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[antonius123]

Again, it's not hard to say you are wrong. You never said Huawei will kill Qualcomm, and it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE saying this, because majority of Huawei product ALREADY not using Qualcomm. And already has been for a while.
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That is logical fallacy of you.

That "Huawei already not using Qualcomm" doesnt mean they could not beat Qualcomm some day in the future.

As I said many times to you: Huawei is producing Kirin now for their own smartphone, and in the future they could offer it in the market and become Qualcomm competitors, and if Kirin is getting better than Snapdragon due to Huawei's more intense R&D then Kirin could steal much Qualcomm's market share.

Educate your self:
https://www.investopedia.com/news/qualcomm-risk-apple-samsung-huawei-chips/

You said what I quote, you can try to twist the word you want.

Looks like you don't just have memory and language problem. But also a psychological problem. I seriously suggest that you go see a doctor.

LOL. Obviously it is so difficult for you to admit your mistake right?

I never twist your words, it is you who are twisting your own logic and weak in reading comprehension.

First of all, what is "in the mid term period of competition"?

Not so long in the future, it is relative, say: 5 to 8 years ahead.

Also, in terms of logic, by saying this, you said the mid-term competition will kill Qualcomm, which mean the ban on ZTE will EVENTUALLY kill Qualcomm, so in a way, you are still saying ZTE ban will kill Qualcomm.

Still difference in the meaning.

One means : in the short period, the other means: in the mid term period.

Seem it is so delicate for you to comprehend.

If you still don't know what you said, you should go back to school and learn some proper English.

Exactly how dumb are you? Do you need an IQ test?

LOL. It is you who dont know what I am saying, due to reading comprehension problem, or lack of logic or really dumb.

Only happening with you, that I have to elaborate my explanation like explaining simple math to pre elementary school student.

First of all, I don't know this "Counterpoint" research, and it does not specific the reason it come to the conclusion Chinese phone have 48% take on the world. I can start a research project and said Samsung have reach 50% world smart phone share, that does not mean it is true.

LOL. At least they have done research - published - quoted, and none of other credible researcher raise objection/deny their figure.

While you .. only base on ignorance and dumbness to support your claim 80% non chinese brand smartphone market share globally, right? You always outburst ignorance without data as usual

Furthermore, your math is terribly wrong! You know Huawei +Xiaomi + Oppo already reach 27% market share (Q1 2018), not to mention other big vendors: Vivo, Lenovo, ZTE, and other numerous smaller ones like: TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, etc etc. Then how come you claim non chinese brands reach 80% global market share???

Your math score must be terrible during your high school

On the other hand, IDC research is the leading global trent research, it have their own reference. Which is more reputable than the Chinese one.

How much is the chinese brand market share according to them? 20%? LOL

Could you bring their data to support your claim?

Also, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS MATEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do. We all know Samsung and Apple by their public figure, which is at around 19 and 14.7% in 2017. Let's say, you are right, Huawei + Vivo + Xiaomi is another 20%, which mean the other 2 maker ; Lenovo and BBK (which is the parent company of Oppo) would have to reach 28% world share, Which mean they have to be at the minimum selling better than Apple and Huawei worldwide if the split is even (at 14% a piece) or if the split is uneven, either Lenovo or BBK would have to sell more phone than the current number 1 spot, which is Samsung. Since we all know this is not true as Huawei is currently at number 3 spot, which mean there aren't ways for Chinese mobile phone maker to get to 48% world share.

According to IDC, Oppo sale is about 7% worldwide, which mean you meant to say Lenovo at 21% world share and sold more mobile phone than Samsung in 2017 so China have 48% market share? Because mathematically, this is the only case this could happen. LOL

LOL you are dumb.

Why only 2 other makers Lenovo and BBK that has to reach 28% world market share, while there are so many other chinese smartphone brands in the global market that could occupy the 28%?

I have told you many many times the other chinese brands: Lenovo, ZTE, TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, Konka, Skyworth, Gree, and still so many more that can't be mentioned here. They take majority of the 41% "others" in 2017 global market share. That means: the 28% is shared by all of them.

