Next-Gen Chinese AAM for JF-17 Block III

[Bratva]

 

[Bratva]

However the latest images (November 2016) indicated that PL-15 has 4 tail control fins only (coupled with TVC?) and is significantly longer and thicker than PL-12 (length 5.8m, diameter 300mm). Its large size suggests the missile is actually a new class of LRAAM and not a PL-12 replacement. As the result it cannot be carried internally by the 4th generation fighters such as J-20 but is expected to be carried externally by 3.5th generation long-range fighters/interceptors such as J-11D and J-16. However it may still be carried externally by J-20 underneath its wings. The missile appears to be propelled by a dual pulse rocket motor in favor of a ramjet engine, which has a smaller drag and a slimmer size. It is also speculated to fly a semi-ballistic trajectory similar to American AIM-54 in order to achieve an extra long range (range>300km, speed>Mach 4, cruising altitude 30km). PL-15 is believed to feature an advancedguidance system including a two-way datalink and a new active/passive dual mode AESA seeker with enhanced ECCM capability. Before the launch the missile must obtain the target information via datalink from an AWACS, a land-based long-range radar or even a satellite. The launch aircraft returns to base right after releasing the missile.

After the initial ascent stage, the missile may use Beidou/GPS+INS+datalink guidance during the mid-course cruising stage. At the terminal diving stage, in combination with the AESA seeker, it may also use an IIR seeker as indicated by a small optical window in its nose, which further increases its kill probability amid severejamming.Therefore this LRAAM could pose a serious threat to high-value aerial targets deep behind the enemy line such as AWACS and tankers, and currently is the only type in this class. It was rumored in November 2016 that a PL-15 was test-fired successfully from a J-16.



More info and technical data regarding this new mysterious Dual Guidance Missile

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-aam.t1481/page-24

 

[Hassan Guy]

Im sure PL-15 can be integrated on JF-17 Block 3.

 

[Basel]

These two missiles will transform the capabilities of JF-17s upcoming blocks.

Not 2 missiles but 3 because OP forgot about future spear head of PLAAF the PL-21D Sino meteor.

 

[Bratva]

It's two years since first news of PL-10 and PL-15 came from china. They both have been made operationalized and are becoming a reality to be the default armament of Block-III

 

[Readerdefence]

It's two years since first news of PL-10 and PL-15 came from china. They both have been made operationalized and are becoming a reality to be the default armament of Block-III

Hi I think basically pl15 can be considered as a awacs and tanker killer as to detect stealth is little bit arduous any enlightened input from you will be appreciated
Thx

 

[Incog_nito]

Why not AWC talk with EU for Meteor and may be to license produce it. Later versions can be made for SAM and Naval SAM.

 

[Sameer25]

FC-31 4th or 5th gen

Gen 5

Why not AWC talk with EU for Meteor and may be to license produce it. Later versions can be made for SAM and Naval SAM.

i really want the meteor missle. idk if we can get it tho since, india is a user and we arent that close with france

 

[The SC]

FC-31 4th or 5th gen

4th in the Chinese calendar and 5th in the Western calendar..

 

[Sameer25]

4th in the Chinese calendar and 5th in the Western calendar..

what do you mean by calender

 

[The SC]

what do you mean by calender

Classification of Fighters' generations.. (calendar was a joke..)
According to Chinese classification the J-10 is a 3rd generation while in the the western classification it is a 4th generation.. the same applies to the JF-17.. but for 5th G, I think they comply with the Western classification..

 

[SQ8]

It's two years since first news of PL-10 and PL-15 came from china. They both have been made operationalized and are becoming a reality to be the default armament of Block-III

I certainly doubt it, the Sd-10b maybe but as such the PAF will not induct a longer range bvraam to increase its logistics and training headaches.

The pl-10 might come but the PAF was looking at another direction

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I certainly doubt it, the Sd-10b maybe but as such the PAF will not induct a longer range bvraam to increase its logistics and training headaches.

The pl-10 might come but the PAF was looking at another direction

The PAF should be keeping an eye on increasing the acquisition range of BVRAAM than just the overall range of the BVRAAM itself. The former would provide a deeper fire-and-forget coverage, relieving the JF-17 from relying on lock-on-after-launch tactics at long-range, a potential necessity against dangerous targets like the Su-30MKI. This is going to depend on advances in seeker technology, which you can apply to the SD-10 platform and get dividends.

 

[CriticalThought]

The PAF should be keeping an eye on increasing the acquisition range of BVRAAM than just the overall range of the BVRAAM itself. The former would provide a deeper fire-and-forget coverage, relieving the JF-17 from relying on lock-on-after-launch tactics at long-range, a potential necessity against dangerous targets like the Su-30MKI. This is going to depend on advances in seeker technology, which you can apply to the SD-10 platform and get dividends.

Sir, there is no such thing as fire-and-forget missile. As a veteran American F-16 pilot said, as BVR technology keeps getting better, so do the counter-measures. Which is why WVR will never go out of fashion. Also, during peace time, you would never fire a BVR at a transgressing aircraft. You would always visually ID them, at which point it would be a WVR game.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Sir, there is no such thing as fire-and-forget missile. As a veteran American F-16 pilot said, as BVR technology keeps getting better, so do the counter-measures. Which is why WVR will never go out of fashion. Also, during peace time, you would never fire a BVR a transgressing aircrafts. You would always visually ID them, at which point it would be a WVR game.

Only true in the context of past and most current BVRAAM where the acquisition zone of the terminal seeker is relatively short, which either pushes you closer to WVR territory (to lock with the radar's terminal seeker only) or to keep your radar painted to the target (to maintain the missile's course to the target before its terminal seeker activates). But if you enter Meteor territory, then that terminal stage is much deeper than the AMRAAM C5, and will only get deeper from here on once AESA seekers come into play.