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Murder, rape and shattered families: 1947 Partition Archive effort underway

The arrogance of hindus remain as far as they are concerned muslims were savages and butchers and hindus protected muslims, that arrogance remains to this day.

Fact is hindus, muslims and sikhs were complicit in the partition savagery
 
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I wonder what survivors of that time would say if they knew about PDF.

Sadly both sets of my grandparents are no more.

they would have slapped these morons who support the partition which lead to the death of millions!! tell me did family of jinnah or nehru die in the riots??? they were sitting in there luxurious rooms enjoying western luxuries....its the innocent and helpless that alwaz die...

What about the genocide by Tribal raiders from NFWP in Kashmir which is also well documented but u will not accept that version.

Why was Mr Jinnah more interested in Hyderbad & Junagadh though both had more 90% Hindu population.

Why did Liaqaut Ali Khan refused to exchange Kashmir with Hyderabd & Junagadh


Well Bong,Dhaka had more then 80% Hindu population, I have read it somewhere

well i don't know about 80prcnt but there was a sizable amount of hindus there... even now hindus are sizable there...a few relatives are still there...
you won't believe there are stories of good deeds of humanity too... my paternal grandfather told me when noakhali was hit by riots, many muslims helped hindus flee... muslims fisherman hid grandfather and his family in boat n helped to cross the river..
 
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I don't know what can I contribute to this thread :( but I have a personal feeling about partition that It was not good for both of us "AT THAT TIME" now its ok.. as you have mentioned lots of peoples died.. it could have been a different case If partition was peaceful nevertheless its not the time to remember those painful moments rather we should move on and make our country a prosperous and lets be friends for once and forever :-)
 
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Partition was quite bad.... Several people lost their life on both sides of the border...... Probably that is one of the reason why we still hate each other.......
We do not hate each other because of the partition or what happened during the mass migrations, for if this was true, Hindus and Muslims of South India (that was least affected by those migrations) would be at good terms; the partition itself was a result of that hatred, which emanated from the occupation of Indian subcontinent by the conquerors from Central Asia.
 
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Partition was a good thing...only the killing was Bad....some references can be found in Lyallpur Kahani...
 
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I remember as a teenager in the 90's at Islamabad airport returning to uk from ajk my family at the airport bumped into family friends who were also sending someone to uk on their own. The person travelling was a very old man with thick black glasses and a cane walking stick. Since I was travelling alone, and this old man was travelling alone they asked my cousins if I could look after the old man on the journey and ensure he is picked up at Heathrow safely. I agreed, albeit slightly disappointed as any young teenager contemplating being lumbered with an OAP.

The old man with a strong potwari accent seemed nice but very talkative and for an old man seemed to me be quite full of himself, always had a story to tell. He took the window seat and bugged the stewardesses no end, requesting complimentary drinks and blanket, headphones you name it.

One thing stuck in my mind that the old man kept saying which at the time I thought was arrogant, in potawaari ' tu takhee puttar, London jilay pujhe, te maray vaste hilgat avsee ( watch son when we get to London there will crowds waiting for me). I shrugged it of thinking this old man is deluded.

When we got to Heathrow arrivals to my amazement there were about 50-60 Sikhs men women and children with garlands and came up to him touching his knees and hugging him. We said our goodbyes although I felt a bit baffled and the old man assured me and thanked me.

I made enquiries through family and discovered that during partition as a young man with a young family in kasgumma, ajk this man had hid two Sikh families for months during bloodshed partition and had personally took them through bhimber district and into iok Jammu area on horse and cart with help from his family in ajk literally overnight at great risk to himself until they reached safety despite him being very poor.

I'm sure there were similar stories on the other side of the border. The killings were on both sides and no side was free from blame. We must learn from the horrors of partition.
 
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Sept. 19, 1947: Muslim refugees sit on the roof of an overcrowded coach railway train near New Delhi in trying to flee India. Millions of Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan. Partition marked a massive upheaval across the subcontinent. Hindus living for generations in what was to become Pakistan had to flee their homes overnight. —AP/file
LAHORE: Sitting in his office while students stroll by under leafy shade trees and rickshaws tut-tut on a nearby road, Khawaja Muhammad Zakariya thinks back to a tumultuous time decades ago when his country was violently split in two: the partition of India.

His father hurried home one day, telling his young son they had to gather up their money and jewelry and leave their Muslim neighborhood immediately for an uncle's house across town.

“The day we moved ... that area was attacked, and many were killed and injured but we had left about two hours before,” Zakariya said, recalling the violence-plagued months leading up to partition.

The family later left Amritsar for good, taking only the valuables they could carry, joining other families on packed trains to Lahore.

The retired professor of Urdu literature in his mid-70s spoke from his office at Punjab University in Lahore, just 50 kilometers (30 miles) from the Indian city of Amritsar.

He was relaying his life history to a volunteer from The 1947 Partition Archive.