This is not only confirming your reading comprehension problem, but also your problem with math or logic.

By the way, your first graph you post said "Chinese global mobile phone sale UP 47%" and it stated the Chinese share of the world mobile phone share is 30.1% at 905 millions head set shipped. Which make more sense then the counterpoint research mis-reported the finding because if you also look at the website about counterpoint research, it also dissecting how much GROWTH Chinese phone maker have in the world instead of talking about the actual share.

LOFAO. You didn't even read what you posted LOL

LOL. You are really idiot.

The 30.1% is only for Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, Oppo and Vivo.

There are still 18% of other brands, and majority of them are Chinese brands which means the 30.1% + ~ 18% = ~48%. So the Oct 17 newzoo graph is still in line with the centerpoint research Q2 17 figure.

This is more confirming you have reading comprehension problem.

And by the way, Samsung still uses Qualcomm CPU on their phone, uses Samsung own CPU on South Korea and EU countries only, and Apple although stop using Qualcomm CPU, they still uses Qualcomm Modem and GSM chipset.

You don't even know Qualcomm don't just produce CPU, talk about the need of education. LOL

My estimation has already considered only 50% of Samsung mobile use Exynos, why dont you read carefully.

I know Qualcomm just dont produce CPU, but you dont know the the CPU is Qualcomm' bread and butter.

You are humiliating your self by showing your poor performance in logical thinking, reading comprehension, and math.

 

[Cybernetics]

I have told you many many times the other chinese brands: Lenovo, ZTE, TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, Konka, Skyworth, Gree, and still so many more that can't be mentioned here. They take majority of the 41% global market share. That means: the 28% is shared by all of them.

There are so many phone companies, some are unfamiliar for many domestic consumers. In addition some brands operate in specific markets so that will cause information asymmetry. It is difficult to assess the global market by just consumer experience from a particular region.

Africa is a big market for Chinese phone companies
Chinese phone market share in Nigeria: TECNO 40%, Infinix 8%, HTC 1%, Lenovo 3%, Xiaomi 3%, Gionee 2%, Huawei 7%, Alcatel 2% (JV between France and China), Injoo 3%.
Total: 69%

 

[jhungary]

That is logical fallacy of you.

That "Huawei already not using Qualcomm" doesnt mean they could not beat Qualcomm some day in the future.

As I said many times to you: Huawei is producing Kirin now for their own smartphone, and in the future they could offer it in the market and become Qualcomm competitors, and if Kirin is getting better than Snapdragon due to Huawei's more intense R&D then Kirin could steal much Qualcomm's market share.

Educate your self:
https://www.investopedia.com/news/qualcomm-risk-apple-samsung-huawei-chips/
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How? Huawei is the END USER of Qualcomm product, which mean both production line is DIFFERENT. The only way Huawei can kill off Qualcomm is either take over Qualcomm business of Mobile modem, CPU and GSM chip set, and the only remotely applicable part is CPU, which is not one of Qualcomm major field of business. Huawei did not design, nor authorised to design GSM chipset, it was a licensed application.

Killing off Qualcomm CPU is not the same as Killing off Qualcomm altogether, and that is IF, A BIG IF, Kirin CPU can actually compete with Qualcomm CPU, you are honestly, for lacking of a better word, quite stupid still not to realise it.

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LOL. Obviously it is so difficult for you to admit your mistake right?

I never twist your words, it is you who are twisting your own logic and weak in reading comprehension.

I do apologise when I have make a mistake, like last time I replied to TaiShang Post and thinking it was Chinese Dragon, on the other hand, you caught with your pants down, yet still trying to twist your way out of a post. There is a Chinese Phase to describe you. 跌落地都要楋翻摣沙.You read Chinese right? Go figure it out.

Not so long in the future, it is relative, say: 5 to 8 years ahead.

Still difference in the meaning.

One means : in the short period, the other means: in the mid term period.

Seem it is so delicate for you to comprehend.

