Multi-role combat aircraft not fit for BrahMos

[IND151]

If a light weight fighter like jf-17 can carry a cruise missile of 1500 kg then why not a medium weight aircraft can carry 2500 kg of cruise missile . after looking at the fact that the two qualified contenders for MRCA are EF-2000 and Rafale and both are much heavier than jf-17 and have much heavy payloads capacity when compared with jf-17 , not only that but also both Rafale and Ef-2000 are powered by twin and more powerful engines when compared to single engine of jf-17 .

Weight is not the issue may be Russia don't want india to give the codes of Brahmos to europeans because for missile to be carried by an aircraft integration is needed and for that integration there are certain codes by the manufacturers. No doubt that india is a partner to that project but certain things are necessary to be hidden , like Russia didn't allowed IAF to use MKI radars during exercise with USAF though a bit different case but for the sake of understanding

the capacity of hard point to bear weight is limited.

maybe hard points of EFT of rafale cant carry 2000 plus kg weight. capacity of different hard points is different.

 

[Thomas]

Wow man...
how can ESSm stop a stealthy 3mach cruse missile which gets into sea skimming mode at 10meters above sea and hit the target with 3mach...
and also On setember 5 2010 BrahMos create a record for the first supersonic steep dive..

i want to know it..
can u please give me source

ESSM is mach 4+


http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms01_055809.pdf

"The Evolved SeaSparrow Missile offers best-in-world performance against high-speed, highly maneuverable anti-ship cruise missiles,
surface threats and low-velocity air threats."

Threat Coverage
• High-speed, highly maneuverable anti-ship missiles (SS-N-22,
Brahmos, etc.)
• Moderately fast and agile anti-ship missiles (Exocet, etc.)
• Aircraft
• Helicopters
• Surface targets

 

[Jon Snow]

dont need brahmos, they will come with scalp/stormshadow

 

[Thomas]

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[rajusri]

India is the only country which will have all types of modern anti ship missiles.

Brahmos
Club
Exocet block 2/3
Harpoon block 2


We can test our defences against all types of targets.

MRCA will get KEPD 350 or Storn Shadow.

 

[Jon Snow]

India is the only country which will have all types of modern anti ship missiles.

Brahmos
Club
Exocet block 2/3
Harpoon block 2


We can test our defences against all types of targets.

MRCA will get KEPD 350 or Storn Shadow.

good point... I'm sure the barak ng is tested against all these missiles(since we are a partner in its development),it will be one of the best sam's in the world

 

[IndianTiger]

Brahamos designed for su30mki and not for MMRCA

 

[IndianTiger]

another fail for india .... keep counting...

why you people always troll, and try to destroy threads, MMRCA were never considered to carry Brahamos In fact Su30mki was planned for that, MMRCA aircrafts are light to medium class and not designed to carry missile like Brahmos. and about failure, we fail because we try on our own and do not revers engineer the products of other country,

 

[Mani2020]

Because it has nothing to do with the fighter size and weight, but with the size and weight limit of the hardpoint! The Eurofighter for example hs a payload of 7.5t, but the centerline station lies directly between the gear bays and that limits the size of loads that the fighter can carry at this station. While 1000l fuel tanks can be carried there, the cruise missiles it will integrate in future are too big and can be carried only at the wingstations:

So the diameter of Brahmos alone would be a reason why the Eurofighter can't use it, but same can be said about the lenght and maybe even the weight, while the latter is the reason why it can't be carried on the wingstations. Also keep in mind that even the MKI needs changes in the airframe and hardpoint structure to carry such a heavy weapon, which makes it difficult of course to find a platform. The next version of Brahmos is said to be lighter and smaller, to make MKI able to carry up to 3 of them. This version, which is already under development, will be available for Pak Fa / FGFA as well (externally) and could then be integrated into MMRCAs as well, if needed.
However, it is more likely that IAF wants to procure the winning MMRCA with Storm Shadow / Scalp cruise missile, as an alternative to Brahmos.

