Militants openly launch campaign in Punjab

[Spring Onion]

An inter-collegiate/inter-University debate contest. Title of the debate: Jihad, in the light of Surah Al-Anfal.

Than it gives the name of the guest of honor, the date, and the venue, and the name of the organizers etc.

What I fail to understand is, why people are getting knee-jerk response?

Nothing wrong with the debate neither the topic.

and its not a knee-jerk response because what is wrong is

"The speech competition will be chaired by Maulana Masood Azhar, a notorious militant leader in Pakistan, while ex-guerilla commander Mufti Muhammad Asghar Khan Kashmiri will be the chief guest of the ceremony."

Jihad (the translation 'holy war' is incorrect) is one (but not the only) of the pillars of Islam. There are clear guidelines given in Quran on when one should go for Jihad and how it should be conducted. Surah Al-Anfal discusses the ethics of Jihad.

Just for the sake of clearance, Jihad bil-saif (where a Muslim fights with weapons) can only be declared by an Islamic state i.e. the government, and not by the individual groups.

I have studied Quran and i know what it is also know its not what the world or extremists organisations are saying.

I just mentioned that this is an inter-collegiate/inter university debate contest on the ethics of Jihad, in the light of surah al-Anfal. Where did the politics come in this? Were you there? Did you listen to what was discussed in that gathering? Did you find something incorrect about it?

Where do the scholarly debates take place? on the roadside? If University campuses are not the right venue then where should one discuss debatable matters?

You are assuming that the debaters would be chanting slogans such as 'crush India, crush USA, crush infidels' but it is only an assumption, because you have not heard it, you were not there!

The objection is not over the debate/neither the topic.

The objection is over the notorious organizers aka players who are NOT at all welcomed keeping in view their political as well as other background

 

[syedali73]

"The speech competition will be chaired by Maulana Masood Azhar, a notorious militant leader in Pakistan, while ex-guerilla commander Mufti Muhammad Asghar Khan Kashmiri will be the chief guest of the ceremony."

The objection is over the notorious organizers aka players who are NOT at all welcomed keeping in view their political as well as other background

I can see your point, and I agree with you. However, the presence of Masood Azhar, and Khan Kashmiri doesn't guarantee the negative outcome of the debate, though it is possible, I give you that.

 

[Spring Onion]

I can see your point, and I agree with you. However, the presence of Masood Azhar, and Khan Kashmiri doesn't guarantee the negative outcome of the debate, though it is possible, I give you that.

I am NOT worried about the outcome of the debate. Because outcomes need a long-term focus and strategies. I had been one of the best debaters at school and college and i know we can move minds for a while through such debates but can make one act.

My point was presence of such unwanted personalities is a bad precedent . Tomorrow all kinds of such militants will take the stage at educational institutes

 

[syedali73]

Tomorrow all kinds of such militants will take the stage at educational institutes

They took up the stage in early 70s, in the form of Islami Jamiat Tulba, and from that point onwards, it is chal so chal. To me, it is already too late. At any rate, I encourage scholarly debates because through these activities, you can hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Raqs e deewangi hey aur hum hein dosto

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Police should ban such organisations for using Universities.

The educational institutes should ban outsiders

One doubt. Here universities conduct 3 days cultural fest with songs, dance etc. IIT's culturals are so famous. So which university cultural is famous in Pak?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

I am NOT worried about the outcome of the debate. Because outcomes need a long-term focus and strategies. I had been one of the best debaters at school and college and i know we can move minds for a while through such debates but can make one act.

My point was presence of such unwanted personalities is a bad precedent . Tomorrow all kinds of such militants will take the stage at educational institutes

In all fairness to the participants, they have the title Maulana and Mufti which are Islamic scholarly titles. Their point of view would be insightful but only if a wide variety of participants partake in the debate.

 

[Spring Onion]

One doubt. Here universities conduct 3 days cultural fest with songs, dance etc. IIT's culturals are so famous. So which university cultural is famous in Pak?

I dont know which university culture is famous here but depends on the region.

In Punjab well high party culture -cum cultural-cum high party activities are famous at some elite educational institutes (indeed for rich families) (lahore members can name these).

In my province universities arrange such festivals which you mentioned all kinds of these and almost all varsities do that

In all fairness to the participants, they have the title Maulana and Mufti which are Islamic scholarly titles. Their point of view would be insightful but only if a wide variety of participants partake in the debate.

They have a different background as well.

I will say better non-combatant muftis/maulana should be invited instead of these mentioned ones

 

[Armstrong]

Punjab university had been held hostage by JI student wing in the past too.'

Its up to them to get rid of such student politics cum extremism.
I dont like such stupidity on campus.

Here in KPK when i was doing my post-graduate degree the JI students were trying to sabotage our welcome and farewell party functions objection to music and other activities BUT our fellow students (senior, from most senior batches) even came forwarded and guarded us and JI extremists ran-away.

Post-Graduate Degree kisss cheeez mein haiii ?

 

[Spring Onion]

Post-Graduate Degree kisss cheeez mein haiii ?

yara hamaray haan salon nay 2 digrian aik main ghusari hoi ha so its Mass Com + Journalism

 

[PlanetWarrior]

I dont know which university culture is famous here but depends on the region.

In Punjab well high party culture -cum cultural-cum high party activities are famous at some elite educational institutes (indeed for rich families) (lahore members can name these).

In my province universities arrange such festivals which you mentioned all kinds of these and almost all varsities do that



They have a different background as well.

I will say better non-combatant muftis/maulana should be invited instead of these mentioned ones

Well, students need to assess the pros and cons of taking Jihad to a personal violent combatant level. If other Islamic scholars are invited to debate against these combatants with the intent to discredit their ideology and vice versa , it remains for the assessing student to be convinced which is the correct route. It is good that these debates happen and it must happen more frequently. Muslims need to be convinced on the correct interpretation of Jihad and in order for that to happen, debate between a wide variety of participants (including people of the calibre of this Mufti and Maulana) must happen.

 

[Rain]

Punjab university had been held hostage by JI student wing in the past too.'

Its up to them to get rid of such student politics cum extremism.
I dont like such stupidity on campus.

Here in KPK when i was doing my post-graduate degree the JI students were trying to sabotage our welcome and farewell party functions objection to music and other activities BUT our fellow students (senior, from most senior batches) even came forwarded and guarded us and JI extremists ran-away.

post graduation in which field?

 

[dray]

Openly??
Why no one is arresting them???

Who will arrest them? Government?

 

[jarves]

Who will arrest them? Government?

I got your point

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

yara hamaray haan salon nay 2 digrian aik main ghusari hoi ha so its Mass Com + Journalism

You need to study journalism again, khwand maza dey nishta

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

All those jihadis are allowed to operate in Pakistan as long as they are linked to jihad in Afghanistan, notorious ISI protects them from any kind of legal trouble.
Pakistani military establishment is only against those jihadis who dont listen to them any more. It is said that some elements within ISI still secretly support TTP, the "bad" catagory of taliban though it is difficult to verify.
Most of the population of punjab is bareilvi, they are not into jihad. But pashtuns are attracted to any kind of military adventure including jihad....ISI made use of the martial tendencies of pakhtuns and opened thousands of madrassas in pakhtun belt, to prepare them for interference in Afghanistan....now they are dropping kilo tons of bombs on same pashtuns for the deeds in which ISI is equally criminal.
There is also partiality, they use F-16, tanks, gunship helicopters, heavy artillary on pashtun belt but they would never use such force on their own punjab.