Mini-skirt protest by shameless liberals fizzles in Tunisia

[IR-TR]

Sorry but secularism is clear kufr. Islamic laws has to be implemented by government any other system if not Islamic than is kufr.

Okay, democracy is kafir also? Then kafir is good. You can't implement something that is intangible.

 

[NL_Turk]

Sorry but secularism is clear kufr. Islamic laws has to be implemented by government any other system if not Islamic than is kufr.

Right, and if history and the present day world teaches us anything it is that sharia countries are the pinnacle of human civilization.
All those muslim clerics with their nobel prizes, technological inventions, ground breaking engineering and medicine.
Not to mention how happy the people are, especially the women........

Unless you want to live in a backwards, medieval, inhumane, illogical, dicatorial, bloodthirsty hell hole: secular system is the only way to progress in the world.

But that's not what their feeding you in those madrasas is it?

 

[VCheng]

Right, and if history and the present day world teaches us anything it is that sharia countries are the pinnacle of human civilization.
All those muslim clerics with their nobel prizes, technological inventions, ground breaking engineering and medicine.

There was a time when all that was indeed true. Sadly those times are long gone.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Look the arm chair general of butcher sisi talking abt death & suffering in the world and trying to act sane. Btw would death & suffering end by buying migs & f-16s by polishing zionist boots ?

it is president el sisi now and the Egyptian army and police acted to prevent a crisis like syria from happening in Egypt this is not what you wish for but this is the truth we will stand with our army to the end
what does buying migs and f 16 has anything to do with isreal ? or you must bring isreal in any thing even if you dont make sense
and why do you care about what some women wear in tunis why dont you just choose not to look ?

 

[denel]

Sorry but secularism is clear kufr. Islamic laws has to be implemented by government any other system if not Islamic than is kufr.

What planet do you live in? Pal, any kind of religious laws imposed by govt has shown to be corrupt and mislead.

 

[Luffy 500]

I know, but there are limits. Aside from that,


Secularism doesn't mean atheism. A person can be religious and secular. Meaning he doesn't want the government to enforce religious laws. Simple as that.

Secularism is the principle of governance espoused by the followers of the religion called liberalism . It has its own world view and doctrines and coined by 17th century non-muslim philosophers as a result of Europe's experience with Christianity. In short secularism/liberalism is a western religion with its roots in a particular time & place based on particular circumstances unique to that time & place. And just like all other false religion , its antithetical to the only true religion i.e Islam. Islam is a holistic way of life covering all aspects of life including politics and dictates how a society should be. Btw Secularism/liberalism has its own world view of how a society should be , which is antithetical to what Allah (swt) has revealed . As such like all other false religion secularism/liberalism is clear cut kufr and espousing such western non-sense means disbelieving in what the Creator of the heavens and the earth has revealed. SO a muslim simply can not espouse such blatant kufr .

This 17th century European philosophical non-sense has no place in the muslim world.

Secularism btw is the belief espoused by atheist/agnost ,since it suits their ideology .

it is president el sisi now and the Egyptian army and police acted to prevent a crisis like syria from happening in Egypt this is not what you wish for but this is the truth we will stand with our army to the end
what does buying migs and f 16 has anything to do with isreal ? or you must bring isreal in any thing even if you dont make sense
and why do you care about what some women wear in tunis why dont you just choose not to look ?

As expected a arm chair general like u would go to any lengths to justify the savagery of your kin.

I bought migs & f-16 & isreal bcs u bought irrelevant question of death & suffering .

