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" in name of democracy or on the name of human Rights promote those persons who are mentally corrupte and don't have any ideology."

There is nothing wrong with representative democracy or human rights.
Who decides who is mentally corrupt ?? Is there even a definition ?

Who decides who have ideology ? And who does not ? There is unwritten assumption that people should have an ideology.

Well the enemy who wants to destroy you what sort of rulers would support his cause?, the honest one or the corrupte one?why the westerns and American always want democracy in Pakistan and monarchy in middle East, why they denied the democracy for Aljjazire and Egypt, mean while they were very concerned for democracy in Iraq and Libya and they all they wanted to restore democracy their or some thing else,? What they gave to Iraq and Libya on the name democracy! Instability and terror,and steel their crude oil and dumped that near Canadian border, as for ideology is concerned why they tried to topple the turkash democratic govt because Tayab urdagon is a Islamic nationalist, and Marrsi has the same ideology, as for mentally corrupte person selection they don't need to bother much foreign asset and transactions and speak loud and clear. In a mentally ill is that person who have all the resources but yet remains unable to change the fate of his nation ( khashwant sing) these people are easy to pick and invest on .
 
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Well the enemy who wants to destroy you what sort of rulers would support his cause?, the honest one or the corrupte one?why the westerns and American always want democracy in Pakistan and monarchy in middle East, why they denied the democracy for Aljjazire and Egypt, mean while they were very concerned for democracy in Iraq and Libya and they all they wanted to restore democracy their or some thing else,? What they gave to Iraq and Libya on the name democracy! Instability and terror,and steel their crude oil and dumped that near Canadian border, as for ideology is concerned why they tried to topple the turkash democratic govt because Tayab urdagon is a Islamic nationalist, and Marrsi has the same ideology, as for mentally corrupte person selection they don't need to bother much foreign asset and transactions and speak loud and clear. In a mentally ill is that person who have all the resources but yet remains unable to change the fate of his nation ( khashwant sing) these people are easy to pick and invest on .

You are a Pakistani. what system do you want Pakistan to have ?
 
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You are a Pakistani. what system do you want Pakistan to have ?
Let's have referendum on this ,you will find what Pakistani want , and will you please tell me why your Ex p.m was afraid of being killed by CIA ,because he had Indian nationalist ideology,
 
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The person u replied to...is an indian...so obviously he would disagree and make fun of you...so dont bother to reply him, when u know he is just trolling

On topic : Cant agree more, with the OP... The sooner, our security instituitions realises this, the better.. Its become an existential threat for Pakistan.. Pakistan cant survive longer, if we continue to have the same system... Theres a dire need for ruthless accountability of our elites....otherwise we are doomed... NROed democracy was a grand trap set up by our enemies... Our security instituitions..must get us out this notorious system...otherwise...things will only get from bad to worse... Theres no autocorrect in this system... Therrs a dire need for complete overhaul of this system, with ruthless accountability..for few years..and after tht we can have elections..but no matter how many elections take place under the current system, situation will only get worse and we might end up like syria..where those, who can save Pakistan now, wont be able to do much then, either... So they must wakeup before its too late

Another military coup, is that what you are asking for? a real possibility considering recent turn of events.
 
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Let's have referendum on this ,you will find what Pakistani want , and will you please tell me why your Ex p.m was afraid of being killed by CIA ,because he had Indian nationalist ideology,

you do not hold a referendum on something as complex as setting your system of government
 
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Another military coup, is that what you are asking for? a real possibility considering recent turn of events.

No... I am not asking for tht..am asking for civilian technocratic setup...

Anyways....this thread was clearly created by the member to address Pakistanis..why are u Indians so interested in it? Why cant u guys leave some subjects to be discussed by Pakistanis, for some serious discussion and not troll everywhere?
 
