New Muslim alliance: Zakir Naik brings Pakistan, Malaysia, Turkey & Qatar closer

[GHALIB]

I hope you just go to youtube and hear the remarks and comments about Pakistan the zakir naik guy has.
Seriously, the theories you make must atleast be sound. Not just an arrow in the thin air.

once he was a patriotic indian , now he is supporting pakistan , ultimately he will return to india once BJP govt loses power in centre . zakir sahab will apologise for his anti india statements and will settle down as a deshbhagat musalman again.
no problem .

 

[surge]

i am a patriotic rajput muslim of hindustan , i am proud of my hindu ancestors .
i have no relation with md bin qasim, ghaznavi, ghauri,khilzi ,babar ,aurangzeb, khalid bin walid, salauddin ayubi ,or irtugrul ghazi . you may be .
vande matram. jaisriram .



that's right . he is just praising his motherland india .

Can you explain yourself a little more? you are proud of your HINDU ancestors... any specific reason? you have no relation with any Muslim invador.... how can? you are a Muslim bcuz of them as you claim? how can one be a Muslim and consider religion as evil? how can one believe in Islam and be secular and claims that religion is a personal thing? your answer may change our thinking about our religion... please do..

 

[GHALIB]

Can you explain yourself a little more? you are proud of your HINDU ancestors... any specific reason? you have no relation with any Muslim invador.... how can? you are a Muslim bcuz of them as you claim? how can one be a Muslim and consider religion as evil? how can one believe in Islam and be secular and claims that religion is a personal thing? your answer may change our thinking about our religion... please do..

how can you be proud of your oppressors and looters invaders who came to loot and destroy your country .

 

[Pakistansdefender]

once he was a patriotic indian , now he is supporting pakistan , ultimately he will return to india once BJP govt loses power in centre . zakir sahab will apologise for his anti india statements and will settle down as a deshbhagat musalman again.
no problem .

Really?
Calling Delhi pogrom bad makes him anti Indian?
Calling modi our on hinduvata policies is bad?
The racism Muslims face daily and someone raising the issue is bad?
Yar what is your criteria of being an anti Indian. Sometimes you Indian baffle me .
That man practically hates Pakistan.
Doesn't it makes him the most pro India person. But that means he would take the in just beating for no reason.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

He has shown no hatred for Pakistan, it is just his opinion that colonial divide and rule was not a good result for the Muslims as combined 500 million Muslims would have been more powerful.

If Pakistan wasn't created, we would all be slaves of indian hindus/sikhs and under their oppression. The unique racial identity of the Pakistan people, our way of life and heritage would also have been vanquished.

 

[surge]

how can you be proud of your oppressors and looters invaders who came to loot and destroy your country .

Please answer all of the questions, we all want to learn from you today

 

[Itachi]

If he said something against partition in the past, I can overlook it, because as of now he is one of the major Non-Pakistani scholars who is supporting the Kashmiri cause 100%.

Exactly....opinions change over time. Zakir Naik only shared his opinion. @PAKISTANFOREVER is known for his extremist views. I would take anything he says with a big grain of salt...including calling Zakir Naik "Kaffir"....which in itself lowers the rank of a Muslim in the sight of Allah.

As for the source, it's Indian, I would read it with a big grain of salt also.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

how can you be proud of your oppressors and looters invaders who came to loot and destroy your country .

It is statements like these which make me doubt who you say you are.

Exactly....opinions change over time. Zakir Naik only shared his opinion. @PAKISTANFOREVER is known for his extremist views. I would take anything he says with a big grain of salt...including calling Zakir Naik "Kaffir"....which in itself lowers the rank of a Muslim in the sight of Allah.

As for the source, it's Indian, I would read it with a big grain of salt also.

No, he is not extreme, that is actually the wrong word. He is a tough patriot, and even that has a place and time for it. Sometimes Indians, Muslims and Hindus, need to be explosed to tough Pakistani views as well.

We Pakistanis generally are too lenient against these characters.

I respect our Pakistani brother for his views, and he is also correct in a way too. Maybe I wouldn't go so far in making takfir on Indian Muslims who opposed Pakistan, but definitely there is a shortage of mindset or understanding of these people.