I care bcs ,Islam forbids such shamelessness in public. Not only that these shameless bigots were trying to promote immorality and calling for promiscuity in the society which is also islamically forbidden and is a serious crime. For muslims such thing matters. Islam have certain guidelines of how people should conduct themselves in the public space.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Secularism is the principle of governance espoused by the followers of the religion called liberalism . It has its own world view and doctrines and coined by 17th century non-muslim philosophers as a result of Europe's experience with Christianity. In short secularism/liberalism is a western religion with its roots in a particular time & place based on particular circumstances unique to that time & place. And just like all other false religion , its antithetical to the only true religion i.e Islam. Islam is a holistic way of life covering all aspects of life including politics and dictates how a society should be. Btw Secularism/liberalism has its own world view of how a society should be , which is antithetical to what Allah (swt) has revealed . As such like all other false religion secularism/liberalism is clear cut kufr and espousing such western non-sense means disbelieving in what the Creator of the heavens and the earth has revealed. SO a muslim simply can not espouse such blatant kufr .

This 17th century European philosophical non-sense has no place in the muslim world.

Secularism btw is the belief espoused by atheist/agnost ,since it suits their ideology .




As expected a arm chair general like u would go to any lengths to justify the savagery of your kin.

I bought migs & f-16 & isreal bcs u bought irrelevant question of death & suffering .

I care bcs ,Islam forbids such shamelessness in public. Not only that these shameless bigots were trying to promote immorality and calling for promiscuity in the society which is also islamically forbidden and is a serious crime. For muslims such thing matters. Islam have certain guidelines of how people should conduct themselves in the public space.

jesus Christ! r u serious or is this satire? if you call secularism a religion and at the same breadth call islam a religion, then you must have a really low opinion of both! only true religion? even majority of muslims don't think that. No wonder your biggest concern is Tunisian mini skirts

 

[Luffy 500]

What is secularism? - islamqa.info

What is secularism?

Praise be to Allah.


Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).

This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.

With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”

[al-Baqarah 2:85].

Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.

Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.

They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”

[Hood 11:15-16].

The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”

[al-Isra’ 17:18].

And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.

Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him).

only true religion? even majority of muslims don't think that.

U don't know anything abt Islam or muslims , do u ?

 

[Tiger Genie]

What is secularism? - islamqa.info

What is secularism?

Praise be to Allah.


Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).

This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.

With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”

[al-Baqarah 2:85].

Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.

Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.

They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”

[Hood 11:15-16].

The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”

[al-Isra’ 17:18].

And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.

Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him).



U don't know anything abt Islam or muslims , do u ?

don't believe this islamqa.info. obviously it is written by some fundo mullah nutjob. look up a good dictionary so u know what secular means.

This 'only true religion' type of nonsense is what has driven thousands of muslim kids to blow themselves up. there is no such thing as 'only true'. A Christian and a Hindu and a Sikh and a Jew et al will disagree with you and give you a lot stronger argument.

learn to live in peace with others. idiotic notions such as yours is what has driven Pakistan, Arabia et al into lands of living hell!

 

[NL_Turk]

What is secularism? - islamqa.info

What is secularism?

Praise be to Allah.


Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).

This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.

With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”

[al-Baqarah 2:85].

Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.

Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.

They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”

[Hood 11:15-16].

The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”

[al-Isra’ 17:18].

And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.

Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him).



U don't know anything abt Islam or muslims , do u ?

Can you please explain to me in simple words why you believe that it is better to govern by a 1400yr old book instead of common sense & logic?

In your own words, none of these hocus pocus stuff from islamist websites.

 

[Luffy 500]

Can you please explain to me in simple words why you believe that it is better to govern by a 1400yr old book instead of common sense & logic?

In your own words, none of these hocus pocus stuff from islamist websites.

Because Quran is the word of Allah (swt) , the Creator of the heavens & the earth. He created us and as such He knows what's best for us and only His guidelines on how humans should conduct themselves is applicable to humans. Any other man-made non-sense would inevitably lead to serious dysfunction.

