Mourn idea of India, but don’t forget that the idea of people is changing too

[Ajay Ghatak]

You are trying to convince Indians who won't most probably survive to vote in 2024. Just mock them move along.

As they always say : The news of my demise is greatly exaggerated. I am a firm believer in Lindy.

 

[letsrock]

Hindu is a religious entity. Its like saying there is no political entity like Islam. Ofcourse! There was no political entity called Hindu or Islam. They are religious concepts. The political arms that represented these in India only appeared in early to mid 20th century. Muslim League for Muslims and Jana Sangh for Hindus.


If the label is your issue, then let it be Sanatan Dharm for your convenience. It has existed since antiquity in India. Honestly, label never mattered. The content did and it was always there. Does not matter if it was crisp or nebulous, the native believes were always there.


In India, even Islam had this situation. All India Muslim League was established 1906.

Jana Sangh was late for the show, it became a political party in 1949 only.

BTW, Muslims did not have ANY broader world view in British India. They had to use religious duty to ensure that Muslim league wins in elections. Till this date, given the situation of education among the Muslims its foolish to make such a claim. They still operate on the same principles : voting for Islam.


I don't have any interest in fairness. I have only interest of Hindus as paramount, rest is not even a matter. BTW, all these caste is very much an issue among Muslims as well. They even have tribal affiliation as issue in Pakistan.



This is laughable. You are on a Pakistani website and you are claiming this. Folks tell this gentleman what is the first basis of Pakistan? Islam Or Urdu? Unless you somehow don't consider Pakistan as a nation. Hilarious!
"Pakistan ka Matlab kya? La ilaha il allah".

A religion is basically a shared morality or code of conduct sanctified by a belief in the divine origin of the code/morality. Hinduism does not really qualify as a religion as it has no universal sense of morality or code of conduct (even in religious sense). It depends on your caste or basically a birth. Hinduism is essentially a social system of enforced inequality by birth- not really a religious system as even gods and goddesses vary depending on region. A social system of enforced inequality is also called fascism.

It doesnt matter whether i am on a pakistani website or not - is it a fact or not that most nations are based on language ? even pakistan split on the basis of language. And both pakistan and india are internally organized on basis of language. Pakistan is more fairer as it does not impose most populous language (punjabi) on others like india does. I said there are exceptions too - so yea it is not "hilarious" - its a matter of fact that requires serious consideration.

Basically you are motivated by sheer hatred of muslims/christians/communists that you want to defend this system of enforced inequality called hinduism. Eventually you will end up with grief thats all.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

A religion is basically a shared morality or code of conduct sanctified by a belief in the divine origin of the code/morality. Hinduism does not really qualify as a religion as it has no universal sense of morality or code of conduct (even in religious sense). It depends on your caste or basically a birth. Hinduism is essentially a social system of enforced inequality by birth- not really a religious system as even gods and goddesses vary depending on region. A social system of enforced inequality is also called fascism.

Oh my!
So entire argument is now on "What is religion and if Hinduism is a religion or not?" LOL!

What does CIA fact book / liberary thinks about Hinduism:

Field Listing :: Religions — The World Factbook - Central Intelligence Agency

Hinduism - Originating in the Vedic civilization of India (second and first millennium B.C.), Hinduism is an extremely diverse set of beliefs and practices with no single founder or religious authority. Hinduism has many scriptures; the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad-Gita are among some of the most important. Hindus may worship one or many deities, usually with prayer rituals within their own home. The most common figures of devotion are the gods Vishnu, Shiva, and a mother goddess, Devi. Most Hindus believe the soul, or atman, is eternal, and goes through a cycle of birth, death, and rebirth (samsara) determined by one's positive or negative karma, or the consequences of one's actions. The goal of religious life is to learn to act so as to finally achieve liberation (moksha) of one's soul, escaping the rebirth cycle.

1. Hinduism is listed as a religion
2. There seems to be a goal for Hindus.

If this is your best argument, then its broken by design. World over, Hinduism is considered as a religion, does not matter what your qualification criteria is.

If you disagree, try approaching US IRS and challenge tax exemption for Hindu temples in USA. You will be pleasantly surprised that even US law considers Hinduism as a religion.

Bottomline : Hinduism is considered a religion by almost universally so... I guess you need to find a better argument.

It doesnt matter whether i am on a pakistani website or not - is it a fact or not that most nations are based on language ?

Does it matter? If Pakistani are able to fashion a nation based on religion and have successful thrived, so can Hindus. Does not matter if it is a rule or exception.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Basically you are motivated by sheer hatred of muslims/christians/communists that you want to defend this system of enforced inequality called hinduism. Eventually you will end up with grief thats all.

Do I matter? The topic is about India and its people, why do I matter?

 

[letsrock]

Do I matter? The topic is about India and its people, why do I matter?

I am responding to you not to india or its people. duh.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

You are a brahmin who hides under labels, designations despite knowing the truth. You guys will rot in hell thats all i can say for all the cunningness, meanness, chanakya thing you show. So christiam america is your standard now. Facist fools.

Again, why do I matter at all? I thought we were talking about India and its people or changing idea of people in India?

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

I am responding to you not to india or its people. duh.

No dear, we are talking about India, its people and changing idea of people in India. So why are you talking ABOUT ME? Stick to the topic.

Have you seen me talking ABOUT YOU as a person?

 

[letsrock]

Pakistani is an islamic state because they love islam and they have accepted a religion - it gives them some benefits and also puts some constraints on their behaviour. They have accepted it. what @Ajay Ghatak wants is an apartheid state where political power depends on whether you are born a hindu or not.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

what @Ajay Ghatak wants is an apartheid state where political power depends on whether you are born a hindu or not.

You know, anyone born in India can always do a Ghar Vaapsi. Its not that hard. Religion is not hereditary.

I have issue with the foreign religion and ideologies in India, not all its followers. If they chose to abandon their foreign religion and ideologies and come back into the folds of their original native religion -- they are more than welcome.

 

[letsrock]

You know, anyone born in India can always do a Ghar Vaapsi. Its not that hard. Religion is not hereditary.

I have issue with the foreign religion and ideologies in India, not all its followers. If they chose to abandon their foreign religion and ideologies and come back into the folds of their original native religion -- they are more than welcome.

what ghar vapasi. is there a ghar vapasi to brahmin caste ?

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

Pakistani is an islamic state because they love islam and they have accepted a religion - it gives them some benefits and also puts some constraints on their behaviour. They have accepted it

Replace Pakistan with India and Islam with Hindu and Sikh and you get what I am talking about... Not that difficult.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

what ghar vapasi. is there a ghar vapasi to brahmin caste ?

Yes, why not!

 

[letsrock]

Yes, why not!

yeah right - delusional af.

 

[Ajay Ghatak]

yeah right - delusional af.

Well, says the guy who has no clue of anything.

 

[letsrock]

Well, says the guy who has no clue of anything.

Yea - people change castes in india all the time - right ? what kind of pathetic liars are you.