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The person u replied to...is an indian...so obviously he would disagree and make fun of you...so dont bother to reply him, when u know he is just trolling

On topic : Cant agree more, with the OP... The sooner, our security instituitions realises this, the better.. Its become an existential threat for Pakistan.. Pakistan cant survive longer, if we continue to have the same system... Theres a dire need for ruthless accountability of our elites....otherwise we are doomed... NROed democracy was a grand trap set up by our enemies... Our security instituitions..must get us out this notorious system...otherwise...things will only get from bad to worse... Theres no autocorrect in this system... Therrs a dire need for complete overhaul of this system, with ruthless accountability..for few years..and after tht we can have elections..but no matter how many elections take place under the current system, situation will only get worse and we might end up like syria..where those, who can save Pakistan now, wont be able to do much then, either... So they must wakeup before its too late[/QUOTE
The person u replied to...is an indian...so obviously he would disagree and make fun of you...so dont bother to reply him, when u know he is just trolling

On topic : Cant agree more, with the OP... The sooner, our security instituitions realises this, the better.. Its become an existential threat for Pakistan.. Pakistan cant survive longer, if we continue to have the same system... Theres a dire need for ruthless accountability of our elites....otherwise we are doomed... NROed democracy was a grand trap set up by our enemies... Our security instituitions..must get us out this notorious system...otherwise...things will only get from bad to worse... Theres no autocorrect in this system... Therrs a dire need for complete overhaul of this system, with ruthless accountability..for few years..and after tht we can have elections..but no matter how many elections take place under the current system, situation will only get worse and we might end up like syria..where those, who can save Pakistan now, wont be able to do much then, either... So they must wakeup before its too late
Thanks for telling me about that Indian, I'm new here so don't know most of the members, I totally agree what you have said ,I just wanted to point out that how the global establishments have deep painitrated in our systems we need to wake up now ,we want our establishment to decided for us not take pressure form others,
 
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Thanks for telling me about that Indian, I'm new here so don't know most of the members, I totally agree what you have said ,I just wanted to point out that how the global establishments have deep painitrated in our systems we need to wake up now ,we want our establishment to decided for us not take pressure form others,

Its not abt a particular indian member... Most of them, infact almost all of them, come on Pakistan related threads, ones which doesnt concern them at all..and they just troll,make fun and they donot let us have any serious discussion.. They will take the therad to irrelevant discussion..they will poke their nose into every Pakistan related thread.. AND if the topic or discussion is somehow related to Pakistan army...then......its their birth right to make fun of them, oppose them..and whatnot..

There are very few indians who like to have serious discussions, otherwise, they only troll... So dont bother replying to them, if u sense tht
 
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No... I am not asking for tht..am asking for civilian technocratic setup...

Anyways....this thread was clearly created by the member to address Pakistanis..why are u Indians so interested in it? Why cant u guys leave some subjects to be discussed by Pakistanis, for some serious discussion and not troll everywhere?
Indians are like Phupis who have more interest in your report card than their own children.
No matter how much they prosper, their self esteem is linked with us. Years of ISI phobic Bollywood has created generations fascinated with Pakistan. Years of being ravaged by north westerly hordes has created a never ending sub conscious fear.
 
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Another military coup, is that what you are asking for? a real possibility considering recent turn of events.
Is in Russia ,China , n.Korea, or in Iran a military coup? Yet they are able spank the Anglo American establishments and have served best to preserve their integrity and national interests,they have achievd this by trusting their establishments and by not labeling them as rogue,
 
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Indians are like Phupis who have more interest in your report card than their own children.
No matter how much they prosper, their self esteem is linked with us. Years of ISI phobic Bollywood has created generations fascinated with Pakistan. Years of being ravaged by north westerly hordes has created a never ending sub conscious fear.

So true... Why dont they mind their own business? Chalo..even if they want to have some serious discussion..then thts acceptable atleast... But their only purpose is to troll and derail threads... They have some serious obsession with Pakistan...
 
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No... I am not asking for tht..am asking for civilian technocratic setup...

