from KPK's Pashtun population. You are probably one of them as many of them on here. Its "my guy from my tribe" type of a deal, not that he really brings anything to the table or has brought it. This is the worst show of ethnicity at works, plaguing an entire country and people who support him, don't care about Pakistan. Its about their guy, a Pashtun who needs to run the country.

- Same lying and BS. Where we win, its legal and where we lost, its real. Outside of IK and three of his top lieutenants, there is NO ONE solid in his entire clan from a political standpoint. He has B rated members who couldn't find a place in NS or PPP's team. IK party can't even hold their elections safely and peacefully, how do they run elections across the country peacefully. Every single intra-party elections had bullets fired. This is the extremism part of his team.

- Do you understand what instigating terrorism and extremism means? Educated countries and societies teach tolerance and patience, he's teaching blackmailing, violence, lets go attack the Parliament and lie about it to people? If I try to tell you to go attack a place and then I back out of supporting it, doesn't mean that I didn't say it. There is PLENTY of evidence in the media and other places where he instigated people and threatened the state Police, government and all.

- Leaders provide safety, peaceful and productive teachings to their societies. When you get caught up in greed to be a PM and you are literally putting thousands lives at risk for your personal goals, supported by your ethnic brethren, you are no longer a leader, you are a biased, greedy individual. In this case, a mental patient is showing his true colors and greed for power. Without providing anything so far to the country outside of negative destructive violence based politics. A society is a mere representation of its leaders. IK's followers and their next generations will form another version of an extremist Pakistan where no one respects the law and a mob of a few thousand people could care less about the constitution and law and order, they'll attack whatever they want to and will kill and damage throughout the entire country to have their ways. This is what you are telling me in your post and it is not acceptable to the civilized society.

Also, ready below your "leader's" mental issues, you can see symptoms and diagnose him right away yourself based on what you see him doing, saying, etc:


Hypomania and Mania Symptoms in Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar Disorder Symptoms and Types - WebMD

What is Paranoid Schizophrenia? Symptoms, Causes, Treatments - HealthyPlace

 

[BetterPakistan]

- Everyone on here knows NS gave IK the chance of his life by giving him the KPK government in a platter. Now he's trying to cut the same hand who helped him. NS and others were going to make a coalition government but he let IK have it. You and I and everyone else knows it, IK got votes based on his ETHNIC background being a KHAN. Otherwise, there was nothing. Everyone knows on here the tension between the Khan's and others (MQM and PPP) in Karachi / Sindh. IK's support primarily comes from KPK's Pashtun population. You are probably one of them as many of them on here. Its "my guy from my tribe" type of a deal, not that he really brings anything to the table or has brought it. This is the worst show of ethnicity at works, plaguing an entire country and people who support him, don't care about Pakistan. Its about their guy, a Pashtun who needs to run the country.

- Same lying and BS. Where we win, its legal and where we lost, its real. Outside of IK and three of his top lieutenants, there is NO ONE solid in his entire clan from a political standpoint. He has B rated members who couldn't find a place in NS or PPP's team. IK party can't even hold their elections safely and peacefully, how do they run elections across the country peacefully. Every single intra-party elections had bullets fired. This is the extremism part of his team.

- Do you understand what instigating terrorism and extremism means? Educated countries and societies teach tolerance and patience, he's teaching blackmailing, violence, lets go attack the Parliament and lie about it to people? If I try to tell you to go attack a place and then I back out of supporting it, doesn't mean that I didn't say it. There is PLENTY of evidence in the media and other places where he instigated people and threatened the state Police, government and all.

- Leaders provide safety, peaceful and productive teachings to their societies. When you get caught up in greed to be a PM and you are literally putting thousands lives at risk for your personal goals, supported by your ethnic brethren, you are no longer a leader, you are a biased, greedy individual. In this case, a mental patient is showing his true colors and greed for power. Without providing anything so far to the country outside of negative destructive violence based politics. A society is a mere representation of its leaders. IK's followers and their next generations will form another version of an extremist Pakistan where no one respects the law and a mob of a few thousand people could care less about the constitution and law and order, they'll attack whatever they want to and will kill and damage throughout the entire country to have their ways. This is what you are telling me in your post and it is not acceptable to the civilized society.

