No doubt China has confidence in its HQ-9s

[Destro]

Why are we making fun of Russia? Without them we wouldn't have an airforce.

Russia is still decades ahead of China in so many areas its not even funny.

 

[S10]

Why are we making fun of Russia? Without them we wouldn't have an airforce.

Russia is still decades ahead of China in so many areas its not even funny.

Decades ahead? Did you time travel forward from the 1990's?

Russia suffered almost a generation of brain drain from 1991 to early 2000's. It was only after oil prices skyrocketed that they were able to put some funding back into R&D. On the other hand, during those years China was experiencing double digit growth and pouring money into research. All these advanced weapons programs today are actually started during that era. While in some areas we might still be a few years behind, there is no generation gap in technology between China and Russia.

Furthermore, Russian industrial sector is a shadow of its former USSR self, while China has replaced United States as the world's largest industrial power. The backbone of technological advancement is precisely industry. Russia has now become reliant on Chinese machine tools for its manufacturing. Your post demonstrate a lack of knowledge in the progress of China it's not even funny.

It seems that the image of China being an isolated third world country still lingers, despite facts to the contrary.

 

[ptldM3]

Decades ahead? Did you time travel forward from the 1990's?

Russia suffered almost a generation of brain drain from 1991 to early 2000's. It was only after oil prices skyrocketed that they were able to put some funding back into R&D. On the other hand, during those years China was experiencing double digit growth and pouring money into research. All these advanced weapons programs today are actually started during that era. While in some areas we might still be a few years behind, there is no generation gap in technology between China and Russia.

Furthermore, Russian industrial sector is a shadow of its former USSR self, while China has replaced United States as the world's largest industrial power. The backbone of technological advancement is precisely industry. Russia has now become reliant on Chinese machine tools for its manufacturing. Your post demonstrate a lack of knowledge in the progress of China it's not even funny.

It seems that the image of China being an isolated third world country still lingers, despite facts to the contrary.

Source please.

 

[grey boy 2]

Source please.

Eastern Siberia and the Far East of Russia as Prospective Chinese Sources of Raw Materials<br /> - The Constructive Project

 

[ptldM3]

Eastern Siberia and the Far East of Russia as Prospective Chinese Sources of Raw Materials<br /> - The Constructive Project

so where does it state or show in that 2008 illustration that Russia's manufacturing is dependent on China?

 

[grey boy 2]

so where does it state or show in that 2008 illustration that Russia's manufacturing is dependent on China?

Well, either you're blind or simply wanted to play dumb for ignoring the facts that 54% machinery and equipment imported from China and only 5% of your's exported to China in 2008. boy, you're simply hopeless.

 

[ptldM3]

Well, either you're blind or simply wanted to play dumb for ignoring the facts that 54% machinery and equipment imported from China and only 5% of your's exported to China in 2008. boy, you're simply hopeless.

Show me proof that that equipment is for manufacturing. If Russia imports snow plows or dump trucks what does it have to do with manufacturing?

If you had critical thinking skills you would have thought out these things, but I guess for you vague statistics can be manipulated in anyway you see fit.

 

[S10]

Source please.

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[ptldM3]

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That didn't say anything about Russia being dependent on China for machining tools. Zero evidence was provided. So where is the proof that Russia's manufacturing is dependent on Chinese machining tools?

 

[sovcomflot]

That didn't say anything about Russia being dependent on China for machining tools. Zero evidence was provided. So where is the proof that Russia's manufacturing is dependent on Chinese machining tools?

In the oil and gas industry,chinese oil rigs are considered inferior quality.Russian and US rigs are preferred. Russia has its own machine tools for defence industries.

Chinese are real trolls here.

 

[S10]

That didn't say anything about Russia being dependent on China for machining tools. Zero evidence was provided. So where is the proof that Russia's manufacturing is dependent on Chinese machining tools?

When you need to fabricate parts with foreign imported machine tools, you're dependent. It is an increasing trend in the trade pattern between China and Russia, where China imports raw resources while Russia import finished products.

In the oil and gas industry,chinese oil rigs are considered inferior quality.Russian and US rigs are preferred. Russia has its own machine tools for defence industries.

Chinese are real trolls here.

