Musharraf 're-arrested' over Lal Masjid operation.

[Hyperion]

Are we discussing Kargil or Lal Masjid?


Lal Masjid was a justified op - maybe wrong approach to use bullets. All inhabitants of that wretched compound should have been VXed. No one should have been allowed to live, along with them women.





Off topic:

@Zarvan, select 4 for yourself.

 

[rockstar08]

lal masjid ? you gotta be kidding me , killing terrorist is crime in pak ?

 

[batmannow]

Are we discussing Kargil or Lal Masjid?


Lal Masjid was a justified op - maybe wrong approach to use bullets. All inhabitants of that wretched compound should have been VXed. No one should have been allowed to live, along with them women.





Off topic:

@Zarvan, select 4 for yourself.

offtopic!
googli khan jee! guss what he is one of them?

lal masjid ? you gotta be kidding me , killing terrorist is crime in pak ?

yes killing a TTp opreator, & its supporters is the worst crime, in pakistan then if you are with them doing day night overtime bombing evrywhere?
killing muslims, killing christains, killing shias?
in the end, as a pride of performence, they been given free offices to carry out thier holy work? by our rulers?

 

[SQ8]

Sometimes silence is necessary to safeguard future plans. Mush has been pushed in talking otherwise he was also silent.

They will not because a FAIR inquiry

Again, the first statement implies a non-proven assumption that lies only in those that support that idea. If it is to the level of belief then debate on that is useless.

And the second statement implies that the only fair inquiry is one that absolves Musharraf or the security forces of all blame is also self defeating as then its not fair already as you wish for set outcome to decree it fair. Well, in essence his fault is having to give into the operation after losing the SSG commander and essentially his support from his former unit if no action was taken; So truly for him it was a Hobsons Choice when it came to the decision.

The being said, somebody has to answer for the manner in which the operation was conducted and the repercussions of it.

thats what he want, to get the security cordon goes off?
you think there are not enough retired SSG red caps to defend him with thier love?
again your knowledge about pakarmy is same to a pan farosh on the karachi streets?
its ok, he dies he dies?
thats the life, every commando lives?
but then just remember, no one will be safe or asking security from PA? right
all of the dam damocrates will be on thier own , infront of TTp?
lets rock & roll!
lets decide , if terrorists hve the right to bomb peoples for thier own agenda?
& the civillians to take up, arms against terrorits to defend themselves?

Not sure whether my post looks like a Pan wallas or yours ,but will his private security be able to defend him from a concentrated attack like one carried out on Kamra or the sort carried out on him in Rawalpindi? At the end, 10-20 men may not be enough in that case whether or not they are prepared to die for him as the attackers will be as well. Therefore, the deterrence to such an adventure by the Taliban is the cordon of Rangers and Police that protect him and which are only available to him as long as he is under trail and under arrest.

 

[rockstar08]

offtopic!
googli khan jee! guss what he is one of them?


yes killing a TTp opreator, & its supporters is the worst crime, in pakistan then if you are with them doing day night overtime bombing evrywhere?
killing muslims, killing christains, killing shias?
in the end, as a pride of performence, they been given free offices to carry out thier holy work? by our rulers?

i dont understand your point sir

 

[SQ8]

Are we discussing Kargil or Lal Masjid?


Lal Masjid was a justified op - maybe wrong approach to use bullets. All inhabitants of that wretched compound should have been VXed. No one should have been allowed to live, along with them women.

It is the bumbled effort in taking that compound(lasting a week) that polarized the nutjob potentials into action. If it did last that long(in the hope of negotiations)..then it should have ensured that women and children all get out. However, at the end there was a lot more damage done to the national fabric due to the use of AP rounds by enraged SSG guys. Some say the whole operation kick started after that because for Mush it was a matter of honour(and seat safety) with his old unit.

Today, in areas that range from Jamia Binooria in Karachi, to Melody market you are bound to see posters that depict this as the second Karbala. People read those posters, are polarized and then end up with an Ak or a vest. It was the incident that sparked off the downward spiral and should have been handled more intelligently.

 

[rockstar08]

nad if you have not forgotten, MQM was very much part of that very government.

lo ek aur mqm hater a gaya medan mai

 

[Hyperion]

That's precisely why I stated that they should have used nerve gas. All mission objectives could have been accomplished without any visible side affects. Clean up crews could have gone in with body bags, and packaged them nicely.

Furthermore, it's my firm belief that Pakistani qaum only understand "danday kee zabban", they have been corrupted so much that they actually feel that any law that does not suite them, they have some sort of Islamic right to break it.

Pakistani's are not ready for democracy, just like the Arabs, no matter how much we may like to kid ourselves. Different arguments such as we haven't been given the opportunity et al, mean zilch. There is a marked difference between attitude of civilized races and sheep herders, unfortunately no matter how much we may wish that we belong to the former, we, in-fact, belong to the latter group. Therefore, a democratic system in it's present form, shall never be applicable to our people.

My take, only "intelligent" way to deal would be stick and carrot approach. After all, we are worse than animals.