Also, ready below your "leader's" mental issues, you can see symptoms and diagnose him right away yourself based on what you see him doing, saying, etc:


Hypomania and Mania Symptoms in Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar Disorder Symptoms and Types - WebMD

What is Paranoid Schizophrenia? Symptoms, Causes, Treatments - HealthyPlace

Man you are a fool. Well, I don't know how NS gave the government to IK. First of all prove that NS was going to create his government in KPK with 14 seats . You don't know that PTI won 54 seats out of 124 and the 3 independent winners came in PTI and QWP and JI joined PTI and their seats become more than 50% so how NS gave government to IK? JUI F and PML N was trying to make their government but both of their seats intotal was about 30 not even equal to PTI so how they let IK formed the government? PTI is the one who hold elections in their party while your leaders don't do that and it's a democratic way and the fight on it is done everywhere in the world it's democratic but your so called democratic leaders run their party with a dictatorship way. Name the intra-party elections where bullets were fired name all of them. OH, 14 people died in Lahore Model town wasn't it extremism? 500 people were sent in hospital by the harmful acts done your leaders in Red Zone wasn't it extremism? Safety? Discipline? Peaceful? Before IK Azadi March were these things present in Pakistan? Your leaders are in power from 30-35 years did they implemented these things? I don't trust these bloody sources you mentioned. A simple thing is you don't have any knowledge, a trustable source and still you are giving your foolish opinions and talking with unvalid points.

Someone please give him any sense of politics and history of Pakistan @Leader @Jzaib @Jazzbot @waleed3601

 

[waleed3601]

- Everyone on here knows NS gave IK the chance of his life by giving him the KPK government in a platter.

As I already asked, how did NS give IK the govt of KPK? I don't understand.
Isn't Pakistan your leaders oh-so-loved and so called 'Jamhooriat'.
How in a jamhooriat can 1 person give govt of a province to another person just like that?
People vote for their preferred candidate and if enough of them fro the same party win then that majority party forms govt in that particular province. Am I right or wrong?? Please enlighten me with your utter bullshit if I'm wrong somewhere.

 

[Viper0011.]

He could have formed the govt in KPK even with a single seat and he has total of 14 seats in KPK.c

That wouldn't have happened. The craziness wouldn't continued in KPK as well and your "leader" would've told people to assault all State buildings of Pakistan. IK is acting like a gangster instead of a mature politician who shows courtesy, keeps nation's benefits above all and respects law, order and the SAME parliament that he was elected from. But instead, he'll use cheap tactics to destroy the country, attack the parliament....BUT won't resign from those seats. This is black mail and sabotage at works. I'd take anyone with a peaceful, national growth based agenda over any crazy macho-man. The macho-man type belongs to a Wrestling arena, not to a civilized country's Parliament!

 

[Viper0011.]

As I already asked, how did NS give IK the govt of KPK? I don't understand.

You haven't answered my previous post, but you wrote a new one. Answer the questions I asked first. If you don't have answers, you don't need to debate with thin-air. Here, I am reposting the questions I've asked you in the previous post already that you totally ignored as you don't have proofs. Thin air produces lying and propaganda and it is what you guys are doing here. NO PROOFS!!
Here, please, for the love of God, anyone of you could answer the following with facts, would be great!

1) Give us proofs on Exports were growing in Musharraff's time and credible details.
2) Business growth internal to Pakistan in Musharraf's time and now in KPK due to IK
3) Safety situation was better (when Musharraff himself got attacked by the Taliban multiple times)
4) Shed lights on different operations that Musharraff had started that actually kidnapped and killed people. There is a REASON why he is being tried in the court for treason and for the missing people. Even though the military doesn't like it.....as of TODAY, he is STILL being tried in the court. That's a fact.
5) Proofs of every day corruption in Pakistan for 120 Million Dollars BY the elected government. I'd like to see NAMES and AMOUNTS with proofs!!!
6) Proof that Health facilities and educational facilities were MUCH better in Musharraf's time (when the fact is that the current government has exploded the educational system and universities where they can, Punjab and Sindh are an example)
7) Proof that IK's government is better than everyone else (when the entire governing body is too busy in the sit ins for the past two or so months and they haven't made ONE strong project or foreign investment case to anyone, including the world bank, the IMF, etc)
How about you give me proof. NOT articles, not IK said, legal proofs such as court papers, legal documents, world bank, IMF or other investment house reports on your claims about economy and so forth. If you don't have anything to substantiate your claim, quit wasting Oxygen and the Disk space on this forum. You don't have to respond to my post as I don't want to debate with people who have no sense of reality and everything is just done verbally. Lying and running your mouth just shows accusations out of thin air. Nothing solid. Show me proofs!