Nankana Sahib – Sikh Girl Tells LHC She Married A Muslim With Consent!

[Pakistani Fighter]

Are you a parent?

Do you know how much time, effort, and money parents invest in rearing children? These contributions can never be repaid.

Adulthood = age of responsibility, and taking care of your parents.

There are do's and don'ts of marriage in Islam. A Muslim Man is not allowed to marry a disbeliever. If he develop a liking for a woman, he is supposed to seek her hand in marriage from her family actually.

Well liberals on the other hand do support when Muslim girls run away

 

[313ghazi]

Are you a parent?

Do you know how much time, effort, and money parents invest in rearing children? These contributions can never be repaid.

Adulthood = age of responsibility, and taking care of your parents.

There are do's and don'ts of marriage in Islam. A Muslim Man is not allowed to marry a disbeliever. If he develop a liking for a woman, he is supposed to seek her hand in marriage from her family actually.

Bhai ji, I am a parent - I have a daughter. If my daughter was to leave my faith i'd be devastated. Ultimately though i'd have failed her from the pov of my religious duties. I'd have raised a child who's faith was not proper, or was weak enough to leave it for a man. I have no doubt about the pain the decision would have inflicted on her family. However look at the other side of it. I bet we all know people who have been forced into marriages. I do - lots of people who have been coerced into marriages under the pressure of family. Some cases have even led to suicide, others to a lifetime of misery.

Allah forbid, if I was ever in the shoes of those parents; but you cannot force someone to believe. The best they'll do is pretend to believe under coersion. Similarly you cannot force someone to stay, or to marry someone - it's better to let them leave.

We live in sensitive times, need to exercise extreme cautions with the choices we make. Besides, isn't it against our culture and moral values to make a girl do a runaway? It does bring shame to girls family, irrespective if they are Muslim or non Muslim.

You make a very sensible point, but under no condition should the state be telling people who they can and cannot marry, unless it is contradictory to Shariah. Ultimately the fault lies with the couple and their families. I live in the UK and I know a Muslim girl who married a Sikh and I know a Sikh girl who married a muslim. In both these cases the families of the girls disowned them. They didn't try to kill them, or force them to stay, or marry them to a relative in the pind. Those people understood the damage was done, and their best interests were served by not making a fuss.

In my extended family I have people married to people of other races. 1 girl married an Irishman, and one man married an English woman. In both cases the other parties had coverted to islam. I was a convert before meeting the girl, and the girl who converted did so to marry the man she loved.

The man who married the english woman, his family practically shunned him - brothers have lived a few minutes away from each other, as strangers. What did it achieve? misery. This week that mans son died, he was a relatively young man with a small family. His uncle, his cousins were all there mourning, lamenting the time they have wasted shunning each other out of arrogance and anger.

The Irishman who married the girl. That family initially went through all the shock and fuss. Ultimately her father had the wisdom to understand that his izzat was best served by accepting it and he did a small walima, invited close family and friends and married her off. Her and her husband visit, attend family events, he has learnt Urdu, he's a decent man, works, earns. Life goes on.

People must learn that sometimes compromise is better than stuborness.

 

[jamahir]

Sadly, Pakistan is not evolved to the point where this marriage could have continued without the woman changing her religion.

if she is adult and consenting there is no problem in it, Law of the land allows it ..

"Adult age" is subjective.

If I was 16 of age and a female member of PDF was to ask me of my age, I would have told her "I am sweet sixteen".

Modern Western Feminist beliefs have changed perceptions now of what is "mature" and what is not. For the worse.

Why these fktards go about and lure the girls from other religions and cause embarrassment for Pakistan? Is this some kind of fetish in Pakistan. Some sort of "forbidden fruit"?

Go and ask their parents first, if they reject, make a U-turn and go home.

Jab miyan biwi raazi toh kya karega qazi ??

 

[Lincoln]

How about... lets beat the hell out of the girl and force her to convert back to her previous religion, annul her marriage and give her back to her parents..



Funniest shit is that girl is saying she has reverted (for whatever reason) and someone doesn't want to accept it.. and calling it blasphemy.. I thought extremist Islamists will declare her statement as blasphemy, here we have a liberal who is calling her statement as such..

OK, lets suppose she has converted because of the man, not because of her love of Islam, what should we do? Force her to convert back?

Sometimes people don't know what they want..

That is actually a very good idea. Christian missionaries have been using this method.




He needs to be seen awoke and enlightened.

Absolutely not. Find a single post where I ever said that. There is no compulsion in religion.

Why are libtards always so butthurt when someone chooses to accept Islam?

I will clear my standpoint. I am a secular, so I have no problem with such a marriage or a person converting to Islam for whatever reason. People can do whatever they want.

