Mullah of a local mosque incited murder of Christian couple, says police

[Dubious]

I have some questions.

• What is real Islam?

• That which is in the Quran and "SAHIH" hadith...In fact you might not even need the hadith to recognize it

Once people start flushing fatwahs by unlearned people who have hijacked Islam or stop going to them and opening the Quran themselves instead of letting it gain dust on their shelves they will learn to see the difference!

• Who defines real Islam?

• Allah in the Quran has defined it

• Is there a country now which practices real Islam?

• 1 country? no..But since it is the religion of GOD ...meaning it is natural people fall on it and practice it without knowing

• When in history did this real Islam exist?

• When people wanted it and valued Allah over themselves...Prophet and Sahaba´s time...When people were afraid to even do 1 kajoor ka insaaf...

• And if so, why was it real then and not now?

Because now people prefer to go to uneducated unlearned men to explain to them (people who basically will explain what they want the other to know..In the Quran such people are known to have sold their religion for a little bit of fame) instead of spending few hours to learn the real thing.
With internet at your fingertips people prefer to research on what their neighbour is doing over what will benefit them in the grave and hereafter.....

 

[saiyan0321]

Here is the thing. forgot about the mullah kafir and his cronies. WTF were the people standing there doing. reports say that 1800 to 2000 people came to watch this and yet they stood there and watched them burn and get tortured and then we wonder why we are in such a shitty state.

People are dead and have left the capability to think for themselves. Man we are living in some real dark age here. Without any strong proof, without any court decision how can you condemn them to such a death. Clearly we are losing our minds and this must be stopped/ We must tell and teach ourselves that those that are of different religion are human beings too and deserve their rights in which right to trial exists. Nobody can condemn them like that. Nobody, Ideally 2000 FIR must be made against everyone as watching a crime and not doing anything is also a crime.

 

[Dubious]

Funny now the mullah and the mob are declared not following the right Islam. But then there are issues involving Muslims every nook and corner of the world so probably nobody follows real Islam these days..

Well if you see my explaination to @SarthakGanguly you will see how Indian mindset itself is responsible for this slow poisoning...

Btw, isn't it taught to Muslims to kill anyone who insults their religion or the prophet. Now if you teach such fanatism then its obvious that some will use it as an excuse to settle personal matters.

I am not sure which madrasah you came out of (by claiming this was taught to Muslims I am assuming you went in a madrasah and found out or are you like others who rely on hearsay and hang on each word people feed you?) but no I as a practicing Muslim was never taught that which you wish us to know!

Yeah its quite ironic and contradictory when Muslims want to marry or need some religious advice on some legal matter, they gladly follow these braindead Mullahs and consider their rulings "true" Islam.

No...When people want to get married they go to a Qazi (who usually "specializes" in marriage ONLY...rarely he knows anything beyond that) and besides nikkah tou har koi parha sakta hai you just need to know what to say in it! Unfortunately in South Asia you dont even need a certified Qazi to do the deal! Imagine the most important step in your life marriage and one cant even bother to get a proper qazi!

As for religious advice ONLY south Asians go to Mullahs while people who really know and want to know go to a SCHOLAR yup one who has a degree and knowledge not a random person with a beard!

But God forbid if same Mullahs start inciting against non-Muslims that leads to unfortunate deaths of innocents, only then its "false" Islam

Sarcasm is good but at wrong times it just pushes you to insult yourself!

Here is the thing. forgot about the mullah kafir and his cronies. WTF were the people standing there doing. reports say that 1800 to 2000 people came to watch this and yet they stood there and watched them burn and get tortured and then we wonder why we are in such a shitty state.

So damn true har koi tamasha dekh nay tiyar ho jata hai no one wants to do the right thing

People are dead and have left the capability to think for themselves.

Thats what happens when you rely soo deeply on someone to teach you to even breathe!

Man we are living in some real dark age here. Without any strong proof, without any court decision how can you condemn them to such a death. Clearly we are losing our minds and this must be stopped/

Agreed....Jahalat ka zamana hai and people want to call it Islam...poor blind folks

We must tell and teach ourselves that those that are of different religion are human beings too and deserve their rights in which right to trial exists.

Sadly this is what is lacking TOLERANCE towards difference!

Nobody, Ideally 2000 FIR must be made against everyone as watching a crime and not doing anything is also a crime.

Too bad neither are we ideal nor are we even capable of thinking of taking a good step!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

you will see how Indian mindset itself is responsible for this slow poisoning...

Actually I received your statement there but did not agree with the assessment.

On topic: This does not concern me. So no comments. (Pakistani mullahs actions for/against Pakistani citizens)
It is in the interest of Muslims to find out what real Islam is. Our inputs will be meaningless. Sorry.

 

[Developereo]

It's amazing!