Thats what i was saying , if you look at my post you can check out the post to which i was replying was saying that an MRCA can't carry 2500kg cruise missile and my post was in accordance to that , in which i clearly stated that weight is not the issue there might be something else which would have restricted the integration like the one prospect would be the code issue also there may have been other prospects as well

 

[cyphercide]

Wake up bros.Weight isn't the only the singular factor of which class of weapons would be carried on-board an combat aircraft.It's as ludicrous as saying if shotgun shells were light enough,they could be fired from an AK-47.The BrahMos cruise missile isn't a free-fall bomb but a cruise missile that requires compatible avionics for interfacing it with the aircraft.

That's precisely why BrahMos gets retrofitted with the compatible SU-30 MKIs and the American Harpoon missiles get deployed within the compatible French Jaguars of the IAF. A decision is yet to be made on the MRCA between the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale(please lord,let it be the Typhoon!) but it's a safe bet that neither would be getting armed with BrahMos after induction.The title of this article is deliberately misleading to rile folks up.

 

[Mani2020]

So you say heavy weight aircraft Su30 should carry extended range version of Brahmos with more weight?
Dont worry India is developing supersonic 1000km range cruise missile.
We dont have a need to modify MRCA to be Brahmos capable , we have 40 Mki's to finish the job each with 1-3 Brahmos.

Firstly my reply was in response to your post in which you said that an MRCA can't carry 2500kg missile, and in my post i jst tried to say that there is not weight issue. i never mentioned that will there be any version with light weight or mki blah blah, so don't exaggerate things on your own , and you guys have habbit of bringing mki in every topic and thread where its even not necessary , when i said that mki will not carry brahmos? or there is no fighter in IAF inventory which can carry brahmos? or anything like that?

When the MRCA manufacturer is giving license and source code to us , why will we ask them to integrate. We and Russians can manage it.
Hey Russia didnt stop us , we only switched off radar so that illegally jammers cannot be made against it.
Dont worry soon we will have aesa in mki's so that we can switch it on.

I said the codes issue would have been one probability which means that there can be other possibilities too, regarding the codes thing its still not crystal clear , wait for something official to pop out than one can say something, i jst tried to prove you that there can also be other possibilities rather than weight issue,it was as simple as that but you came up with emotional mki stuff and all that hu ha hu which i never talked about

 

[tvsram1992]

ESSM is mach 4+


http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms01_055809.pdf

"The Evolved SeaSparrow Missile offers best-in-world performance against high-speed, highly maneuverable anti-ship cruise missiles,
surface threats and low-velocity air threats."

Threat Coverage
• High-speed, highly maneuverable anti-ship missiles (SS-N-22,
Brahmos, etc.)
• Moderately fast and agile anti-ship missiles (Exocet, etc.)
• Aircraft
• Helicopters
• Surface targets

Ok can the radar detect a missile flying at 3m?
At what distance and what will be the reaction time?
If you think still it can win wait for Brahmos II

 

[tvsram1992]

Firstly my reply was in response to your post in which you said that an MRCA can't carry 2500kg missile, and in my post i jst tried to say that there is not weight issue. i never mentioned that will there be any version with light weight or mki blah blah, so don't exaggerate things on your own , and you guys have habbit of bringing mki in every topic and thread where its even not necessary , when i said that mki will not carry brahmos? or there is no fighter in IAF inventory which can carry brahmos? or anything like that?

Reply to My post???
So whose habit is bringing Brahmos in MRCA?

I said the codes issue would have been one probability which means that there can be other possibilities too, regarding the codes thing its still not crystal clear , wait for something official to pop out than one can say something, i jst tried to prove you that there can also be other possibilities rather than weight issue,it was as simple as that but you came up with emotional mki stuff and all that hu ha hu which i never talked about

So you really scare of mki's.
Dont worry soon MRCA will also...
You speak the probabilities of what will not happen.
U never talked about mki???
Then who said Russia didnt allow mki radars to be switched off?
U failed.