But, I am a Muslim, and I don't like it if some people twist religion to suit them better. Sure, you want to marry a non Muslim, do it, but don't find loopholes in your religion to do so. And if they do use loopholes, others shouldn't seek to justify it when it is religiously wrong.

1. Someone said that they might become actually practicing Muslims in the future. Yes, but so might people who were forced to convert; does it make it right? Absolutely not. In Islam, it's not just about the end result, but also about the path you take, it must be religiously allowed. You can't make drug money and use it to build a mosque. In the end, she converted for 'him,' and that isn't a conversion. You convert for Allah, not your boyfriend or girlfriend. So stop trying to say that it is right. It isn't.

2. Giving people money to convert is also wrong. You can give charity and HOPE that they will see the good and convert, but setting it as a pre condition for better life is wrong. Again, reasoning in point 1.

3. I won't say force her to go back, bla bla. No, she can do what she want. I am just saying that you guys need to stop painting something as right from the Islamic viewpoint when it is absolutely wrong from an Islamic viewpoint.

You know what this reminds me of. When in britian, some muslim women found a loophole in Islam to do prostitution, they would marry a man who wanted to have sex, have sex, then do talaq, and then onto the next client.

I see this in the exact same way. Coversion is for God's sake, and truly, we don't know what's in their hearts or their intention, we ought to give the benefit of doubt, but when she DECLARES her intention (she converted for 'him' i.e. so she could marry him), then it is wrong in Islam, and you folks need to have an ounce of shame when your justifying this and saying it is Islamic and STOP SELLING YOUR RELIGION FOR SEX and MONEY.

Thank you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That's not what you said.



Let's convert peopleby giving them money and hope halfway through they just decide to become actually good muslims. Lol.

Unless someone is forcefully converted or converts solely for financial gains (both being invalid according to islam), I dont understand the problem.

 

[313ghazi]

I will clear my standpoint. I am a secular, so I have no problem with such a marriage or a person converting to Islam for whatever reason. People can do whatever they want.

But, I am a Muslim, and I don't like it if some people twist religion to suit them better. Sure, you want to marry a non Muslim, do it, but don't find loopholes in your religion to do so. And if they do use loopholes, others shouldn't seek to justify it when it is religiously wrong.

1. Someone said that they might become actually practicing Muslims in the future. Yes, but so might people who were forced to convert; does it make it right? Absolutely not. In Islam, it's not just about the end result, but also about the path you take, it must be religiously allowed. You can't make drug money and use it to build a mosque. In the end, she converted for 'him,' and that isn't a conversion. You convert for Allah, not your boyfriend or girlfriend. So stop trying to say that it is right. It isn't.

2. Giving people money to convert is also wrong. You can give charity and HOPE that they will see the good and convert, but setting it as a pre condition for better life is wrong. Again, reasoning in point 1.

3. I won't say force her to go back, bla bla. No, she can do what she want. I am just saying that you guys need to stop painting something as right from the Islamic viewpoint when it is absolutely wrong from an Islamic viewpoint.

You know what this reminds me of. When in britian, some muslim women found a loophole in Islam to do prostitution, they would marry a man who wanted to have sex, have sex, then do talaq, and then onto the next client.

I see this in the exact same way. Coversion is for God's sake, and truly, we don't know what's in their hearts or their intention, we ought to give the benefit of doubt, but when she DECLARES her intention (she converted for 'him' i.e. so she could marry him), then it is wrong in Islam, and you folks need to have an ounce of shame when your justifying this and saying it is Islamic and STOP SELLING YOUR RELIGION FOR SEX and MONEY.

Thank you.

To address your points...

1. You have a point, people shouldn't convert just to marry someone, if someone does though - that's their choice. Are they really Muslim? If they've explicitly converted to marry someone, ie bypass the law, then not really. Can we prove it in a court of law - no. You can't cut someone open to find out if they are Muslim or not. In this instance we have to go with the flow.

2. Completely agree.

3. You're right, people should be cautious about the reasons someone coverts, but ultimately we don't know their truth, we can't do anything about it, nor should we.

 

[jamahir]

Are you a parent?

Do you know how much time, effort, and money parents invest in rearing children? These contributions can never be repaid.

That is also the excuse given by parents who honor-kill their children.

Children should not be slaves to their parents' wishes. Every person, except those criminal, must live in full freedom.

Also, there are children who commit suicide. It is a tragedy that they cannot confide their problems with their parents, or even that their parents are the ones who force them to commit suicide.

There are do's and don'ts of marriage in Islam. A Muslim Man is not allowed to marry a disbeliever.

That is an outdated concept. In this day and age, a person should be allowed to marry whoever they wish.

The African Muslim-majority country of Tunisia passed a law some years ago, allowing Muslims, especially women, to marry non-Muslims.

