Moderate Muslims — it’s time to be outraged

[Jaanbaz]

They dont need to because their governments are part of such crusades in shape of different organisations whereas Muslim countries are just shitty in this regard they are also with the same crusaders hence frustrated individuals find such ways to take up arms

There is no Christian crusade against Muslim countries, its all wars for resources and interests. 50+ Muslims countries put together can't even produce more scientists then South Korea never mind trying to fight the ''Evil west''.

 

[ito]

what kind of movement? if you care to outline ? and in the same fashion tell me is there any such movement against Christian, Hindu, Jewish terrorism ? or as you paint it "islamic terrorism" by jews, hindus, christians ?




can you explain why the US and many more including you supported ISIS in the first place?



They dont need to because their governments are part of such crusades in shape of different organisations whereas Muslim countries are just shitty in this regard they are also with the same crusaders hence frustrated individuals find such ways to take up arms

having you been here for such long time on this forum, i am surprised by your ignorance

now how many threads/posts and are posted on gaza as compared to shia-sunni conflict in pakistan? how many pakistani on this forum are passionate about gaza than on genocide of hazaras by sunni extramists. ponder over they above issues and you will get the answer where your priroties lie

 

[Spring Onion]

There is no Christian crusade against Muslim countries, its all wars for resources and interests. 50+ Muslims countries put together can't even produce more scientists then South Korea never mind trying to fight the ''Evil west''.

whatever you call these Muslim countries are being pushed back in name of such wars and sometime in name of democracy when the fact is usually the foreigners support dictators for that

 

[Jaanbaz]

whatever you call these Muslim countries are being pushed back in name of such wars and sometime in name of democracy when the fact is usually the foreigners support dictators for that

The sheeps that follow these leaders are to be blamed. Look how many chamchay people like Nawas Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan can gather. All of these can easily gather millions of supporters. The ''awam'' are ignorant and stupid to even allow clowns like these to lead them.

And yeah USA did and still supports different dictators in Muslim nations, but they also supported dictators in South America. As I said USA does not care about religion or Islam. If Middle East was a majority Christian region then USA would still plunder it, albeit they would have to find different reasons and excuses to invade.

 

[Zarvan]

The sheeps that follow these leaders are to be blamed. Look how many chamchay people like Nawas Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan can gather. All of these can easily gather millions of supporters. The ''awam'' are ignorant and stupid to even allow clowns like these to lead them.

And yeah USA did and still supports different dictators in Muslim nations, but they also supported dictators in South America. As I said USA does not care about religion or Islam. If Middle East was a majority Christian region then USA would still plunder it, albeit they would have to find different reasons and excuses to invade.

Instead calling people stupid come up with better options

 

[Spring Onion]

having you been here for such long time on this forum, i am surprised by your ignorance

why dont you enlighten me let us shower with tour esteem know;edge. you dint answer my question

now how many threads/posts and are posted on gaza as compared to shia-sunni conflict in pakistan? how many pakistani on this forum are passionate about gaza than on genocide of hazaras by sunni extramists. ponder over they above issues and you will get the answer where your priroties lie

You need to search the forum we have thread on this issue every now and then as much as on gaza and also Pakistanis on this board discussed that and still discussing on the same scale as we discuss gaza

The sheeps that follow these leaders are to be blamed. Look how many chamchay people like Nawas Sharif, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan can gather. All of these can easily gather millions of supporters. The ''awam'' are ignorant and stupid to even allow clowns like these to lead them.

awam are not ignorant neither stupid. They are just exercising their right vote. In other words they are just following democracy which does not guarantee that you wont have clowns as leaders after all Americans selected Bushes not once but twice

And yeah USA did and still supports different dictators in Muslim nations, but they also supported dictators in South America. As I said USA does not care about religion or Islam. If Middle East was a majority Christian region then USA would still plunder it, albeit they would have to find different reasons and excuses to invade.

indeed but for Islamic world they have this easy prey by attacking and at the same time arousing religious sentiments in the Muslims so that they can continue infighting

 

[Jaanbaz]

awam are not ignorant neither stupid. They are just exercising their right vote. In other words they are just following democracy which does not guarantee that you wont have clowns as leaders after all Americans selected Bushes not once but twice

You honestly think people like NS, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan are democratic leaders? Even people like Bush did best for their nation in their capacity where as our leaders sell our country.