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Sept. 19, 1947: Muslim refugees sit on the roof of an overcrowded coach railway train near New Delhi in trying to flee India. Millions of Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan. Partition marked a massive upheaval across the subcontinent. Hindus living for generations in what was to become Pakistan had to flee their homes overnight. —AP/file
The archive is a massive effort to collect stories from people who remember the 1947 split of the subcontinent, often referred to the largest mass migration in history.

The generation that still remembers the birth of modern India and Pakistan are now elderly men and women, and it's a race against time to record as many stories as possible. “That segment of the population is disappearing really, really fast,” said Guneeta Singh Bhalla, the Berkeley, Calif.-based executive director and driving force of the archive, speaking by telephone. “Within the next five years the vast majority of what's remaining is going to be gone. “

Partition marked a massive and bloody upheaval.

Hindus living for generations in what was to become Pakistan had to flee their homes overnight.

At the same time, millions of Muslims abandoned their homes to cross the border into Pakistan.

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A man looks at pictures regarding the history of Pakistan's independence, displayed at a museum in Lahore, Pakistan. Partition marked a massive upheaval across the subcontinent. Hindus living for generations in what was to become Pakistan had to flee their homes overnight. —AP
The hastily-arranged partition of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan was brokered by the departing British colonialists.

Months of violence preceded the partition announcement, often whipped up by politicians or various religious and political groups jockeying for power.

In the chaotic days and months following the August independence of India and Pakistan, violence multiplied as religious sentiment intensified and there was little in the way of police or military to maintain order.

There are no exact numbers of people killed and displaced, but estimates range from a few hundred thousand to two million killed and more than 10 million displaced.

Bhalla's interest in oral histories was sparked by a visit to a memorial in Hiroshima featuring similar work.

She began recording stories of survivors she knew in the US until there were so many people wanting to tell their story she recruited more volunteers.

Eventually she created a non-profit organization in 2011 devoted to tracking down survivors and recording their stories.

She quit her job in December 2012 and now devotes all her time to the archive, based out of offices at U.C. Berkeley.

So far, their contributors have collected more than 2,000 oral histories from partition survivors.

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Prakhar Joshi, left, asks a question to 86-year old Desh Raj Kalra during an interview at his residence in New Delhi, India. Joshi has spent the last 15 months crisscrossing the country interviewing about 150 people to record oral histories including the partition of India. Often, this means listening to extremely personal stories of murder, rape and shattered families. —AP
They want to have 10,000 by 2017, she said. In a sign of how far people traveled after partition, Bhalla has received stories from nine countries and in 10 different languages.

Her own family migrated from Lahore to India during partition but emotional ties to the family's old hometown are strong:

“I still know their addresses."

In India, Prakhar Joshi has spent the last 15 months crisscrossing the country interviewing about 150 people.

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86-year old Desh Raj Kalra talks with Prakhar Joshi, right, at the end of an interview at his residence in New Delhi, India. Joshi has spent the last 15 months crisscrossing the country interviewing about 150 people to record oral histories including the partition of India. Often, this means listening to extremely personal stories of murder, rape and shattered families. —AP
Often, this means listening to extremely personal stories of murder, rape and shattered families.

While every person he interviewed had their own version of displacement, some stories left Joshi distraught for weeks.

He recalled a 76-year old man in New Delhi who was an eight-year old boy in a refugee camp on the Indian side of the border in the days when violence was at its height. “One of the camp leaders handed out sticks and other weapons to the men. And small spears to the young boys in the camp,” Joshi said.

The man told Joshi they were ordered to kill anyone younger than them.

After almost 68 years, Joshi said, the man still has trouble sleeping thinking about the children he killed. “When I started collecting stories, my first few stories were very traumatic. They shook me to the core. I knew riots had happened, but I never knew the scale of the savagery,” Joshi said.

Not every story is so horrific although partition seems to have left a lasting memory for most.

Desh Raj Kalra was 18 when his family left behind their sprawling house and grain trading store in Pakistan. He remembers a childhood where Hindus and Muslims lived together amicably.

But one day the village chief, who was Muslim, told them he'd heard reports of violence and that they should leave. “We thought we would be back in 10 to 15 days so we left everything behind. My grandfather told us: governments may change but people will never change. But it's been 68 years now. None of us ever went back. And now I am too old to make the journey,” he said.

The interviewers don't just ask about partition itself.

Armed with an extensive questionnaire, volunteer Umair Mushtaq talked with Zakariya, the retired professor, for three hours.

They discussed Zakariya's memories of flying kites as a young child, watching wrestling matches, his family's struggles as refugees in Pakistan, and Zakariya's university studies and marriage.

Eventually, Bhalla said, the archive would like to have a physical space where people can hear the histories and learn more about partition.

Zakariya said he's glad there's a project like this to make the stories available for future generations. “Even my children, they put many questions to me about partition,” he said.

