Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings

[Hasbara Buster]

I didn't apologize, I've done nothing. Besides, it looks like a false flag to me although one cannot be sure.

 

[notsuperstitious]

A classic strawman argument.

Noone has to apologize, just stop offering excuses.

 

[Menace2Society]

Why the f**k do I have to apologize for actions of people living in another country who I have never met in my life?

Do I somehow magically influence their actions and every other Muslim on the planet? Do we have some sort of borg hive mind that we all share each others thoughts?

These reactionaries are closet racists and come out of their closets when such events happen to vomit their racist disgusting drivel.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Neither any Westerner nor any Western government has ever apologized to me for the mass murders their governments commit around the world.

 

[nashama]

@ Hasbara Buster: "Neither any Westerner nor any Western government has ever apologized to me for the mass murders their governments commit around the world."

But those Governments were actually waging a "war on terror" which is in the interest of the World community and to make this world a safer place. This , they , did as their "freedom".

Now, if we react to this Charlie Hebdo shit, they are asking us to "apologize".

What a hypocrisy?

I agree with the posts above. Muslims should not apologize. Traet what happened in France is their internal business.

 

[raptor22]

...This time, there was a small group of people who couldn’t simply stand by and condemn the murder of cartoonists for the crime of drawing a religious figure. They had to use the opportunity to push their own agenda, and their agenda consisted of one statement alone:

“You can’t make fun of Jews in the West the way you can make fun of Muslims! Wah!”

Let’s count...

1- One of the main Islamic rules is having faith in "Prophethood" which simply means believing in Mohammad (pbuh) and also all the other prophets including Jesus, Moses, Joseph, David, Abraham, Noah, Solomon and so on as prophets of God and respecting their followers and beliefs, hence and base upon Islamic thoughts and teachings I have no problems or enmity towards Christians or Jewish as far as I consider their religions legitimate and true.
2-I have no agenda to be pushed.
3- Therefore and as a matter of fact I condemn any act of violence and terrorism in any shape and do insist on freedom of speech as an universal right.
4-Freedom of speech is NOT insulting, mocking and humiliating the other people beliefs. freedom of speech by Charlie Hedbo definition just hurts it doesn't help to solve and address common problems humans as a whole face today.
5- I just tried to make it clear that those who try to push their own agenda to portray Islam as hideous religion are hiding behind fancy words like "freedom of speech" as those whom have biggest WMD arsenals on the surface of the planet of earth want to strike Iran 'cause it might make a bomb.
6- Western countries particularly France in this case are reaping what they saw by providing weapons and money for extremists, scums, thugs and terrorists in south west Asia esp in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria as though there is good and bad terrorists.

When cartoons of prophet of Islam was published in Denmark for the first time one of the Iranian artists portray saint Mary in front of Denmark embassy in Tehran.

But those who push their own agenda have proceeded insulting prophet of Islam through Films, burning Quran and Cartoons since then.​

Their country, their rules.

Their planet their terror agenda .
Syed are you Muslim? just curious ...

 

[MastanKhan]

Vladimir Putin says the same thing to justify suppressing criticism of "Holy Russia". Attaching "holy" to anything makes it indisputable and tars critics as "lowest form of human life." Thus we humans need such people to better distinguish the holy from the mundane or criminal.

So how do the jews world over justify the killing of Russian jews by communist jews prior to half a century ago.

 

[amr]

Why the f**k do I have to apologize for actions of people living in another country who I have never met in my life?

Do I somehow magically influence their actions and every other Muslim on the planet? Do we have some sort of borg hive mind that we all share each others thoughts?

These reactionaries are closet racists and come out of their closets when such events happen to vomit their racist disgusting drivel.

There's a right response, which is what you said. Then there's a wise response which is to condemn what happened in France in the name of Islam. Just because something is right, doesn't make it wise.

 

[VCheng]

Their planet their terror agenda .
Syed are you Muslim? just curious ...

"All your planets are belong to us!"

 

[fallstuff]

Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings

Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings
Posted by 5 Pillarz
Muslims should not feel compelled to apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings, write Jilani Gulam.

Have you apologised yet? Or better still have you condemned? Never mind what you are condemning, just condemn away because you are Muslim and you are to blame. This is the painful narrative and the very dangerous undertone that is now apparent and clear for all to see after recent events in France.

The backlash from the Charlie Hebdo killings has been blamed on Islam and Muslims in a much stronger way than previous incidents. The clamour for an apology seems to have grown stronger, and resonates with the entire society and social groups.

Why should Muslims apologise?

But why should Muslims apologise? Should the entire “community” of Muslims be held responsible for the actions of a few people?

Rupert Murdoch seems to think so, and he is by no means alone. Never mind the crude definition of “community”. It may come as a surprise to many bigoted Western commentators but Muslims are diverse. They don’t all share the same views and beliefs, and have major differences on a variety of issues. Yet funnily enough, this requirement to apologise rarely applies to other “communities”.

Should all Christians apologise for the several cases of child abuse by priests throughout the 70s and 80s? Should all journalists apologise for the phone hacking scandal? Perhaps all professional football players should apologise for Ched Evans’ rape conviction? In fact, since we are making broad generalisations, why shouldn’t all men apologise for Ched Evans?

Charlie Hebdo

But “Ah”, the bigoted commentator retorts. The Charlie Hebdo shootings were done in the name of Muhammad (saw) – it’s done in “your” name, so an apology is needed to clarify “your” position and that of Islam in general.

Yes, on face value, this appears to make the case stronger. However, such generalisations are intended to disarm Muslims and make them feel defensive.