64 posts and only 2 or 3 address the real issue.

The issue is not Islam or secularism, it is law enforcement, and the fact that some private individuals can commit murder with impunity without fear of the law.

 

[Gunsnroses]

When people taking the law in their hands, means justice is not reaching to them and the judiciary system has failed.

Such mullahs are in abundant supply in Pakistan. Only some options are left.
-Shut down ALL madrasas be them sunni, shia, barelvi, deobandi, sufi, wahabi etc,
-demolish all small masjids playing the role of masjid al Zarar found at every corner of the street or convert them to libraries and keep one big serving the colony,
-Imams etc should be appointed by government and the friday sermons should be handed over to them by dept. Auwqaf,
-kill at sight or at least detain any one igniting religious intolerance, same goes for minorities,
-universities should start curriculum to become ulema, huffaz, etc,
-ban madrasa education from foreign country; if someone too gutted, get your education at university level in the country,
-no Islamic education before higher secondary level and only for those who secure more than 70% in 12th grade (retards should never avail this opportunity as all retards and psychopaths have low IQ)

Lastly, hang mullah or anyone just after DNA analysis in rape or such cases, done due to religious difference - nothing more nothing less required in this advanced age for a proof.

Seems hilarious, I myself found it making cloud castles.
Drastic situation requires drastic measures!

 

[liontk]

It's amazing!

64 posts and only 2 or 3 address the real issue.

The issue is not Islam or secularism, it is law enforcement, and the fact that some private individuals can commit murder with impunity without fear of the law.

When the states sets a precedence of declaring what the religion constitutes then the seed of of hatred is already sown among the populaces. I posted a pew poll that half the populace does not even recognize the founder as a muslimbso this incident should be of no surprise. Hatred begets more hatred, alas I will stop making further comments because pakistanis clearly support their constitution.

 

[Dubious]

Our inputs will be meaningless.

Yes, yet every Indian on the forum loves to add on

but did not agree with the assessment.

Oh you did agree with the lack of tolerance for purity

 

[VCheng]

I have some questions.

• What is real Islam?
• Who defines real Islam?
• Is there a country now which practices real Islam?
• When in history did this real Islam exist?
• And if so, why was it real then and not now?

There is only one answer to all your questions: Real Islam is what real Muslims do in real life.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yes, yet every Indian on the forum loves to add on
Oh you did agree with the lack of tolerance for purity

No. Not purity per se.

 

[Secur]

Anything new? No, good.

@rockstar08 Told you, boy.

There is only one answer to all your questions: Real Islam is what real Muslims do in real life.

Exactly, why would non-Muslims bother to read, whats written in Islamic texts? It dont make sense, how many Muslims would open and read Torah or the Old testament?

 

[Developereo]

When the states sets a precedence of declaring what the religion constitutes then the seed of of hatred is already sown among the populaces. I posted a pew poll that half the populace does not even recognize the founder as a muslimbso this incident should be of no surprise. Hatred begets more hatred, alas I will stop making further comments because pakistanis clearly support their constitution.

The issue with abuse of religion is a separate subject.

You listed the number of religion-related crimes in Pakistan. You did not list the crimes which were against women, children, poor people. The number of murders and kidnapping.

The core issue is that the state has given up on its duty to maintain law and order, so all kinds of criminals -- from misogynists to pedophiles to racial and religious bigots -- will indulge themselves.

There are plenty of people in the developed countries who are racist and bigoted in one way or another, but they control themselves because they fear the law.

What Pakistan needs is strong law enforcement. Any other reform is a waste of time if the state doesn't have the will or power to enforce them anyway.

 

[Dubious]

The issue with abuse of religion is a separate subject.

You listed the number of religion-related crimes in Pakistan. You did not list the crimes which were against women, children, poor people. The number of murders and kidnapping.

The core issue is that the state has given up on its duty to maintain law and order, so all kinds of criminals -- from misogynists to pedophiles to racial and religious bigots -- will indulge themselves.

There are plenty of people in the developed countries who are racist and bigoted in one way or another, but they control themselves because they fear the law.

What Pakistan needs is strong law enforcement. Any other reform is a waste of time if the state doesn't have the will or power to enforce them anyway.

Coz its easier to blame it on Islam just like them media is teaching

 

[HeadHunter]

Here is the thing. forgot about the mullah kafir and his cronies. WTF were the people standing there doing. reports say that 1800 to 2000 people came to watch this and yet they stood there and watched them burn and get tortured and then we wonder why we are in such a shitty state.

Sir! No doubt our society is in deep moral crisis. Mostly we blame others for our failures like foreign agencies bla bla but sometimes really a question pops up in my mind "why this is happening to only us?"

 

[mr42O]

Uff kohi haal nahi iss awam ka