Anyways....this thread was clearly created by the member to address Pakistanis..why are u Indians so interested in it? Why cant u guys leave some subjects to be discussed by Pakistanis, for some serious discussion and not troll everywhere?

civilian technocratic setups do not work unless you have political will
you are assuming the masses will go along with the recommendations of the civilian technocratic setup
 
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Indians are like Phupis who have more interest in your report card than their own children.
No matter how much they prosper, their self esteem is linked with us. Years of ISI phobic Bollywood has created generations fascinated with Pakistan. Years of being ravaged by north westerly hordes has created a never ending sub conscious fear.
Sir don't assume Indians like phuphies,had my grand parents given birth to such phophi I would have killed them ,
 
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Indians are like Phupis who have more interest in your report card than their own children.
No matter how much they prosper, their self esteem is linked with us. Years of ISI phobic Bollywood has created generations fascinated with Pakistan. Years of being ravaged by north westerly hordes has created a never ending sub conscious fear.

ignoring the rhetoric of the Indian media any serious military officer or bureaucrat knows Indian military can beat back easily any horde from the North West

When was the last time anyone from the Northwest attacked city of Delhi ? 1761 ?? It is 250+ years ago and counting
 
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Pakistan is being facing a multilayered war one which is visible and other which is being implanted in our own society which we are happyly tolerating ,that war is being caried out to destroy our country by destroying our infrastructure and economy by the hands of our own people,its known fact that if you want to destroy your enemy destroy the morale and sink that nation to the level where they get ready to become puddles easily.Best way to do this is to implant thiefs and corrupts to the higher posts of that country this is being happening with us since last ten or more years . let's see how they do this,
1) in name of democracy or on the name of human Rights promote those persons who are mentally corrupte and don't have any ideology.
2) bring these people to power and then make them afraid of their crimes to make them further obedient.
3)infiltrate to the institutionnal bureaucracy and make them corrupt as they can sabotage the grass root level infrastructure development.
4) provide that corrupt bureaucracy the shelter of already implanted politicians,and make their exsistane correlated.,
5)support that corrupt system ,either democractic ,monarchy, or dictatorship, which ever serves you better,
6) keep that nation illiterate as long as possible because illiterate society is very prone to adopt extremism,
7)don't not let the economy to grow,because hungry and starving are easy to buy, and they also don't have any thing to loose for which they should worry
8) hit to the core of any institution which stands in the way ,if its army then bind it with the laws of so called pseudo democracy or give them lolly pop, and if its judiciary buy it or bound it to the constitution developed by the corrupte pollutions., and if by Chance any politician becomes patriot ,elliminate it.
9)implant your propaganda houses to divert the nationalism thoughts by humanitarian deceptions.
10)divide the nations on the ethnic basis or on the basis of religion if they are Muslims divert the jehad to the JEHAD with in the Islam, I don't think that we haven't adopted to all these things we are not displeasing our enemies .Having said this all that I have all the right to believe that we are ostrichs, all of us, from peoples to establishment, when the new generation of the nation is brutally massacred by our enemies and we are just seeing it and letting it happen because we are bound to the above laws which are manipulated by our enemies, India or any other doesn't need to fire a bullet at us because they don't need to do so they have seeded well their puppets and puddle in us which are bound to get their job done.
All these points you have mentioned here is also applicable for India and Indian government too. I guess these are part of the problem.

If I understand correctly in democracy rules were written perfectly and the politicians has to follow the rule and improve the lives of the citizens.
To make sure these politicians do their work properly the democratic system have four important things:

- Supreme Court
- Election Commission
- Press
- Government Officials

Out of which the Government officials join hands with the politicians and suppress the other three. From my point of view Government officials are the main culprits. Politicians won't even know the loop holes in the system without the help from these officials.

These are the problems of every democratic system in the world. I guess only complete transparency in the system can fix this problem (like the government has to publish all the govt tender and contracts online and the reason for selecting that when compared to the competitors etc ... ).
 
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