Muslim privates swear allegiance to Israel Defense Forces

[Nilgiri]

@Timur,
@Nilgiri
That info is false. Perhaps motivated. Who can imagine Israelis recruiting soldiers for IDF? Fyi, SDF (Singapore) sends troops to Israel for battle inoculation. These troops are actually deployed in the front to take part in fire-fight. For this tour DSF sends only non-Muslims.

LOL you base what Singapore decides to do as indication of IDF policy?

Singapore has a clear reason to do what it does. They do not trust the Malays basically. If you have read anything about Singapore's independence and Malaysia's threats made to Singapore, you would know why. Thats why for the longest time Singapore Air Force pilots were all Chinese and Indian ethnicity.....and only very recently a few vetted Malays were allowed.

If Singapore trusted its Malays, they would have sent Malays (and thus Muslims) to Israel.....I mean Israel for longest time since inception has enrolled and trained its Bedouin people in armed combat and their formation into special recon units and such (given Bedouin expertise). There is no ideology against Muslims per se in Israel as long as they recognise the jewish state and its right to exist as one.

So you yabbering on about this when there is a clear video of Muslims joining Israeli defence forces (and the real issues they face and how they deal with those) posted earlier, just shows everyone who is living in la-la land.

Its ok, its good that you do that. It is why your lot will be defeated again and again and again by the non-muslim societies. You expect everyone else to be the monolith that you dream of being yourself. That is your greatest weakness and you cannot even see it. That is excellent structural based news for us. It means our A-game is far in excess of whats needed....and B-game, C-game or lower is enough to defeat your lot should you decide to start something again.

 

[Pakistani E]

These aren't Muslims. Nope; they re Qadyianis who are encouraged by their leaders to fight for Israel. That's a requirement under the strategic alliance Zionists and Ahmadis have.

I am an Ahmadi and can confirm there isn't a single Ahmadi in IDF. Now stop lying and don't embarrass yourself further.

 

[DavidSling]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1310450412311159

 

[Saif al-Arab]

How can Palestinian Arabs serve for a country that occupies their brothers and sisters land and continues to steal more of it? No wonder that this conflict is going nowhere when you have such a big amount of traitors within you. Let alone that Abbas figure. Why has he not been removed yet by the people of the West Bank? Anyway I would like to know what is going on in the head of such an "Palestinian Israeli". None of this makes sense. In fact this region makes little sense anymore and its peoples.

How hard is it to elect/get a vocal Palestinian leader? Abbas can't be the best option out there. Locals must keep him in power. They are traitors by default if they aid such an leader. People of the West Bank have access to international media. They surely should know better by now. Why are they not doing anything to change status quo?

Help yourself before others can help you.

I guess that conservative Muslim Arab patriots (patriots as a whole) like me are a dying breed in this globalized world where money and power is the only thing that motivates people. Religion is dying, traditional values, patriotism/nationalism/call if what you want, sense of unity etc. What a disgusting direction the world is going.

 

[Solomon2]

How can Palestinian Arabs serve for a country that occupies their brothers and sisters land and continues to steal more of it?

Exactly. Plenty of people know that "Israel killing Arab innocents and stealing their land" are vile calumnies, even if they can't bring themselves to say so. These Muslims not only do but are challenging the liars in the most direct way possible, yes?

No wonder that this conflict is going nowhere when you have such a big amount of traitors within you.

Traitor to whom? Traitor to what?

I am an Ahmadi and can confirm there isn't a single Ahmadi in IDF.

Wow! How do you come by such knowledge?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Exactly. Plenty of people know that "Israel killing Arab innocents and stealing their land" are vile calumnies, even if they can't bring themselves to say so. These Muslims not only do but are challenging the liars in the most direct way possible, yes?

Traitor to whom? Traitor to what?

Traitors against their people, nation and religion by serving in the armed forces of the enemy that continues to steal their people's land and an enemy who oppresses them.

