Muslim family expelled from Empire State building for praying get payout

[fallstuff]

Mr Super Einstien! Long before the destruction of Babri Structure, it was Babur who razed the temple on ground and built a Masjid on top of it. Those were the days of Islamic supremacy when thousands of temples were razed and looted. The peaceful crowd in Ayodhya just corrected a little historical injustice.

Regarding Golden Temple, both Sikhs and Hindus consider it holy and 1000s pay a visit to Shri Harmandir Sahib on a daily basis. A temple is a place of worship. Bhindrawala converted it into a virtual fortress with tonnes of ammo and explosives. He had to be flushed out. Though I accept it was Indira Gandhi's mistake to give prominence to Bhindrawala earlier. This special treatment by Govt made Bhindrawala think that he is the boss of Khalistan terrorist movement.

This Muslim couple did not create and incite a mob to seek justice. They filed suit to claim justice, subsequently the company chose to settle.

This is how you settle your grievances in America, you sue the people you believe did you wrong, unlike India where victims and survivors of the 1984 riot yet to receive any form of justice.

 

[scholseys]

Empire state building is now halal and the observation deck is now an official place for praying, Alhamdulillah!

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Public display of religiosity is about religious one-upmanship, as in 'I am holier than thou', and very little about genuine piety.

I agree those who want to pray should look for clean and quiet place to concentrate well . what do you think about public display of nudity and drinking at public places ? It don't gather unnecessary attention of crowds and give this impression as in 'I am modern than thou' and very little about genuine modernity. A guy praying at one corner of garden or street will not bring as much trouble as a guy who is drunk but still he has freedom

 

[feedermen]

Empire state building is a private commercial property and not a public place. The observation deck is not a prayer deck.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

For me---praying in public is a drama----it is all for show---.

I agree those who want to pray should look for clean and quiet place to concentrate well . what do you think about public display of nudity and drinking at public places ? It don't gather unnecessary attention of crowds and give this impression as in 'I am modern than thou' and very little about genuine modernity. A guy praying at one corner of garden or street will not bring as much trouble as a guy who is drunk but still he has freedom

Hi,

You don't need you God when you are drinking and being nude in public---.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Hi,

For me---praying in public is a drama----it is all for show---.



Hi,

You don't need you God when you are drinking and being nude in public---.

You did not get it. I was actually comparing their twisted concept of personal freedom. You cannot say that if a Muslim is praying on road or in garden its all show off unless you can go into his heart to find out his real intentions but i dont find it odd as long as he don't bring any disturbance in public which is true in case of drunk people but well here government will protect their personal choice even if they have to spend money and resources (to hire police) to protect these people

 

[MastanKhan]

You did not get it. I was actually comparing their twisted concept of personal freedom. You cannot say that if a Muslim is praying on road or in garden its all show off unless you can go into his heart to find out his real intentions but i dont find it odd as long as he don't bring any disturbance in public which is true in case of drunk people but well here government will protect their personal choice even if they have to spend money and resources (to hire police) to protect these people

Hi,

I do not need to get into his heart to find anything----it is all for show----. On the public sidewalk---on trunks of taxis----anywhere everywhere----in walkways of aircraft---these are no places for prayer---.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Hi,

I do not need to get into his heart to find anything----it is all for show----. On the public sidewalk---on trunks of taxis----anywhere everywhere----in walkways of aircraft---these are no places for prayer---.

lol OK if you claim to be God to know the intentions of people to judge their act of praying then fine

 

[MastanKhan]

lol OK if you claim to be God to know the intentions of people to judge their act of praying then fine

Kid,

There is a reason for houses of prayer---where there is calmness and serenity---where one can feel close to God----. Listen and learn kid listen and learn-----Pakistanis praying on sidealks, walkways, taxi trunks are all a show off drama---out of ignorance----.

A taxi driver can pray sitting inside the cab in his seat----places of public domain are not to be used for prayer---who would know how filthy that place was---.

Those people praying on the top of the building----in a quiet corner----how about that quiet corner was used for homosexual orgy the night before and remnants of those actions were still stuck to the floor and the glass and the bars----how about a regular sexual orgy on the top of the buiding----and the sticky sexual outcome still sticking AROUND.

how about filth on thee side walks---dog urine---dog feaces---other filth of all kinds---bird droppings----is that going to be your prayer mat----.

Aircraft walkway----contaminated with urine that is stuck to the soles of your feet and then gets transferred to the carpet----.

YOU WANT MORE----.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Kid,

There is a reason for houses of prayer---where there is calmness and serenity---where one can feel close to God----. Listen and learn kid listen and learn-----Pakistanis praying on sidealks, walkways, taxi trunks are all a show off drama---out of ignorance----.

A taxi driver can pray sitting inside the cab in his seat----places of public domain are not to be used for prayer---who would know how filthy that place was---.

Those people praying on the top of the building----in a quiet corner----how about that quiet corner was used for homosexual orgy the night before and remnants of those actions were still stuck to the floor and the glass and the bars----how about a regular sexual orgy on the top of the buiding----and the sticky sexual outcome still sticking AROUND.

how about filth on thee side walks---dog urine---dog feaces---other filth of all kinds---bird droppings----is that going to be your prayer mat----.

Aircraft walkway----contaminated with urine that is stuck to the soles of your feet and then gets transferred to the carpet----.

YOU WANT MORE----.