Only because Russia has developed oil rigs for longer, and China will catch up. It's a matter of time. China has 11 times the funding for R&D compared to Russia, just behind United States. It's not if China will surpass Russia, but when. I would say we're pretty close to getting there, just need a few more years.

 

[sovcomflot]

When you need to fabricate parts with foreign imported machine tools, you're dependent. It is an increasing trend in the trade pattern between China and Russia, where China imports raw resources while Russia import finished products.


Only because Russia has developed oil rigs for longer, and China will catch up. It's a matter of time. China has 11 times the funding for R&D compared to Russia, just behind United States. It's not if China will surpass Russia, but when. I would say we're pretty close to getting there, just need a few more years.

you have not proved that Russian defence industry is dependent on Chinese machine tools. Plus I hear a lot of complaints about chinese industrial goods and chinese machine tool quality.

And China is global manufacturer of consumer products.Almost all nations import consumer products from China.What are you trying to prove.

Plus ,russians prefer using local or german machine tools.Like recently a russian titanium component maker ordered german machine tools from MAG for production of Boeing components.

 

[grey boy 2]

you have not proved that Russian defence industry is dependent on Chinese machine tools. Plus I hear a lot of complaints about chinese industrial goods and chinese machine tool quality.

And China is global manufacturer of consumer products.Almost all nations import consumer products from China.What are you trying to prove.

Plus ,russians prefer using local or german machine tools.Like recently a russian titanium component maker ordered german machine tools from MAG for production of Boeing components.

Our argument has nothing to do with "defence industrial" but about whether or not Russia manufacturing industrial dependent on the overall Chinese machine tools.

BTW, you can keep up with your bias so-called Chinese inferior low tech products personal rants, however eventually "facts" will speak for itself

An advanced computer numerical control (CNC) machine tool was shipped to Germany from northeast China's port city of Dalian on Wednesday in the country's first export of cutting-edge equipment to a developed economy.

The high-speed five-axis vertical machining center, which consists of a numerical control system, a servo drive and an electric motor manufactured by Dalian Kede Numerical Control Co. Ltd, will be transported to Knuth Werkzeugmaschinen Gmbh, a leading global machine tools supplier based in Germany.

China-made advanced machine tool exported to Germany - China.org.cn
Get a life instead of being a cheap cheerleader of your imaginary so-called Russian friend

 

[sovcomflot]

Our argument has nothing to do with "defence industrial" but about whether or not Russia manufacturing industrial dependent on the overall Chinese machine tools.

BTW, you can keep up with your bias so-called Chinese inferior low tech products personal rants, however eventually "facts" will speak for itself


China-made advanced machine tool exported to Germany - China.org.cn
Get a life instead of being a cheap cheerleader of your imaginary so-called Russian friend

An advanced computer numerical control (CNC) machine tool was shipped to Germany from northeast China's port city of Dalian on Wednesday in the country's first export of cutting-edge equipment to a developed economy

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...has-confidence-its-hq-9s-9.html#ixzz2hCnjsdAO

First export to developed economy in 2013 too.

BTW, you can keep up with your bias so-called Chinese inferior low tech products personal rants, however eventually "facts" will speak for itself

I happen to know people in ONGC and Shell. What they say about Chinese oil rig quality speaks volumes.

BTW, you can keep up with your bias so-called Chinese inferior low tech products personal rants, however eventually "facts" will speak for itself

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...has-confidence-its-hq-9s-9.html#ixzz2hCo9rqjr

Like the low quality trains you sold to your ally ,Pakistan?

Our argument has nothing to do with "defence industrial" but about whether or not Russia manufacturing industrial dependent on the overall Chinese machine tools.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...has-confidence-its-hq-9s-9.html#ixzz2hCoSyM9w

No proof there that Russian high tech defence manufacturing is dependent.Defence industry is essential to national security.So forget it that they will use low quality Chinese machine tools.

Improve your industrial goods and oil rig quality.Call me then.

Even Russian titanium and civilian industry prefers german machine tools. Call me when your quality of machine tools is comparable to German.Or oil rigs is comparable to Russian/american.

 

[english_man]

ive forgotton what this thread is all about...........keep it up lads!