Mystery deepens over Su-30MKI that crashed

[mike2000]

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I thought India and Russia were 'best friends'?
As i said several times here before, no country has friends just interests. Russia doesnt have much common interests with India these days, unlike during the cold war(where they had both the U.S and China as adversaries). So today China and Russia interests match on almost all world issues against the west/U.S, so they are bound to be much closer than India, who at times seems losts. Meanwhile India doesnt hold such views against the west. So India should make the right choice and side with the partners with whom its interest match in this case the West/E.U/Israel and yes the U.S. Since we can offer way more to India than a declining Russia ever can. U.S.S.R days are long gone, India should forget those and move on.... i think the Indian government is slowly realizing this, reason India has been moving much closer to the west/U.S/israel this past years than Russia, which makes Russia mad.

 

[Donatello]

Depends on the rate of decent. Again, in this case it seems that software may have simply read it correctly and decided to shoot the men out of the sky. But it is odd that it came out soo late as a problem. My guess is something went wrong at depot level maintenance and the pilots had to pay for it by the free parachute ride and the loss of a valuable asset.

Depot level maintenance or some, never experienced before data for the computer which buzzed it pretty bad. Computers are only as smart as their designer/programmer and rely on various data to compute their solution. Faulty sensor readings from say, INS/GPS/TACOM/Gyros/Pitot, stuff that tells the computer it's orientation, could overwhelm the system.Like In the case of AF 447, where auto pilot went off when it got no readings from the ADS . Or famous F-18 flight control bug, where the latitude change at equator was wrongly interpreted because of software runtime error.

 

[Cat Shannon]

you know, it could be a co-incidence, the cvr switching off. but whats up with the seat ejecting ?

the only way you will get to know it is to simulate the situation on that day as close as possible and observe everything.

often in any kind of tech support the only logical action is to replace the part and save the time. I'm just giving it as an example.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Why do Indians need Russian specialist for "indigenously" built indian planes?

Did the pilots eat "Daal" before flying? they must have farted real hard to shoot out of the plane, LOL

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The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) of the Sukhoi-30 MKI that crashed on
October 14 near Pune, leading to the grounding of 200 Russian-origin
fighter jets, stopped recording pilot communications minutes before the
crash, said a top government official familiar with the investigation.

The glitch has further deepened the mystery surrounding the crash, the
fifth accident involving a Su-30 during the last five years. The
official said there was no record of conversations in the cockpit at
least five minutes before the crash as the tape had run out.

The development is significant as the pilots of the fighter plane had
reported an unprecedented “automatic seat ejection” without their
command, but the Russian specialists assisting the probe have ruled out
the freak ejection theory.

IAF spokesperson Wing Commander Simranpal Singh Birdi said the air force
had received some inputs from Russian experts but refused to comment on
the CVR data or the ejection controversy, saying a probe was still on.

HT was the first to report on October 22 that the IAF had grounded its
entire Su-30 fleet after the pilots reported a freak ejection where
seats fired on their own. The planes, which represent a third of India’s
fighter fleet, are still grounded for safety checks on ejection seats.

CVR data plays a vital role in reconstructing the events leading to a
crash. The Su-30 that crashed on October 14 was one of the 50 fighter
jets imported directly from Russia in flyaway condition. Recent crashes
have raised serious questions about the flight safety of one of the most
advanced and relatively new fighters in the Indian fleet. The first
variants of the plane were inducted in late 1990s.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited assembles and repairs the fighters in India.

The IAF’s Su-30 planes are grappling with problems concerning repair and
overhaul, mid-air engine failures and malfunctioning of mission
computers and cockpit displays. Each fighter costs over Rs. 200 crore.
The IAF has lost over 35 planes and choppers to crashes during the last
three years.

Source : Mystery deepens over Su-30MKI that crashed | idrw.org

Seriously it looks like a sabotage, some foreigner supplier must have bough out the pilots to malign the fighter, what better way to sow distrust than by the jocks themselves.

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[Donatello]

Why do Indians need Russian specialist for "indigenously" built indian planes?

Because made in anywhere in the world, is Indigenous Indian.

Read this, just the first para...
Hindu right rewriting Indian textbooks - Features - Al Jazeera English

they invented the air plane, centuries ago.

 

[Thorough Pro]

if india goes with Rafael, Putin's gona remotely eject all your pilots out of his planes. now digg that.

and shoved it up their own arses, that why every indian seems to be flying so high, they go to outer space even to take a dump, LOL

Because made in anywhere in the world, is Indigenous Indian.

Read this, just the first para...
Hindu right rewriting Indian textbooks - Features - Al Jazeera English

they invented the air plane, centuries ago.

 

[Cat Shannon]

Why do Indians need Russian specialist for "indigenously" built indian planes?

Did the pilots eat "Daal" before flying? they must have farted real hard to shoot out of the plane, LOL




Seriously it looks like a sabotage, some foreigner supplier must have bough out the pilots to malign the fighter, what better way to sow distrust than by the jocks themselves.

Because made in anywhere in the world, is Indigenous Indian.

Read this, just the first para...
Hindu right rewriting Indian textbooks - Features - Al Jazeera English

they invented the air plane, centuries ago.

if india goes with Rafael, Putin's gona remotely eject all your pilots out of his planes. now digg that.

and shoved it up their own arses, that why every indian seems to be flying so high, they go to outer space even to take a dump, LOL

Let us know when you are finished !

 

[Kinetic]

Bug?????

if india goes with Rafael, Putin's gona remotely eject all your pilots out of his planes. now digg that.

and shoved it up their own arses, that why every indian seems to be flying so high, they go to outer space even to take a dump, LOL

In idiot is always an idiot!!!

 

[srshkmr]

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Thats some heavy ganja

 

[Derolo]

Maybe done on purpose to keep local production from taking off!

Hahaha you must be joking. HAL has been doing local production of years and is world famous for shoddy and terrible production.

 

[axisofevil]

Hahaha you must be joking. HAL has been doing local production of years and is world famous for shoddy and terrible production.

Haha I was! But I do know one thing....the Russian junk is crap!

 

[Derolo]

Haha I was! But I do know one thing....the Russian junk is crap!

Bullshit. The T-90 is a fantastic tank probably the best on the battlefield with the abrams being the best on the internet.

The Su-35/Su-30MKI current generation family is one of the best if not the best aircraft out there leaving aside the Raptor.

The US failed to counter the Mig-25 for decades.

Russian military hardware is simply amazing. Just that when Indian D-PSU like HAL come into contact with it they reduce it to Indian standards which is why crash and failure keeps happening.

 

[gambit]

The US failed to counter the Mig-25 for decades.

That is a good joke.

 

[Derolo]

That is a good joke.

Mig-25 can shoot down an SR-71.

SR-71 can just take photos of the Mig-25.

 

[Mav3rick]

Ok ok, We accept ISI was behind it. Our aim was to destroy the Jet and save the pilot.....bot achieved.