“When I started collecting stories, my first few stories were very traumatic. They shook me to the core. I knew riots had happened, but I never knew the scale of the savagery,”
so sad ......:( The misery,the savagery.........
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I blame the confusion, the hatred and savagery on British, who had initially given a date (to leave India) in 1948 but later preponed the date by an year in 1947. The shock of partition was what caused the violence.
I would hate to put myself in the shoes of those who 'd to face it.

In 1947, Beaumont was private secretary to the senior British judge, Sir Cyril Radcliffe, who was chairman of the Indo-Pakistan Boundary Commission.
Radcliffe was responsible for dividing the vast territories of British India into India and Pakistan , separating 400 million people along religious lines.
The family documents show that Beaumont had a stark assessment of the role played by Britain in the last days of the Raj.
"The viceroy, Mountbatten, must take the blame - though not the sole blame - for the massacres in the Punjab in which between 500,000 to a million men, women and children perished," he writes.
"The handover of power was done too quickly."

But Beaumont - who later in life was a circuit judge in the U.K. - is most scathing about how partition affected the Punjab, which was split between India and Pakistan.
"The British government and Mountbatten must bear a large part of the blame for this tragedy.

Gallimaufry: Christopher Beaumont 1947 and the horror stories of India's brutal partition into pakistan and india-FROM INTERNET
read this article....
Have you watched "the day India burned" documentary?
 
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Yaaa.... many times... don't know what to say... thank God we were not born that time to see the horrors...

youtube.com/watch?v=ppMJGxcFACg
 
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my grandad had lived in peshawar and quetta and lahore.. half of his life in Pakistan.. and during partition he was in quetta , from there he went back to peshawar some how to lahore and then finally amritsar. he told story of all sort of brutality.. trains were equiped with anti aircraft guns .. and then militaries used to escort the refugees .
 
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Did you know that Maulana Azad also supported likes of Ahrar? Known extremist Mullahs whose goal was to wipe Ahmadiyya from face of the world. Today these Ahraris reside in Pakistan and create a lot of trouble in Rabwah. Ahraris were anti Pakistan, so wtf are they doing in Pakistan? They should be sent back to their motherland India to be buried with Moualna Azad.

He was a power hungry crowns who also later titled himself as the alama Al hind or something like that..

By being a pompom boy for Desert, you have just contributed to the demise of your own thread. Nice going.



Nonsense. Since when did Muslim Majority Area = Not Hindustan ?

The frontier provinces were not Hindustan. Nor were they Pakistan. They were Afghanistan and Iran respectively. And arguably still are.

Punjab and Sindh and East Bengal were always Hindustan.



So are you and Desert.

There was no such thing as a United "Hindustan"... Apart from the Mughal or british who "United" it... Heck when te british came there were over 600 states = india...

Further more do some research and see how much love the Pubjabis had for "hindustanis"... Even Gurkha held you guys in contempt.

What about the genocide by Tribal raiders from NFWP in Kashmir which is also well documented but u will not accept that version.


By whom ? Do quote international sources !

I can quote several internation sources which reported of mass genocode by ghulab singh who was also supported by indian govt and Rajas like the maharaja of patiala etc!

There is a case when ghulab singh under his watch killed over 260k kashmiris ... the millions of refugees pouring down Jhelum valley is also documented .. And so is the burning of entire villages ..


Why was Mr Jinnah more interested in Hyderbad & Junagadh though both had more 90% Hindu population.
both states were ruled by muslim rulers who supported succession to Pak .. The nawab of junagarh even ceeded with Pak but we all know how india occupied those countries militarily.

Why did Liaqaut Ali Khan refused to exchange Kashmir with Hyderabd & Junagadh

when did that happen?


Well Bong,Dhaka had more then 80% Hindu population, I have read it somewhere

This is hilarious .. @asad71
 
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There was no such thing as a United "Hindustan"... Apart from the Mughal or british who "United" it... Heck when te british came there were over 600 states = india...

Does not change the fact that its always been seen throughout history by cultures and civilizations across the world as Hindustan. As the HINDU civilization.

Then there was the Persian civilization. Who's true inheritors are the Iran of today.

And then there were the Afghans, who make up Afghanistan.

Pakistan is an artificial rump state cleaved from two ancient civilizations, and 3 genuine nationalities. You should know as a Baloch that you have nothing whatsoever in common with Pakistan. The Indic Pakistan. Your heritage and all your roots are Iranic, and if one must split hairs, then a case could be made for an independent Balochistan which straddles Pakistani Balochistan and the Iranian Baluchistan.

The reason Pakistan canot and will never find peace with its three neighbors is that you are built on territory cleaved from all 3. You are the classic breakaway renegade state. Nothing of your own, except that which has been snatched from another's plate.

And it is also the reason why you will first and foremost never find peace within. Oil and water are never going to mix in a single entity. You may call one side the cocksuckers. Fact is there are cocksuckers from both sides doing the killing.
 
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