NASR : SHORT RANGE TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON!

[Gufi]

Been doing this for quite some time here. Much before you came along. If you feel like, go back & read old threads.

ok you did and you can tell me what will cause the threshold to use nuclear weapons be breached??

 

[Bang Galore]

In the open plains or steppes, not in heavily and densely populated areas where the enemy forces are separated only by a few kilometers.

Yeah, when does an Indian strike become nuke worthy, a km in or when it reaches population centres, not too far away? Not much time between too early & too late

 

[Capt.Popeye]

ok you did and you can tell me what will cause the threshold to use nuclear weapons be breached??

The instincts for "Self-Destruction" or the "Hara-Kiri" mentality or the motivating factors that drive Suicide Bombers to push that little button on their jackets...... now, take your pick outta that.

Now about that "Nuclear Doctrine" that is old hat expounded upon by Kidwai and dissed to death here. So if you are looking to get educated on that go back to the threads. We've gone through that long ago.

 

[Bang Galore]

ok you did and you can tell me what will cause the threshold to use nuclear weapons be breached??

That is the point. Your threshold is based on a strategic response, also an indication that Pakistan is giving up the ghost because it understands fully well what the Indian counter response will be. The question being asked here is what purpose does a tactical nuke have? What is the point being sought to be made?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Yeah, when does an Indian strike become nuke worthy, a km in or when it reaches population centres, not too far away? Not much time between too early & too late

I don't think it is much fun for the Defenders and the People and Area that they are defending to turn into glass, along with the guys that they are attempting to nuke into oblivion.....

 

[topgun047]

When Pakistan knows a tactical nuke would invite the same response from India as a strategic nuke- massive retaliatory strike, then why not use strategic nuke straight away instead of a small tactical nuke on Pakistani soil itself ?

 

[Gufi]

The instincts for "Self-Destruction" or the "Hara-Kiri" mentality or the motivating factors that drive Suicide Bombers to push that little button on their jackets...... now, take your pick outta that.

Now about that "Nuclear Doctrine" that is old hat expounded upon by Kidwai and dissed to death here. So if you are looking to get educated on that go back to the threads. We've gone through that long ago.

You are uninformed. U know more about smiley faces then real facts and point to old threads which you dissect however you want. The doctrine is clear and is a deterrent after a certain line, do not cross those and there will be no nuclear war. Tactical nuclear weapons will be followed by total nuclear war fare which is a fact, but then again pushing a war far enough will lead to use of the weapons, they are not works of art to admire. Your childish idiocy of thinking anything but what your method is wrong, but apparently it is good enough to stop any major wars because the conclusion is known to both sides.

That is the point. Your threshold is based on a strategic response, also an indication that Pakistan is giving up the ghost because it understands fully well what the Indian counter response will be. The question being asked here is what purpose does a tactical nuke have? What is the point being sought to be made?

to kill troops and tank battalions when main defensive lines are broken which will be followed by an all out nuclear war. The point being made is attack us and we attack back, and come what may if you attack we will go down but take you down also. Simple really but something that needs to be understood

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Nasr is a stupid weapon that makes no sense for the following reasons:

1. The idea of using nukes against an armored assault is plainly ridiculous. It could only happen in video games.

2. One cannot use nukes just 70 km away from the border.

3. The missile would have to be handed over to field formation before firing it. The Strategic command would hand over the missile to a corps commander!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that is brilliant.

4. Tactical nuclear missile is an oxymoron. There is nothing tactical about a nuke.

5. Russians and Americans have learned the lesson. All such stupid tactical nukes have been withdrawn from service. Once, they even had nuclear tipped:
a. Surface-to-air missiles
b. Anti-submarine rockets
c. Depth charges
d. Artillery shells
e. Land mines

yr analysis makes no sense.

 

[Gufi]

I don't think it is much fun for the Defenders and the People and Area that they are defending to turn into glass, along with the guys that they are attempting to nuke into oblivion.....

Actually India has said that they will retaliate with full nuclear strikes which means proper nuclear war.... Which is what will happen when any war breaks out... which is why there will be no war...