Dude, I know what i mean, you failed to get my point when I raise the sentence, no one will say that in Proper English, that is Chinglish. I am saying your English is bad, and you still don't get it and trying to explain to me what "Mid-Term competition" means......LOL

Proper English would use intermediate competition over Mid-Term, mid-term (中期)in Chinese is between close to far, but in English it mean half...

Oh my god, just how dumb were you??



LOL. It is you who dont know what I am saying, due to reading comprehension problem, or lack of logic or really dumb.

Only happening with you, that I have to elaborate my explanation like explaining simple math to pre elementary school student.

LOL. At least they have done research - published - quoted, and none of other credible researcher raise objection/deny their figure.

While you .. only base on ignorance and dumbness to support your claim 80% non chinese brand smartphone market share globally, right? You always outburst ignorance without data as usual

Furthermore, your math is terribly wrong! You know Huawei +Xiaomi + Oppo already reach 27% market share (Q1 2018), not to mention other big vendors: Vivo, Lenovo, ZTE, and other numerous smaller ones like: TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, etc etc. Then how come you claim non chinese brands reach 80% global market share???

Your math score must be terrible during your high school





How much is the chinese brand market share according to them? 20%? LOL

Could you bring their data to support your claim?





LOL you are dumb.

Why only 2 other makers Lenovo and BBK that has to reach 28% world market share, while there are so many other chinese smartphone brands in the global market that could occupy the 28%?

I have told you many many times the other chinese brands: Lenovo, ZTE, TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, Konka, Skyworth, Gree, and still so many more that can't be mentioned here. They take majority of the 41% "others" in 2017 global market share. That means: the 28% is shared by all of them.

This is not only confirming your reading comprehension problem, but also your problem with math or logic.

LOL. You are really idiot.

The 30.1% is only for Huawei, Xiaomi, Lenovo, Oppo and Vivo.

There are still 18% of other brands, and majority of them are Chinese brands which means the 30.1% + ~ 18% = ~48%. So the Oct 17 newzoo graph is still in line with the centerpoint research Q2 17 figure.

This is more confirming you have reading comprehension problem.





My estimation has already considered only 50% of Samsung mobile use Exynos, why dont you read carefully.

I know Qualcomm just dont produce CPU, but you dont know the the CPU is Qualcomm' bread and butter.

You are humiliating your self by showing your poor performance in logical thinking, reading comprehension, and math.

Name me THREE OTHER CHINESE Brand that is not Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, Lenovo? Because if there is only 1 other, which mean that one other need to have 18% world share, which would put it in 2nd spot behind Samsung, and we would know about it by now, and 2 brand will put it at number 4 at 9% each, which we al know the 5th spot is with Xiaomi. So you will need to name me three other Chinese brand that can be tuck behind all these giant and still get the 18% world share. If you cannot do it, which mean you FAILED

Dumbarse still don't know he read the wrong thing

Your estimation? Exynos only available in EU and South Korea, which just cross 1 millions mark in South Korea 4 weeks ago and crossed 2.6 millions in EU, over 14 millions total sale. Does that sound 50% to you?

https://www.sammobile.com/2018/05/15/galaxy-s9-sales-in-south-korea-cross-1-million-units/

Man, you don't know what you are talking and to be honest, quite delusional, and I am not going to reply to you anymore, I am quite busy with my time and I do not have time for delusional poster.

 

[antonius123]

How? Huawei is the END USER of Qualcomm product, which mean both production line is DIFFERENT. The only way Huawei can kill off Qualcomm is either take over Qualcomm business of Mobile modem, CPU and GSM chip set, and the only remotely applicable part is CPU, which is not one of Qualcomm major field of business. Huawei did not design, nor authorised to design GSM chipset, it was a licensed application.
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If Kirin can outcompete Snapdragon, then Qualcomm will loose big chunk of their revenue.

Killing off Qualcomm CPU is not the same as Killing off Qualcomm altogether, and that is IF, A BIG IF, Kirin CPU can actually compete with Qualcomm CPU, you are honestly, for lacking of a better word, quite stupid still not to realise it.

