Millions still suffering from Vietnam War's aftermath, 40 years on

[biendong]

@Yorozuya

Vietnam has been asked US to do compensation for Vietnam war, in his letter Nixon has promised it, but it was denied by US govt.

I found it on internet, but the site is not existed:

• - Tháng 12 năm 1975, lần đầu tiên từ khi chiến tranh kết thúc, một phái đoàn ... Trong thư, Nixon hứa sẽ có 4.75 tỉ đôla viện trợ tái thiết, gồm 3.25 tỉ viện trợ ...cấm vận, cho Việt Nam vào Liên Hiệp Quốc và bình thường hóa quan hệ. ... kiếm sự khôi phục ngoại giao vô điều kiện, bác bỏ yêu cầu của Việt Nam,

 

[BuddhaPalm]

This thread shows exactly why USA did a smart move knowing Viet character and won Viet hearts in the end

 

[Jlaw]

Victory over the ONLY superpower the US, we Vietnamese had to sacrifice a lot.

Today, the US government is paying for millions of victims of agent orange in Vietnam.

Last night, we had fireworks celebrating the victory in HCM city. (30/4/1975-30/4/2015)

Indeed. Great victory. Over 2 million dead viets vs. 54,000 dead American soldiers. Vietnam's destroyed infrastructures. Millions of Vietnam hating refugees fled to the west. Agent orange. Economic sanction. Failed Mekong delta master dream. in 2014 $1700/GDP per person. Quadrillions of dollars in external debt.

great vietnamese Ah Q victory that you guys love to label others .

 

[frequency]

This thread shows exactly why USA did a smart move knowing Viet character and won Viet hearts in the end

Without sacrifice by Americans, there would be no love. American did half good for the Vietnamese. They don't believe in communist.

Indeed. Great victory. Over 2 million dead viets vs. 54,000 dead American soldiers. Vietnam's destroyed infrastructures. Millions of Vietnam hating refugees fled to the west. Agent orange. Economic sanction. Failed Mekong delta master dream. in 2014 $1700/GDP per person. Quadrillions of dollars in external debt.

great vietnamese Ah Q victory that you guys love to label others .

They hate communist, not because they hate the war. Something the Chinese or any other nations would understand. It's complicated relationship.

 

[Huaren]

Most of viet members on pdf are likely not on the side of vietcong to begin with, which might partly explain their strange love for americans. Clearly US has lost many battles but for the war itself Americans paid far less than viets(both side) did. So as the winner of the war while vietcong could claim victory in name, american could also claim modest victory and was able to ignore payment for all the war crimes and suffering they have caused on civilians, instead they let viets pay for their "victory" in the following decades. The real loser of the war however would be the former southern viets who stand against vietcong, as are the many viets in western countries today who were either the descendents of southern viets and/or are against vietcong leadership even until now.

Many viets here probably want to see conflict happen bewteen china and vietnam because they have reason to hate both (in the sense of being commie), of course totaly disregarding the potential casualities on the side on innocent civilians, and the fact that vietnam would become a pawn for foreign power in conflicts for big boys once again.

 

[frequency]

Most of viet members on pdf are likely not on the side of vietcong to begin with, which might partly explain their strange love for americans. Clearly US has lost many battles but for the war itself Americans paid far less than viets(both side) did. So as the winner of the war while vietcong could claim victory in name, american could also claim modest victory and was able to ignore payment for all the war crimes and suffering they have caused on civilians, instead they let viets pay for their "victory" in the following decades. The real loser of the war however would be the former southern viets who stand against vietcong, as are the many viets in western countries today who were either the descendents of southern viets and/or are against vietcong leadership even until now.

Correct, South Vietnamese are in fact the real losers. But this article is about Vietnam and US war.

As I said earlier, Vietnam's goal is to unite North and South Vietnam. USA goal is to prevent that unification. Vietnam won, USA lost. Simple.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Correct, South Vietnamese are in fact the real losers. But this article is about Vietnam and US war.

As I said earlier, Vietnam's goal is to unite North and South Vietnam. USA goal is to prevent that unification. Vietnam won, USA lost. Simple.

It was the goal that if there was reunification it wouldn't be run by the North - just like if there is reunification in Korea we wouldn't want it run by the Kim family.