Uncle,

There are certain reasons when people offer prayers in garden or at public places .. Its because they cannot find any private room, praying area or mosques anywhere close to place where they are working, studying or doing some visits and also they want to pray on time as some prayers dont have much gaps between them and they dont wnat to do it qaza. stop judging the prayers of others. Its between them and God and you should not have any problem as long as they dont hurt you or any uncle sam

 

[syedali73]

Uncle,

There are certain reasons when people offer prayers in garden or at public places .. Its because they cannot find any private room, praying area or mosques anywhere close to place where they are working, studying or doing some visits and also they want to pray on time as some prayers dont have much gaps between them and they dont wnat to do it qaza. stop judging the prayers of others. Its between them and God and you should not have any problem as long as they dont hurt you or any uncle sam

Have you heard about 'qasar'? That is a concession from Allah for those who missed out their prayers are allowed to say the prayer at a later time point. When concession is already there, why would you not avail it? If someone is not availing it because of unawareness, well, they need to increase their knowledge about Islam; if they are not availing it while knowing about it, well then it is about showoff, something extremely disliked by Allah. In either case, the person is wrong.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Have you heard about 'qasar'? That is a concession from Allah for those who missed out their prayers are allowed to say the prayer at a later time point. When concession is already there, why would you not avail it? If someone is not availing it because of unawareness, well, they need to increase their knowledge about Islam; if they are not availing it while knowing about it, well then it is about showoff, something extremely disliked by Allah. In either case, the person is wrong.

Well some Muslims feel that you get more reward when you offer namaz on time instead of doing it qaza to offer it later just like you get more reward for praying namaz in jamat mosque

whether their prayers are show off or for God is not up to us to decide and day of judgement is there for this purpose and they will get sawaab or gunah based on their real intentions which only Allah know

 

[syedali73]

Well some Muslims feel that you get more reward when you offer namaz on time instead of doing it qaza to offer it later just like you get more reward for praying namaz in jamat mosque

whether their prayers are show off or for God is not up to us to decide and day of judgement is there for this purpose and they will get sawaab or gunah based on their real intentions which only Allah know

Qasar is defined as gift by the scholars. Why Allah has allowed that? because Allah is 'Hekeem', he know the limitations of Humans. Allah is 'Rahman' and 'Raheem' hence kind to his beings and makes worshiping him easy for them. Do these human know better than Allah? If Allah allows me to pray Qasar, who I am to think or decide otherwise? Of-course I cant see into the the heart of a person but it appears that a person is 'over-ruling' Allah's instruction in lust of show off for there appears no other reason of refusing a 'gift' from Allah himself.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Qasar is defined as gift by the scholars. Why Allah has allowed that? because Allah is 'Hekeem', he know the limitations of Humans. Allah is 'Rahman' and 'Raheem' hence kind to his beings and makes worshiping him easy for them. Do these human know better than Allah? If Allah allows me to pray Qasar, who I am to think or decide otherwise? Of-course I cant see into the the heart of a person but it appears that a person is 'over-ruling' Allah's instruction in lust of show off for there appears no other reason of refusing a 'gift' from Allah himself.

Dude we are talking about two different salah here

You are referring to qasar namaaz which musafirs offer during traveling/journey and they make their salah shorten
I am talking about qaza/Qada namaz which is to leave namaz because you are busy in work, study or anything else and could not offer it on time even though Islam dont accept these excuses if you leave it intentionally and pray it later with next salah or next day etc

here it is

Qada
In certain circumstances one may be unable to perform one's prayer within the prescribed time period (waqt). In this case, the prayer must be performed as soon as one is able to do so. Several Ahadith narrate that Muhammad stated that permissible reasons to perform Qada Salat are forgetfulness and accidentally sleeping through the prescribed time. However, knowingly sleeping through the prescribed time for Salat is deemed impermissible.

Qasr and Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn

When travelling over long distances, one may shorten some prayers, a practice known as qasr. Furthermore, several prayer times may be joined, which is referred to as Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn. Qasr involves shortening the obligatory components of the Zuhr, Asr, and Isha prayers to two rakats. Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn combines the Zuhr and Asr prayers into one prayer offered between noon and sunset, and the Maghrib and Isha prayers into one between sunset and Fajr. Neither Qasr nor Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn can be applied to the Fajr prayer.

There is no reference to Qasr during travel within the Qur'an itself; the Qur'an allows for Qasr when there is fear of attack, but does not forbid it for travel in non-hostile circumstances.

 

[syedali73]

Dude we are talking about two different salah here

You are referring to qasar namaaz which musafirs offer during traveling/journey and they make their salah shorten
I am talking about qaza/Qada namaz which is to leave namaz because you are busy in work, study or anything else and could not offer it on time even though Islam dont accept these excuses if you leave it intentionally and pray it later with next salah or next day etc

here it is

Qada
In certain circumstances one may be unable to perform one's prayer within the prescribed time period (waqt). In this case, the prayer must be performed as soon as one is able to do so. Several Ahadith narrate that Muhammad stated that permissible reasons to perform Qada Salat are forgetfulness and accidentally sleeping through the prescribed time. However, knowingly sleeping through the prescribed time for Salat is deemed impermissible.

Qasr and Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn

When travelling over long distances, one may shorten some prayers, a practice known as qasr. Furthermore, several prayer times may be joined, which is referred to as Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn. Qasr involves shortening the obligatory components of the Zuhr, Asr, and Isha prayers to two rakats. Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn combines the Zuhr and Asr prayers into one prayer offered between noon and sunset, and the Maghrib and Isha prayers into one between sunset and Fajr. Neither Qasr nor Jam' bayn as-Salaatayn can be applied to the Fajr prayer.

There is no reference to Qasr during travel within the Qur'an itself; the Qur'an allows for Qasr when there is fear of attack, but does not forbid it for travel in non-hostile circumstances.

Concept is still the same. If saying prayer is not practical or cause discomfort to bystanders, it can be postponed and said at a later point of time. In-fact in Shia sect, two prayers can be combined and said.