@313ghazi

It does bring shame to girls family, irrespective if they are Muslim or non Muslim.

"Shame" is the first step towards committing honor killing.

 

[Lincoln]

To address your points...

1. You have a point, people shouldn't convert just to marry someone, if someone does though - that's their choice. Are they really Muslim? If they've explicitly converted to marry someone, ie bypass the law, then not really. Can we prove it in a court of law - no. You can't cut someone open to find out if they are Muslim or not. In this instance we have to go with the flow.

2. Completely agree.

3. You're right, people should be cautious about the reasons someone coverts, but ultimately we don't know their truth, we can't do anything about it, nor should we.

In the article it says, that in the testimony she gave before court, she converted for 'him'.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

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  Nankana Sahib – Sikh Girl Tells LHC She Married A Muslim With Consent!
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  Without any doubt, marriage is definitely a critical decision to make, especially when you are willing to defy all odds. Previously, a similar act was reported from Pakistan’s Nankana Sahib area which later escalated into sheer chaos. Recently, it turns out the Sikh-Muslim marriage that happened in Nakana Sahib earlier wasn’t forceful but consensual.
  
  
  
  
  
  Sikh girl from Nankana Sahib reveals her consent in LHC on marrying a Muslim man!
  As always, naive India tried to criticize Pakistan on the stance claiming it to be a ‘communal’ issue degrading the minorities. Responsively, Pakistan denied India’s ‘sectarian’ claims and the Foreign Office called it ‘patently motivated’. Clearing the air, on Thursday, the Sikh girl from Nankana Sahib told Lahore High Court (LHC) that she married her Muslim partner with her own ‘consent’.
  
  
  
  
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  According to local media reports, ”A young Sikh woman from Nankana Sahib in Punjab on Thursday said that she had married a Muslim man of her own free will and converted to Islam for him”.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Attending the hearing session!
  On Thursday, Jagjeet Kaur appeared in the court hearing where she reiterated that she is satisfied with the marriage. Reportedly, after marrying her love Muhammad Hassaan, Kaur turned Ayesha is now a practicing Muslim and wishes to continue. Since the heated circumstances have made the couple’s life a conspiracy, the young woman was brought to the court under strict security.
  
  
  
  
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  Apparently, to put her consent forward, Ayesha came in from Darul Aman by the security officials. In between the hearing session, Justice Mazhar Ali Naqvi even permitted the woman to meet her brother Manmohan Singh. Well, as Ayesha’s family has not accepted the marriage yet, her brother reached the court to talk her out of her eternal relation.
  
  Brother’s take on the marriage!
  Further, Manmohan Singh, who was also a petitioner made some claims against his sister after the meeting. Talking of age factor, the petitioner stated that her sister formerly Jagjeet Kaur wasn’t of a mature age while taking the decision. Adding that his sister wasn’t of the age to make such critical decisions on her own without discussing with elders.
  
  
  
  
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  As per Singh, his sister was under pressure and didn’t get much time to make the final call. After the meetup, Ayesha revealed that her brother persuaded her to go home which she didn’t want to do. Well, it seems like the erupted protests in Nankana Sahib last week regarding the marriage had sparked a debate online.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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I discussed this before. When it comes to religious conversion and marriage, Pakistan should eliminate the age of consent and make it puberty.

If a woman living in Sikh community converts to Islam, it will be difficult for her to live in that home, esp if family is against her decision.

She needs to marry herself out of that situation to a Muslim to practice her faith.

There need to be exceptions to an empty number being the age of consent, even our tribal people marry at very young ages. We don't have the right to stop them.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You make a very sensible point, but under no condition should the state be telling people who they can and cannot marry, unless it is contradictory to Shariah. Ultimately the fault lies with the couple and their families. I live in the UK and I know a Muslim girl who married a Sikh and I know a Sikh girl who married a muslim. In both these cases the families of the girls disowned them. They didn't try to kill them, or force them to stay, or marry them to a relative in the pind. Those people understood the damage was done, and their best interests were served by not making a fuss.

In my extended family I have people married to people of other races. 1 girl married an Irishman, and one man married an English woman. In both cases the other parties had coverted to islam. I was a convert before meeting the girl, and the girl who converted did so to marry the man she loved.

The man who married the english woman, his family practically shunned him - brothers have lived a few minutes away from each other, as strangers. What did it achieve? misery. This week that mans son died, he was a relatively young man with a small family. His uncle, his cousins were all there mourning, lamenting the time they have wasted shunning each other out of arrogance and anger.

The Irishman who married the girl. That family initially went through all the shock and fuss. Ultimately her father had the wisdom to understand that his izzat was best served by accepting it and he did a small walima, invited close family and friends and married her off. Her and her husband visit, attend family events, he has learnt Urdu, he's a decent man, works, earns. Life goes on.