It is the bumbled effort in taking that compound(lasting a week) that polarized the nutjob potentials into action. If it did last that long(in the hope of negotiations)..then it should have ensured that women and children all get out. However, at the end there was a lot more damage done to the national fabric due to the use of AP rounds by enraged SSG guys. Some say the whole operation kick started after that because for Mush it was a matter of honour(and seat safety) with his old unit.

Today, in areas that range from Jamia Binooria in Karachi, to Melody market you are bound to see posters that depict this as the second Karbala. People read those posters, are polarized and then end up with an Ak or a vest. It was the incident that sparked off the downward spiral and should have been handled more intelligently.

 

[batmannow]

It is the bumbled effort in taking that compound(lasting a week) that polarized the nutjob potentials into action. If it did last that long(in the hope of negotiations)..then it should have ensured that women and children all get out. However, at the end there was a lot more damage done to the national fabric due to the use of AP rounds by enraged SSG guys. Some say the whole operation kick started after that because for Mush it was a matter of honour(and seat safety) with his old unit.

Today, in areas that range from Jamia Binooria in Karachi, to Melody market you are bound to see posters that depict this as the second Karbala. People read those posters, are polarized and then end up with an Ak or a vest. It was the incident that sparked off the downward spiral and should have been handled more intelligently.

funny cause you are ending up of logic?SOME SAID!
mush it. was a matter of honour, but not for pakistani nation? i agree on that?
his presidential seat was in danger? it went into danger after taking the action, thts why still it is over projected as his sins?
but when we compare our national political leadership of today, which want to give in to terrorist demands, & giving up free office spaces to the TTp, we as a nation dont feel any shame?
no where in the world, no body gives up free office spaces to terrorists, dont come up qatar thing, cause its already been closed down!

 

[batmannow]

I dont need indoctrination, I need facts and the second bolded sentence is a claim and NOT a fact. I certainly doubt you have more than me on Kargil considering you are referring to a retired colonel as the most authentic source. It would be certainly counter productive for you to engage in a "source" match or put up the rather hollow excuse of "you are out to criticize the PA". Why dont we hear the colonels accounts(as given to you) on how this was a strategic master-stroke on say this thread.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/20672-kargil-pafs-role-paf-officer-10.html

reported off topic, derailing thread!
your hate against PAKARMY is just going insane? trying to prove yourself, already earned you a lot of disrespect?
you are nor judge nor jurry, to decide & hear all the back drop of that, just war?
& if you think, getting it from opportutnists, who just wanted to sell thier books, then keep it up?
but just check what our enemey, says about kargill & PA succsess rate, which isnt is the topic here anyway?

 

[batmannow]

Considering that most of these folks can't find the point (lord knows where the multiple "strategic" peaks came from) in question (p-17561) on a map its an exercise in futility to try and break through the "wall". You should relegate yourself to singing paeans, celebrating Musharraf obviously.

reported offtopic!
typical INDIAN responce?
defaming PAKARMYobviously?
didnt musharaf made your anchor speech less in his last interview to the indian tv channel

 

[batmannow]

That's precisely why I stated that they should have used nerve gas. All mission objectives could have been accomplished without any visible side affects. Clean up crews could have gone in with body bags, and packaged them nicely.

Furthermore, it's my firm belief that Pakistani qaum only understand "danday kee zabban", they have been corrupted so much that they actually feel that any law that does not suite them, they have some sort of Islamic right to break it.

Pakistani's are not ready for democracy, just like the Arabs, no matter how much we may like to kid ourselves. Different arguments such as we haven't been given the opportunity et al, mean zilch. There is a marked difference between attitude of civilized races and sheep herders, unfortunately no matter how much we may wish that we belong to the former, we, in-fact, belong to the latter group. Therefore, a democratic system in it's present form, shall never be applicable to our people.

My take, only "intelligent" way to deal would be stick and carrot approach. After all, we are worse than animals.

realistcly thinking, another of super post within a week?
khan jee, what are you eating these days?

 

[Dillinger]

reported offtopic!
typical INDIAN responce?
defaming PAKARMYobviously?
didnt musharaf made your anchor speech less in his last interview to the indian tv channel

FLAWLESS VICTORY, he got a garrulous anchor to tone it down, let me look for that among the achievements of other less significant people.

 

[batmannow]

FLAWLESS VICTORY, he got a garrulousness anchor to tone it down, let me look for that among the achievements of other less significant people.

reported offtopic!
its past, but i promise you KEEP trying PAKARMY, you allways going to hve a scandle for the cofin wood for the dead indian soilders?

 

[Dillinger]

reported offtopic!
its past, but i promise you KEEP trying PAKARMY, you allways going to hve a scandle for the cofin wood for the dead indian soilders?

Better to have a scandal then to have the enemy perform the last rights for your jawaans.

Musharraf proved himself to be a sub-par military strategist but an able administrator. His handling of affairs in the geopolitical and military arena were found to be wanting, his ability to handle the TTP was on the other hand unparalleled and unmatched by the likes of Zardari and Nawaz. That's all there is to it.

Not to mention his handling of the Lal masjid affair was far better than what Zardari and co. would have done, he took a harsh but necessary decision knowing full well the amount of acrimony it would earn him.