That is the point. Your threshold is based on a strategic response, also an indication that Pakistan is giving up the ghost because it understands fully well what the Indian counter response will be. The question being asked here is what purpose does a tactical nuke have? What is the point being sought to be made?

Yes when your main battle line has been breached you go for broke, any nuclear war then will leave both counties destroyed, granted Pakistan will be much worse, but India will be a totally lost nation as well. Thus the deterrent google the meaning of the word.

 

[babbar]

to kill troops and tank battalions when main defensive lines are broken which will be followed by an all out nuclear war. The point being made is attack us and we attack back, and come what may if you attack we will go down but take you down also. Simple really but something that needs to be understood

Its called MAD, and its achieved very well with strategic nukes. So the question asked by bangalore remains, what does tac nuke achieve?

Someone in pak security establishment coming up with a intellectual idea is generally a bad thing, as history suggests.

 

[Bang Galore]

to kill troops and tank battalions when main defensive lines are broken which will be followed by an all out nuclear war. The point being made is attack us and we attack back, and come what may if you attack we will go down but take you down also. Simple really but something that needs to be understood

You need to understand a bit. One of Pakistan's biggest advantage is India's "no-first strike" policy, allowing for Pakistan to carry out strikes first. A tactical weapon use just allows India to respond with an all out strike after Pakistan has just used a nuke within Pakistan. Whether many of your capabilities survive or not may be of theoretical interest to Pakistanis in such a situation but you have essentially played your cards badly. You risk your capabilities being damaged & therefore not being able to mount a robust response, all for what? Taking out tank columns?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

You are uninformed. U know more about smiley faces then real facts and point to old threads which you dissect however you want. The doctrine is clear and is a deterrent after a certain line, do not cross those and there will be no nuclear war. Tactical nuclear weapons will be followed by total nuclear war fare which is a fact, but then again pushing a war far enough will lead to use of the weapons, they are not works of art to admire. Your childish idiocy of thinking anything but what your method is wrong, but apparently it is good enough to stop any major wars because the conclusion is known to both sides.


to kill troops and tank battalions when main defensive lines are broken which will be followed by an all out nuclear war. The point being made is attack us and we attack back, and come what may if you attack we will go down but take you down also. Simple really but something that needs to be understood

Sorry to disappoint you, but I've been there and done that already............. just that you're kinda new around here, so.
Enjoy your stay here.

 

[Bang Galore]

Yes when your main battle line has been breached you go for broke, any nuclear war then will leave both counties destroyed, granted Pakistan will be much worse, but India will be a totally lost nation as well. Thus the deterrent google the meaning of the word.

I think you will find it very hard to justify your understanding of the phrase " going for broke" if you think that somehow a tactical nuke is reflective of that.

 

[Gufi]

Its called MAD, and its achieved very well with strategic nukes. So the question asked by bangalore remains, what does tac nuke achieve?

MAD is something which is step by step by our doctrine, you attack we repel conventionally, when our lines break we use tactical nucs, you escalate to full nuclear strikes and so do we. It depends on what level the war will be taken too. Tactical nucs are a last straw before full out nuclear war.

You need to understand a bit. One of Pakistan's biggest advantage is India's "no-first strike" policy, allowing for Pakistan to carry out strikes first. A tactical weapon use just allows India to respond with an all out strike after Pakistan has just used a nuke within Pakistan. Whether many of your capabilities survive or not may be of theoretical interest to Pakistanis in such a situation but you have essentially played your cards badly. You risk your capabilities being damaged & therefore not being able to mount a robust response, all for what? Taking out tank columns?

 

[Bang Galore]

MAD is something which is step by step by our doctrine, you attack we repel conventionally, when our lines break we use tactical nucs, you escalate to full nuclear strikes and so do we. It depends on what level the war will be taken too. Tactical nucs are a last straw before full out nuclear war.

That's pretty garbled. You have been arguing so far that tactical nukes are part of a strategic response, now you have changed it to one step short of a strategic response, considering it a step in the escalatory ladder. Either way, my question stands. If India's response is also tactical, Pakistan will take one Indian nuke somewhere, if strategic-everywhere. What does the use of the tactical nuke by Pakistan achieve?