People must learn that sometimes compromise is better than stuborness.

Pakistani society works differently. Its the social stigmata for parents if their daughter ran away with a man.

I am all up for a law where no Pakistani Muslim male will be able to legalise marriage with non Muslim girl without her parent/Guardian consent. We need to stop these ever increasing instances where Pakistan as a state ends up with egg on its face.

 

[LeGenD]

That is also the excuse given by parents who honor-kill their children.

Children should not be slaves to their parents wishes. Every person, except those criminal, must live in full freedom.

Also, there are children who commit suicide. It is a tragedy that they cannot confide their problems with their children, or even that their parents are the ones who force them to commit suicide.



That is an outdated concept. In this day and age, a person should be allowed to marry whoever they wish.

The African Muslim-majority country of Tunisia passed a law some years ago, allowing Muslims, especially women, to marry non-Muslims.

@313ghazi



"Shame" is the first step towards committing honor killing.

Some parents can be unreasonable in their demands - they are humans actually.

Bigger issue is of inflated ego. Young people often think that they know better which is utterly stupid. Just because you have a decent education, doesn't imply that you suddenly understand the world.

Islamic do's and don'ts for marriage and other matters are for all ages. They will remain the same. You are increasingly out of touch with Islamic teachings unfortunately.

Why not study Holy Quran again? Narrow down to Surah Al-Baqrah and Surah An-Nisa in particular.

Muslim-majority states are increasingly hypocritical these days, under influence of foreign indoctrinations and dictats. Just like hypocritical jews through the ages.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That is actually a very good idea. Christian missionaries have been using this method.

Once a Bedouin told the Prophet SAWS he would convert to Islam if he gave him two valleys filled with camels. Prophet Muhammad SAWS said ok. Bedouin took shahadat.

When Sahabah asked him, He SAWS said he would have given even more to ensure one person becomes a Muslim.

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Not saying we do as Christian missionaries do, but this is an eye-awakening story

Pakistani society works differently. Its the social stigmata for parents if their daughter ran away with a man.

I am all up for a law where no Pakistani Muslim male will be able to legalise marriage with non Muslim girl without her parent/Guardian consent. We need to stop these ever increasing instances where Pakistan as a state ends up with egg on its face.

Unfortunately that would be against Islamic Fiqh and would face much resistance from the whole society.

Plenty of New Muslims ran away from family torture and oppression to join the Prophet SAWS in the beginning of Islam, some women even divorced their Kaffir husbands and remarried Muslims

@jamahir I cry for your children if they ever planned to follow Islam properly.

Islamic Fiqh is clear on these issues.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Unfortunately that would be against Islamic Fiqh and would face much resistance from the whole society.

Plenty of New Muslims ran away from family torture and oppression to join the Prophet SAWS in the beginning of Islam, some women even divorced their Kaffir husbands and remarried Muslims

@jamahir I cry for your children if they ever planned to follow Islam properly.

Islamic Fiqh is clear on these issues.

While I agree about Islamic Fiqh and nitty gritty, we have to take into consideration that we got a very tiny non Muslim minority in Pakistan. They live among the sea of Muslims around them. The insecurity will come naturally. Let them have their own way and dispatch their affairs as they wish so.

Besides, these girls converting to marry the guy is a lame excuse to begin with. No one converts for the sake of a human, its a matter between oneself and Allah.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

While I agree about Islamic Fiqh and nitty gritty, we have to take into consideration that we got a very tiny non Muslim minority in Pakistan. They live among the sea of Muslims around them. The insecurity will come naturally. Let them have their own way and dispatch their affairs as they wish so.

What you are suggesting will create unrest in our country? These people need to accept that they live in an Islamic country. If the minorities insist on persecuting converts to Islam, they WILL become targets.

The state needs to come strong and pass laws to ensure the practice of Islam is not curtailed in any shape or form. Legitimacy of the state depends on its popularity with the people.

Besides, these girls converting to marry the guy is a lame excuse to begin with. No one converts for the sake of a human, its a matter between oneself and Allah.

People did convert this way from the early days of Islam and up until now.

Our ancestors converted this way also.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What you are suggesting will create unrest in our country? These people need to accept that they live in an Islamic country. If the minorities insist on persecuting converts to Islam, they WILL become targets.

The state needs to come strong and pass laws to ensure the practice of Islam is not curtailed in any shape or form. Legitimacy of the state depends on its popularity with the people.



People did convert this way from the early days of Islam and up until now.

Our ancestors converted this way also.

What I would say, state needs to exercise extreme caution in dealing with the minorities, specially in this day and age. Enemies of Pakistan are waiting for these things to happen and exploit them to cause further embarrassment and ugly situations for Pakistan.