Nawaz to be released tomorrow?

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

I didn't call him a Kafir. I called him a Yuhoodi Agent.

You called his ex wife a kafir.

 

[Lincoln]

It would be your right to not fund a RAW agent.

Indeed, it is my right had it been proven completely without any small doubt that he was a R&AW agent. Similarly, should it be proved that Imran Khan is a Jewish leader planted by Ahmadi's, I have that right too.

But there is no proof for that, why assume things on the basis of pure hate and speculation. I am no PTI fan or PMLN fan. But, unless we have decisive proof which leaves no doubt, we should not speculate and refuse to perform our responsibilities on that speculation.

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)

And fulfill the covenant of Allah when you have taken it, [O believers], and do not break oaths after their confirmation while you have made Allah , over you, a witness. Indeed, Allah knows what you do.
16:91

By living in the State of Pakistan and owning citizenship, you are under agreement with the Government in which you are obliged to pay the State taxes.

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.
5:8

Hope it helps.

 

[truthseer]

You called his ex wife a kafir.

Do Muslims sleep with non-Muslims?

As I said,

“پٹواری تلف تو کیا جا سکتا ہے، اسکی اصلاح نا ممکن”

Lol, PTI is the real cult. Always supporting U-Turn Khan. You were over the moon when Qadiani was appointed. When Noon league forced Islam back in to the committee, you said IK is right now

Why would I cry. Although I didn't vote for imran Khan, I'm damn happy their in power. Whereas you lost in Punjab, federal, and Balochistan. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] You should be the one crying. PTI made government In 2 provinces, the federal government, and is a coalition partner in Balochistan. Who's crying now? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji12]

Rigging

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)

Why was Nawaz put in jail then?

 

[Lincoln]

Why was Nawaz put in jail then?

Frankly, that is a discussion which will never end. So in best interest all I can say is that I don't know regarding the matter.

But, as I pointed out...

But there is no proof for that, why assume things on the basis of pure hate and speculation. I am no PTI fan or PMLN fan. But, unless we have decisive proof which leaves no doubt, we should not speculate and refuse to perform our responsibilities on that speculation.

And the fact that we as citizens of Pakistan are under agreement with the State in which we are obliged to pay taxes.

 

[truthseer]

And the fact that we as citizens of Pakistan are under agreement with the State in which we are obliged to pay taxes.

Only to those who are true Muslim leaders. Imran's Zina means I can say he went against Islam

 

[El Sidd]

I am no PTI fan

They will Lynch you. They are sensitive about this

 

[Lincoln]

Only to those who are true Muslim leaders. Imran's Zina means I can say he went against Islam

That under those circumstances, some of the companions of the Holy Prophet had no authority or right to rule because some of them were previously engaged against Islam.

They will Lynch you. They are sensitive about this

Kindly show respect. It's been only some time for me on this forum and I find it surprising how bitter people on here are, and so pessimistic.

 

[truthseer]

They will Lynch you. They are sensitive about this

Agree.

That under those circumstances, some of the companions of the Holy Prophet had no authority or right to rule because some of them were previously engaged against Islam.

Imran is not the companions who returned to Islam

 

[El Sidd]

Kindly show respect. It's been only some time for me on this forum and I find it surprising how bitter people on

Welcome to Internet.

Its still new to People

 

[undercover JIX]

kal daikh lain ge, kon sa door hai, sab itna jazbati kiyun ho rahay hain.

 

[Lincoln]

Imran is not the companions who returned to Islam

The context is the same. A person can change over time. What is history is history, when you judge a person, you look at who the person is now and as of recently.

I end my discussion here, I cited the Islamic evidence and the logical evidence. I found it just as frustrating when during PMLN's government, Imran Khan said the people should not pay taxes, it is conceptually wrong and allows people to draw lines wherever they want and on whatever basis they want when the criteria should be undeniable apparent and doubtless evidence.

Taxes are a duty on the people, it's a responsibility which we must fulfill. Two wrongs don't make a right, if you feel that someone did wrong to someone, that doesn't mean you should do wrong to someone else either (i.e the State).

Welcome to Internet.

Its still new to People

I understand, but I see hypocrisy when you say that they will 'lynch' me for saying such a thing but at same time tease them regarding it, what would you expect love? mutuality? No, definitely hate.

 

[truthseer]

I am going to listen and pay taxes, at least. You seem to be right Islamically

I end my discussion here, I cited the Islamic evidence and the logical evidence. I found it just as frustrating when during PMLN's government, Imran Khan said the people should not pay taxes, it is conceptually wrong and allows people to draw lines wherever they want and on whatever basis they want when the criteria should be undeniable apparent and doubtless evidence.