So North Vietnam won not South Vietnam.

Keep in mind South Vietnam was fighting an invasion force so why should reparations be paid to the North? Is the North part of Vietnam supposed to pay the South part for all the damage they caused too??

The South part of Vietnam was fighting along side us so you have to be expect a large amount of U.S. support.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It was the goal that if there was reunification it wouldn't be run by the North - just like if there is reunification in Korea we wouldn't want it run by the Kim family.

So North Vietnam won not South Vietnam.

Keep in mind South Vietnam was fighting an invasion force so why should reparations be paid to the North? Is the North part of Vietnam supposed to pay the South part for all the damage they caused too??

The South part of Vietnam was fighting along side us so you have to be expect a large amount of U.S. support.

South Vietnam was a corrupt military dictatorship that massacred its own people and cancelled planned elections.

You also rejected Ho's appeal for help in WW2 even when he quoted the Declaration of Independence, so there's no excuse.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

South Vietnam was a corrupt military dictatorship that massacred its own people and cancelled planned elections.

You also rejected Ho's appeal for help in WW2 even when he quoted the Declaration of Independence, so there's no excuse.

What? The U.S. sanctioned Japan due to their invasion of IndoChina (not China). This caused them to bomb Pearl Harbor.

BTW why are we supposed to be the designated savior when trouble erupts?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

What? The U.S. sanctioned Japan due to their invasion of IndoChina (not China). This caused them to bomb Pearl Harbor.

BTW why are we supposed to be the designated savior when trouble erupts?

You aren't. Just don't blame Ho for turning to China and Russia when you rejected his plea for help in obtaining independence for Vietnam. The entire Vietnam War was caused by US paranoia of Chinese and Russian influence that they themselves invited into Vietnam. Its a double mistake. First it was the invitation and second is the paranoia.

 

[biendong]

It was the goal that if there was reunification it wouldn't be run by the North - just like if there is reunification in Korea we wouldn't want it run by the Kim family.

So North Vietnam won not South Vietnam.

Keep in mind South Vietnam was fighting an invasion force so why should reparations be paid to the North? Is the North part of Vietnam supposed to pay the South part for all the damage they caused too??

The South part of Vietnam was fighting along side us so you have to be expect a large amount of U.S. support.

when we are talking about North and South, I can say South Viets won.

Who controlled VCP ? Le Duan, Pham Van Dong, Ton Duc Thang ... were from South VC, Vietcongs. When Ngo Dinh Diem, Nguyen Cao Ky... from North, nationalists (Quoc gia).

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You aren't. Just don't blame Ho for turning to China and Russia when you rejected his plea for help in obtaining independence for Vietnam. The entire Vietnam War was caused by US paranoia of Chinese and Russian influence that they themselves invited into Vietnam. Its a double mistake. First it was the invitation and second is the paranoia.

They both got their Independence right after WW2. What was there to do???

1945 North Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1949 State of Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or are you talking about the French not giving up on South Vietnam as a territory until 1955 South Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or are you saying pre WW2 we should have put the screws on France to free Vietnam? I think they had the clout to put the screws on us back then.

 

[TheTruth]

Wait until the day we can spray orange on the US soil. The day may not be too far off. We will never forget

it's only natural to hate those who have wronged you and never made amends.

 

[frequency]

It was the goal that if there was reunification it wouldn't be run by the North - just like if there is reunification in Korea we wouldn't want it run by the Kim family.

So North Vietnam won not South Vietnam.

Keep in mind South Vietnam was fighting an invasion force so why should reparations be paid to the North? Is the North part of Vietnam supposed to pay the South part for all the damage they caused too??

The South part of Vietnam was fighting along side us so you have to be expect a large amount of U.S. support.

let's keep it simple. The whole idea is unification at any costs. But i believe after Ho Chi Minh died, his comrade took advantage of the situation and turned Vietnam completely into crap.

Without China rising and bully Vietnam, Vietnam would still be weak and even more corrupted. There would be no relationship with USA whatsoever. So actually China is helping Vietnam this way so they can smarten up.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Wait until the day we can spray orange on the US soil. The day may not be too far off. We will never forget

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