For what its worth, I am still a fan of Zakir Naik, he has done great service for Islam, however I would not want someone like that leading my country.

there is no recorded history but gazateer of oudh and people say in my village they became muslim after first panipat war , bachgoti rajputs of sultanpur fought on the side of ibrahim lodi , during aftermath of the war defeated hindus were made muslims.majority of bachgoti rajputs are hindu in sultanpur . but they consider muslim branch as their elders .

That is indeed an interesting story, but I find this bolded statement supicious.

So you do not believe Muslims can convert of their own free will?

I ask this because this directly contradicts Islam, sources are Quran 10:99, 2:256.

Any proper Muslim would have already known that @surge

once he was a patriotic indian , now he is supporting pakistan , ultimately he will return to india once BJP govt loses power in centre . zakir sahab will apologise for his anti india statements and will settle down as a deshbhagat musalman again.
no problem .

Strange statement again for a Muslim to make. This is a kind of mindset typical in Hindus. @xeuss @jamahir Thoughts?

 

[xeuss]

Strange statement again for a Muslim to make. This is a kind of mindset typical in Hindus. @xeuss @jamahir Thoughts?

Why are your surprised? There are all kinds of Muslims. Irrespective of country of origin, there will be always the Mir Jafars.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why are your surprised? There are all kinds of Muslims. Irrespective of country of origin, there will be always the Mir Jafars.

From what you have seen of him, do you believe he is a Muslim?

 

[xeuss]

From what you have seen of him, do you believe he is a Muslim?

He claims he is, so I have no reason to doubt him.

He has chosen to overlook the suffering of Muslims and chosen to side with the Sanghis. There are many people like that. History is littered with Mir Jafars.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He claims he is, so I have no reason to doubt him.

He has an established identity. You cannot one day wake up and change your mind.

Although unrelated to this guy, at what point do we make a distinction between a Muslim and Kaffir? It is like if a "Muslim" was fighting on the side of Kuffar and making excuses for them during Prophet Muhammad saws lifetime.

Do we have to wait for these characters to openly rape and brutalize people in Delhi to wake up?

 

[xeuss]

He has an established identity. You cannot one day wake up and change your mind.

Although unrelated to this guy, at what point do we make a distinction between a Muslim and Kaffir? It is like if a "Muslim" was fighting on the side of Kuffar and making excuses for them during Prophet Muhammad saws lifetime.

Do we have to wait for these characters to openly rape and brutalize people in Delhi to wake up?

I prefer to avoid usurping the domain of Allah and judging people as kafir. We can surely state that some acts (shirk etc) would never be forgiven, provided the person who committed them never repented. However, as long as a person is alive, he does have the opportunity to repent, no matter how deviant of act it is.

History always remembers those who oppress, and those who side with the oppressors, with disgust. Today, no one remembers the Mongols with anything other than a disgust and revulsion.

On a side note, I know this one Muslim physician in one of the cities in India who joined the BJP, ostensibly thinking it would help his political career. His wife left him. His children left him. His practice suffered. Today, he is living a miserable life, all alone. Muslims don't talk to him. His Sanghi benefactors don't need him anymore.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I prefer to avoid usurping the domain of Allah and judging people as kafir. We can surely state that some acts (shirk etc) would never be forgiven, provided the person who committed them never repented. However, as long as a person is alive, he does have the opportunity to repent, no matter how deviant of act it is.

History always remembers those who oppress, and those who side with the oppressors, with disgust. Today, no one remembers the Mongols with anything other than a disgust and revulsion.

On a side note, I know this one Muslim physician in one of the cities in India who joined the BJP, ostensibly thinking it would help his political career. His wife left him. His children left him. His practice suffered. Today, he is living a miserable life, all alone. Muslims don't talk to him. His Sanghi benefactors don't need him anymore.

I have noticed that acceptable behavior for a Muslim in India is much wider than in Pakistan. Many of the Muslims here would be declared and judged by society as atheist commies. We had a very bad experience with socialism and communism, both domestically and geopolitically.

Your point is valid, generally, however in this case I do not buy the lame excuses of @GHALIB . He has shown absolute zero knowledge of Islam and Muslim belief, therefore I assume him as another Hindutva troll, as I previously did.

 

[surge]

Any proper Muslim would have already known that @surge

That's why I asked him some elementary questions just so that he can expose his knowledge or his feeling towards Muslims. btw we should avoid judging a person to be muslim or not, as in the eyes of the law at least in this world it does not matter.