Nobody respects spineless traitors. Less so when that conflict is ONGOING. I can somewhat understand if this occurred after a peace deal or the creation of a Palestinian state.

Can you imagine Israeli Jews serving in Hamas or NSF? No, you cannot and if you could you would be calling them traitors as well.

If there were Saudi Arabians who joined Iran during a war I would not hesitate one second to kill them personally or order their execution. Traitors are one of the very lowest forms of humans. Especially in the Arab world.

Therefore one can only support the execution of traitors in Gaza by Hamas if found to be aiding or collaborating with Israel.

An example of traitors must be always made:

 

[Solomon2]

Traitors against their people, nation and religion by serving in the armed forces of the enemy that continues to steal their land and an enemy who oppresses them.

The real land thieves are the P.A. and Hamas; you can read about their actions here. Both are known for their violence and oppression against political opponents. While in Israel the minority Arabs can not only vote but be elected to parliament to denounce the Jewish State or serve as acting president.

 

[Pakistani E]

Wow! How do you come by such knowledge?

Because I know how many Ahmadis there are in Israel. I know the principal families and their occupation. I know who the local Amir of Jamaat-e- Ahmadiyya in Israel is. The Ahmadiyya community is tight-knit and close. We know who's who.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The real land thieves are the P.A. and Hamas; you can read about their actions here. Both are known for their violence and oppression against political opponents. While in Israel the minority Arabs can not only vote but be elected to parliament to denounce the Jewish State or serve as acting president.

Palestinian Arabs did not go to Eastern Europe (mainly) and the Arab world (mainly) to steal the lands of Ashkenazi (vast majority of those being Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians etc.) and Mizrahi Jews (vast, vast majority of those being Arab Jews) pre-1948.

Therefore the only thief, occupier and aggressor is Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. Similar to how the Israeli state continues to sponsor illegal settlements (considered as such by almost all international laws and organizations) in the West Bank.

In such a situation and under those circumstances and NOT that of peaceful coexistence, traitors cannot be respected. Anywhere.

Therefore when "Palestinian Israelis" (what a moronic name btw) serve in the armed forces of Israel they serve and aid the occupier and current enemy actively. They also support all Israeli actions by default. Therefore they are considered as traitors. During times of war/conflict the penalty for traitors is death. This penalty has been given to traitors across the world at all times. It even continues today but less so. Instead long prison sentences are preferred. Simply speaking, they are not accepted.

 

[Solomon2]

Palestinian Arabs did not go to Eastern Europe (mainly) and the Arab world (mainly) to steal the lands of Ashkenazi (vast majority of those being Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians etc.) and Mizrahi Jews (vast, vast majority of those being Arab Jews) pre-1948. Therefore the only thief, occupier and aggressor is Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.

No logic there so no honor due to you for this "argument". And since this is your base, you are not in a position to use this to denounce others as "traitors."

 

[Solomon2]

It is not my problem if you refuse to accept recorded history -

There was no need to explore errors of fact and cause-and-effect when logic alone suffices.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

There was no need to explore errors of fact and cause-and-effect when logic alone suffices.

It is not my problem if you refuse to accept recorded history let alone the history of your own people although I can see that you are not an Israeli Jew but an American one. Therefore you are most likely a Polish/Russian/Belarusian/Russian Jew. Thus your ties to Palestine are smaller (genetically) than the ties of the average Greek to this region of the world. Your entire worldview is based on lies, distortions and more of that.

Not only that you actively go against your supposed religion (Judaism) as well to make matters worse.

You are the textbook Zionist in other words. Full of complexes and hatred towards Muslims, Europeans, Catholics etc. and the usual story. Let alone victimhood. Most modern-day Jews have a Stockholm Syndrome. All your frustrations are now being exposed to defenseless Palestinians in Palestine.

Yet despite all those obvious tendencies (that the whole world can see and spot easily) you still have this delusional idea of being the "chosen people".

Of course far from all Jews are like that but a large number is exactly like that and most are Ashkenazi Zionist Jews.