 

[El Sidd]

Agree

You did not answer me. I asked in my National language the numbers of this imaginary Brainstorming that Mr. Sharif will be Released which Technically is impossible.

I asked a Person yesterday that the best Option for Nawaz is to Finance the Kalabagh Dam. His response was as Smart as this conversation.

Please indulge

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

Do Muslims sleep with non-Muslims?


Lol, PTI is the real cult. Always supporting U-Turn Khan. You were over the moon when Qadiani was appointed. When Noon league forced Islam back in to the committee, you said IK is right now


Rigging


Why was Nawaz put in jail then?

First of all, how do you know she has slept with a non Muslim. Have you seen her sleeping with a non Muslim. In shariah the only way to accuse someone of such a crime is to be present their while they are engaging in sexual intercourse and have 4 witnesses present while the act is taking place. But you don't know that because you don't know your own religion. But I forgive you.

Secondly, if she did sleep with a non Muslim, it still doesn't remove her from being a Muslim. And here is my proof for you to read and repent to Allah.

Question:

As-salamu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakatuh, some Muslims declares other Muslims to be kafirs, what is the hukm for the takfir? jazak Allah khayran.

Country: France

Answer:

Wa alaykum salam wa rahmatuLlahi wa barakatuHu,

Imam Bukhari related in his Sahih v. 4, p. 124 #6103, 6104 on the authority of Ibn ‘Umar and Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet Muhammad (sallaAllahu alayhie wa sallam) said, “If a man says to his brother, ‘O kafir,’ then it returns to one of them.” Likewise, Imam Muslim narrated similar hadithsin his Sahih v. 2, p. 237-38 on the authority of Ibn ‘Umar and Abu Dharr.

In Rawdah v. 10, p. 65, Imam Nawawi cited from Mutawalli, “And if one says to a Muslim, ‘O kafir,’ in without interpretation, it is kufr; because, it is calling Islam kufr.” In Irshad al-Sari v. 9, p. 65, Qastalani said,

لأنه إن كان القائل صادقا في نفس الأمر فالمرمي كافر وإن كان كاذبا فقد جعل الرامي الإيمان كفرا ومن جعل الإيمان كفرا فقد كفر كذا حمله البخاري على تحقق الكفر على أحدهما بمقتضى الترجمة ولذا ترجم عليه مقيدا بغير تأويل وحمله بعضهم على الزجر والتغليظ فيكون ظاهره غير مراد

“Because if the one issuing the statement is right regarding the matter, then the one upon whom the statement is given is a kafir; while if mistaken, then the accuser has made iman into kufr, and one who does this is a kafir. Like this Imam Bukhari has applied the hadith to be a fact that the kufr is found with one of them, pursuant to the chapter heading. Thus, he has entitled the chapter specifying that the statement be uninterpretable. Others have carried the hadith on zajr and taghliz, accordingly the zahir of the hadith is not intended [according to their understanding].”

In Sharh Sahih Muslim v. 2, p. 238, Imam Nawawi has mentioned that some ulama understood that the zahir of the hadith is not what is intended. Different interpretations have been offered. For instance, some have said that the hadith applies to one who considers it lawful to declare a Muslim as a kafir. This view is stated by Shaykh al-Islam in Sharh al-Rawd v. 4, p. 118. Also, some said that the ma’siyah [horrible sin] of making takfir of a Muslim is what is comes back to one giving the statement. He has committed a major wrong; and this could also well a door to him falling into complete kufr, similar to other major sins like leaving the prayer, fornication, etc.

In Bughyat al-Mustarshidin p. 308, it is cited from Muhammad b. Sulayman al-Kurdi that Imams Nawawi and Rafi’i (as they stated in Rawdah and its asl) held that one who called his Muslim brother a kafir in an uninterpretable statement has committed kufr. And understood from some of the As-hab al-Wujuh, like Imam Ghazzali, Abu Ishaq, Ibn Daqiq al-Eid and others, is no differentiation between one who would call his Muslim brother a kafir in an interpretable statement or otherwise, there being no difference, thus according to them it is kufr either way.

Some, like Shaykh al-Islam have inclined towards Imam Nawawi’s view in Sharh Sahih Muslim. Others, like Zayn al-Din al-Malibari, Abu Bakr Shata al-Dimyati, Muhammad b. Sulayman al-Kurdi, Taqi al-Din al-Husni, and others to the view mentioned in Rawdah.

And Allah knows best.

 

[truthseer]

First of all, how do you know she has slept with a non Muslim. Have you seen her sleeping with a non Muslim. In shariah the only way to accuse someone of such a crime is to be present their while they are engaging in sexual intercourse and have 4 witnesses present while the act is taking place. But you don't know that because you don't know your own religion. But I forgive you.

She was sleeping with Russel Brand