 

[Spring Onion]

You honestly think people like NS, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan are democratic leaders? Even people like Bush did best for their nation in their capacity where as our leaders sell our country.

i will repeat that The system of election does not mean we will get democracy. Its merely a process. so there is no question of "democratic" or not. But i still support this process as i feel it will filter such leaders with passage of time. Though the period might be long. May need another few generations

 

[Zarvan]

You honestly think people like NS, Altaf Hussain, Imran Khan are democratic leaders? Even people like Bush did best for their nation in their capacity where as our leaders sell our country.

Come up with alternate options if can't please keep quite

 

[waz]

wait, you changed ?

were you an angry guy before?

No bro, I did get annoyed at trolls now and then, and it was a case of F words galore. But we are talking about the course of 13 years.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Sir

I beg to differ ..I lost the counts how many times I have said this.
the "silent/ non violent" majority doesnt make headline news.. they do condemn the atrocities of Muslim extremists but they dont carry the shock value so they dont make news.

That's exactly the point! No matter how much "moderates" say or do, doesn't matter because either they are insignificant in numbers or they are spectacularly ineffective. Or perhaps, they agree with the end results and hence are silent about the means used for reaching that goal!

For a non-muslim like myself (I am actually an Atheist), all those scenarios are frightening! Why should the entire world (or at least a major portion of the world) be held hostage to a religion which can't control its nutjobs and which harbors ambition of global conquest?

A vast number of people like myself don't want to have anything do with any religion!

 

[Jaanbaz]

Come up with alternate options if can't please keep quite

Sorry this isn't your Mullahistan/Pakistan where you can silence people with guns. This is an open forum.

i will repeat that The system of election does not mean we will get democracy. Its merely a process. so there is no question of "democratic" or not. But i still support this process as i feel it will filter such leaders with passage of time. Though the period might be long. May need another few generations

Lets hope because situation in Pakistan isn't getting any better. The only people who have done better are the super rich business community and some MPs and PM's businesses.

 

[Hiptullha]

Ok, fine.
I'll go outside onto my garden and hold up a sign condemning Taliban. Then I'll go on Twitter and try to make the hashtag #StopTerrorism start trending. I'll make a blog against ISIS and use REALLY strong words like "shocked", and "appalled", and "barbaric", and "inhuman". And to REALLY show I'm appalled, I'll go on PDF, and cuss, mock and insult every Muslim to show I do not support the actions of terrorists hundreds of miles away from myself.

 

[dray]

Ok, fine.
I'll go outside onto my garden and hold up a sign condemning Taliban. Then I'll go on Twitter and try to make the hashtag #StopTerrorism start trending. I'll make a blog against ISIS and use REALLY strong words like "shocked", and "appalled", and "barbaric", and "inhuman". And to REALLY show I'm appalled, I'll go on PDF, and cuss, mock and insult every Muslim to show I do not support the actions of terrorists hundreds of miles away from myself.

It would be even better if you can point out how many parliaments or governments of Muslim countries have officially condemned the actions of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, or that Nigerian shopping mall incident?

Or maybe you can let us know how many Muslim clerics have issued fatwa against the actions of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, or that Nigerian shopping mall terrorists (Al-Shabaab) terming them un-Islamic?

Or please tell us if there is any major procession, campaign, public uprising, etc. by the common Muslims around the world against the above-mentioned groups or their actions in the name of Islam?

For the non-Muslim world, this silence is being viewed as "Silent approval", should the Muslim world condemn the non-Muslim world for that??

 

[GiannKall]

Muslims are so radical. The west invades and bombs their countries and they dont like it. Its a damn disgrace!