Reason and logic has its place. Allah (swt) bestowed intellect as a mercy to mankind but human also have vain desires, bias and greed that can cloud their thinking. Everyone has their own opinions & thoughts abt a particular issue. What's logical to u may not be logical to some one else and vise-versa.
Most of the time logic is simply one's desires/bias/opinions and nothing else. There is no criterion for measuring logic & reason & its totally arbitrary. Also right & wrong can not be left to arbitrary definitions of humans since humans don't have any standard of judging right & wrong apart from guidelines from divine revelation. Hence logic has its proper place in Islam i.e its use is within the framework of islam. What Allah (swt) has made forbidden can't be made permissible by "logic " .Divine Revelation supersedes logic. In cases where logic & reason is required , its guided by divine revelation.

And Allah (swt) knows best.

 

[Soumitra]

Because Quran is the word of Allah (swt) , the Creator of the heavens & the earth. He created us and as such He knows what's best for us and only His guidelines on how humans should conduct themselves is applicable to humans. Any other man-made non-sense would inevitably lead to serious dysfunction.

Reason and logic has its place. Allah (swt) bestowed intellect as a mercy to mankind but human also have vain desires, bias and greed that can cloud their thinking. Everyone has their own opinions & thoughts abt a particular issue. What's logical to u may not be logical to some one else and vise-versa.
Most of the time logic is simply one's desires/bias/opinions and nothing else. There is no criterion for measuring logic & reason & its totally arbitrary. Also right & wrong can not be left to arbitrary definitions of humans since humans don't have any standard of judging right & wrong apart from guidelines from divine revelation. Hence logic has its proper place in Islam i.e its use is within the framework of islam. What Allah (swt) has made forbidden can't be made permissible by "logic " .Divine Revelation supersedes logic. In cases where logic & reason is required , its guided by divine revelation.

And Allah (swt) knows best.

So you mean to say that millions of human beings who lived before the advent of Islam were dysfunctional and did not have any guidelines to live their life. Or what about billions of Non Muslims the present day?

 

[Zarvan]

"There is no compulsion in religion"


@IR-TR


Trying telling that to some people who will never understand that concept ...

No orders has to be followed and Governments has to implement them

 

[Zarvan]

Right, and if history and the present day world teaches us anything it is that sharia countries are the pinnacle of human civilization.
All those muslim clerics with their nobel prizes, technological inventions, ground breaking engineering and medicine.
Not to mention how happy the people are, especially the women........

Unless you want to live in a backwards, medieval, inhumane, illogical, dicatorial, bloodthirsty hell hole: secular system is the only way to progress in the world.

But that's not what their feeding you in those madrasas is it?

Secularism is crap and bullshit Muslims made progressed and when they were close to Islam you want live a life of animal than yes Secularism is the way forward.

 

[IR-TR]

Secularism is the principle of governance espoused by the followers of the religion called liberalism . It has its own world view and doctrines and coined by 17th century non-muslim philosophers as a result of Europe's experience with Christianity. In short secularism/liberalism is a western religion with its roots in a particular time & place based on particular circumstances unique to that time & place. And just like all other false religion , its antithetical to the only true religion i.e Islam. Islam is a holistic way of life covering all aspects of life including politics and dictates how a society should be. Btw Secularism/liberalism has its own world view of how a society should be , which is antithetical to what Allah (swt) has revealed . As such like all other false religion secularism/liberalism is clear cut kufr and espousing such western non-sense means disbelieving in what the Creator of the heavens and the earth has revealed. SO a muslim simply can not espouse such blatant kufr .

This 17th century European philosophical non-sense has no place in the muslim world.

Secularism btw is the belief espoused by atheist/agnost ,since it suits their ideology .




As expected a arm chair general like u would go to any lengths to justify the savagery of your kin.

I bought migs & f-16 & isreal bcs u bought irrelevant question of death & suffering .

I care bcs ,Islam forbids such shamelessness in public. Not only that these shameless bigots were trying to promote immorality and calling for promiscuity in the society which is also islamically forbidden and is a serious crime. For muslims such thing matters. Islam have certain guidelines of how people should conduct themselves in the public space.

You're insane. So Turkey and Indonesia are kufar countries? Go strap a bomb to yourself. That's about it.