I know Jews very well and have interacted with them for years and observed them. A visit to an average Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish forum will confirm much of what I said.

Well done, you should be proud of yourself!

 

[Solomon2]

@Saif al-Arab, why aren't you more concerned about the damage your emotional complexes have done and are doing to you than what mine may be doing to me? Your logic is all screwed up. "Because Arabs didn't steal the lands of Ashkenazi therefore the theives are the Jews." Don't you understand what this means? Not about Jews, but what you're saying about Arabs?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

So you don't even live in Israel, you do not believe in your supposed people's religion (Judaism), you support injustice and falsehood and you do not believe in justice, fairness etc. So what exactly is left in your life apart from attention seeking and money? Probably nothing else if you hold such views that are far removed from the teachings of Judaism and Abrahamic religion as a whole.

Luckily millions of Jews across the world can echo my views and agree with them.

@Saif al-Arab, why aren't you more concerned about the damage your emotional complexes have done and are doing to you than what mine may be doing to me? Your logic is all screwed up. "Because Arabs didn't steal the lands of Ashkenazi therefore the theives are the Jews." Don't you understand what this means? Not about Jews, but what you're saying about Arabs?

I have no emotional complexes as I am not actively part of the conflict however due to Palestinian Arabs being fellow Arabs, Muslims and followers of Abrahamic religions, neighbors, and due to their righteous struggle, I support their fight in achieving an independent Palestinian state with Al-Quds as the capital which is the right of every people.

When did Palestinian Arabs let alone Arabs steal Jewish land anywhere? Never in history did that occur. When Arabs, who have lived in modern-day Israel/Palestine as long as Jews (approximately 3000 years - take a look at all the World UNESCO Heritage Sites in Israel and see who built many of them - Nabateans do they ring any bells), arrived AGAIN in the form of Muslim Arabs some 1400 years ago there were hardly any Jews left in the region due to centuries of Roman oppression. In fact the first Muslim Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was the first non-Jewish ruler in almost 1 millennia who allowed Jews back to Al-Quds and who respected their places of worship. Once again it is not my problem that you do not know the history of the region however due to being an Ashkenazi Jew of likely Eastern European extraction your genetic ties to the region are limited and as such I do not expect your knowledge to be any different or love for the region/land. Which is also why you continue to support injustice and why you do not even do what you preach (live and serve Israel) but instead live in Washington DC of all places.

Anyway you can save your time, you are yet to win a single debate with me. In fact I don't recall ever losing one here. This might be considered as bragging but the truth is the truth.

Please return to posting one-liners and articles from Elders of Ziyon written by fellow Ashkenazi in the US. The Bernsteins, Arons and FALSE Cohens etc. Something that they have in common with the many Syed's in another part of the world but that is another discussion for another time.

So Solomon2, why do you continue to actively support injustice, oppression and falsehood? Are you not fearing the wrath of God? Or even karma? Or are you simply a sadist who likes to bother the defenseless?

 

[Solomon2]

I have no emotional complexes as I am not actively part of the conflict however due to Palestinian Arabs being fellow Arabs, Muslims and followers of Abrahamic religions, neighbors, and due to their righteous struggle -

Logic, cousin. If an Arab like yourself maintains that a people - in this case, Jews - are to be accounted thieves to be oppressed and killed simply because they moved from one country to another, then by the same logic Arabs themselves, everywhere other than Arabia, are to be accounted thieves when they migrate to other countries. So you give license to the people in these "host" countries to kill Arabs as they will.

You now see why I maintain your argument isn't worthy of honor: because if you advocate it you also empower those who argue that Arabs should be dispossessed and expelled, regardless of their conduct, just for being Arabs. And what Arab honors a fellow Arab who advocates giving up his own?

Of course, you may hold that when it comes to the Arab case the argument should be changed so Arabs "win". In that case not only do you reveal yourself as an outright racist, you also cheat people of the expectations you had instilled in them about yourself and your conduct - another form of robbery, hence you're a thief that way as well.