Sweeping generalisations should often be viewed with skepticism due to the fact that they can be misleading. At least they should be viewed with scrutiny so as to prove that the general principle is true.

The fact in this case is that nobody actually knows the exact motivations of the attackers – there are only unverified statements from the scene of the attack. The attackers belong to an underclass of Algerian Muslims living in shocking conditions (more on this later) so motivations are often blurred and unclear.

Even if a case could be made, does that prove anything? Does it mean the rest of us have to apologise as well? It is similar to expecting an apology from the British people for the MP’s expenses scandal. After all, MPs speak on behalf of the British public right?

France

The reality is the Muslims have nothing to apologise for. We should be clear about that and raise our heads up high and repeat it; deliberately, slowly and with strength.

In fact, Muslims must not apologise or condemn. Not due to misplaced arrogance or lack of compassion but altogether for different reasons. This doesn’t mean we agree with actions committed by others nor that we hate all Westerners.

At its most fundamental level an apology glosses over major injustices that have happened against Muslims. Charlie Hebdo is hardly a neutral balanced publication. It has been provoking Muslims and other minorities for years. Those insisting on supporting the Je Suis Charlie (I am Charlie) campaign should ask themselves if this includes the cowardly edition that mocked the brave Muslims massacred by Egypt’s General Sisi after a rally (imagine the response if Muslim satirists responded by mocking the Charlie Hebdo dead) as well as the disturbing edition that mocked the victims of rape apparently committed by Boko Haram in Nigeria.

But at a deeper level it totally ignores France’s treatment of its Muslim minority. Banning the niqab, arresting those that pray the morning prayers at the mosque, restricting work in the public sector jobs for practicing Muslims, denial of social security, lack of employment and demonising them to such a state that parallels to Hitler’s treatment of Jews can be drawn.

It is as if these attacks are the start of the story, while the real backstory is conveniently glossed over.

Three reasons not to apologise

However, there are three very clear, practical reasons why Muslims should not apologise.

Firstly, an apology is an admission of guilt, which presupposes that we have done something wrong. This is a major problem since it implies that Islam caused atrocities to occur, and this is something that we simply cannot accept. It is our responsibility and obligation to clarify our position on this and refute the causal link.

Secondly, it then follows that either you change aspects of your beliefs to conform to the so-called “correct” values such as freedom of expression or leave them totally. Let us be clear, the attacks on Islam in light of Charlie Hebdo by the likes of Douglas Murray are designed to give credence to a set of apologists who have government-funded institutions designed to make Muslims question their beliefs. At worst Muslims feel they need to be quiet while others speak for them, and at worst Muslims start to change sacrosanct values.

Thirdly, it is used as a justification for a variety of other measures against Muslims. Both 9/11 and 7/7 precipitated a raft of legislation targeting Muslims, ironically curtailing their right to criticise Western foreign policy, as well as a host of quite targeted measures such as “stop and search” against them. There is very little evidence that these measures have prevented any attacks, and they have a low success rate. Only the naïve would think these laws would not be used exclusively against Muslims.

Not only should we explain and clarify our position, we should ensure that those that speak on our behalf don’t apologise for us either.

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I believe the act of violence should be condemned. The Prophet himself has gone through ridicule, and other types of mental and physical abuse, yet He chose to respond in a way which is completely opposite of what these guys did in Paris.

There are many ways to confront these hateful publications, violence is not an effective way.

Why not lobby to be involved in politics to push for laws that can reign in these publications. If there are stupid laws that can punish someone for questioning holocaust, then of-course you can have your law that will take care of publications like that.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Zabaniyah]

What expression of opinion? They know full well that Muslims hold Muhammad (PBUH) in very high esteem and the cartoons will cause immense grief among Muslims who are a minority in France. By the way spare me the 1400 years excuse, Muhammad (PBUH) holds such a central position that calling him a terrorist directly reflects on the Muslims.

I don't know about others. But to me, those cartoons are nothing but of a fat man in a turban with gibberish written on his speech balloon. I mean how did they know what he looked like? How do they know his personality? How? But then again, it's just a satirical magazine. And for what purpose (if any)? The French were known to have enjoyed making fun of Muslims in the past. But then, I don't care. I can make fun of pagans on how they worship dolls. But, I have better things to do.

Engaging in narcissism and controversy is not a good thing. And that should apply to Muslims as well.

As for 'freedom of speech', their country, their rules. But I guess that is the price of globalization eh?

 

[Ruisheng]

Why do muslims need to condemn it? What has muslims got to do with the death of some french islamophobic bigots? What happened in paris was just a criminal act under french law by certain individuals. Why should the community be responsible for acts of individuals of that community?

Can I ask a question: do you think that criminal act you claimed deserves death?

 

[Ussaid]

That "certain someone" is not some Tom Dick or Harry but the Prophet (PBUH). Are you really a Muslim or someone hiding behind the Pakistani flags? Looks like another syed.ali.haider (or maybe same syed.ali.haider with yet another fake ID) taking roots in PDF.

So you're suggesting a Pakistani has to be Muslim?

 

[Swastika]

This makes me want to bury my head in shame....

(P.S Murder related hate speech against (or certain groups) of people is banned in the western world. Charlie Hebdo's cartoon wasn't targeted against a group of people, it was merely a cartoon of a person who died 1400 years ago (it was not even offensive) ideologies can be insulted ).

sorry for bringing up dead tooicbut your last sentence is supporting CH attacks.


according to French laws they can insult a prophet then according to Islamic laws muslin can kill Cartoonist as well.