That "if" is with high possibility considering Huawei intense in R&D. And we are talking about situation where Huawei getting stronger while Qualcomm getting weaker due to ZTE ban.
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I do apologise when I have make a mistake, like last time I replied to TaiShang Post and thinking it was Chinese Dragon, on the other hand, you caught with your pants down, yet still trying to twist your way out of a post. There is a Chinese Phase to describe you. 跌落地都要楋翻摣沙.You read Chinese right? Go figure it out.

So far it is only shown that you are having problem with logical fallacy, math, and reading comprehension problem.

Dude, I know what i mean, you failed to get my point when I raise the sentence, no one will say that in Proper English, that is Chinglish. I am saying your English is bad, and you still don't get it and trying to explain to me what "Mid-Term competition" means......LOL

Proper English would use intermediate competition over Mid-Term, mid-term (中期)in Chinese is between close to far, but in English it mean half...

Oh my god, just how dumb were you??

Nonsense. Every other netizen understand what I was saying, and now there is some one (you) who is getting trouble to comprehend my words, and it is only you

You cant expect perfect grammar during discussion. Admit it that you are having problem with reading comprehension. It is further proven with your mistake in reading graphs and source

LOL. It is you who dont know what I am saying, due to reading comprehension problem, or lack of logic or really dumb.

Only happening with you, that I have to elaborate my explanation like explaining simple math to pre elementary school student.

Why you repeat my words?

That is suitable for you

Name me THREE OTHER CHINESE Brand that is not Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi, Lenovo? Because if there is only 1 other, which mean that one other need to have 18% world share, which would put it in 2nd spot behind Samsung, and we would know about it by now, and 2 brand will put it at number 4 at 9% each, which we al know the 5th spot is with Xiaomi. So you will need to name me three other Chinese brand that can be tuck behind all these giant and still get the 18% world share. If you cannot do it, which mean you FAILED

Dumbarse still don't know he read the wrong thing

Read again idiot.

I have thousand times mentioned chinese brands other than Huawei Oppo Vivo and Xiaomi, why you keep asking this?

Vivo, Lenovo, ZTE, and other numerous smaller ones like: TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier, Hisense, Changhong, etc etc

Whats wrong with your mind?

This confirming evidence that you have problem with reading comprehension

Your estimation? Exynos only available in EU and South Korea, which just cross 1 millions mark in South Korea 4 weeks ago and crossed 2.6 millions in EU, over 14 millions total sale. Does that sound 50% to you?

https://www.sammobile.com/2018/05/15/galaxy-s9-sales-in-south-korea-cross-1-million-units/

LOLs. This joker is wrong again!!

They are selling with exynoss in Indonesia, India, and many other countries:

As usual, one of the largest markets for flagship devices, the United States, will receive the Snapdragon 845 model. As we saw last year with the Galaxy S8 duo, the S9’s will be the first devices to rock the latest processor from Qualcomm. China is also a consistent recipient of the Snapdragon processor and this year is no different. Latin America and Japan are included in the bunch as well. The rest of the world, including the whole of Europe, will receive the native Samsung Exynos 9810 processor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/here...os-and-snapdragon-galaxy-s9-will-be-launched/​

https://www.bukalapak.com/p/handpho...K44lqyiHpC-CXEYHxtJ1UQ92EPU4ryfhoC4DYQAvD_BwE
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Samsung-use-Exynos-processors-in-India

This is your bad habit : talking ignorance without data

Man, you don't know what you are talking and to be honest, quite delusional, and I am not going to reply to you anymore, I am quite busy with my time and I do not have time for delusional poster.

LOL. You are talking about yourself.

Is it so difficult for you to admit that you are WRONG??

I have proven and busted you many times.

See again:

• Your mathematicaly erroneous claim 80% non chinese brands world market share
• You misunderstand newzoo graph, claiming chinese brand only 31%
• You fail to acknowledge numerous other chinese smartphone brands, though I have told you many-many times

Do you understand now, why banning chinese vendor will end up with Qualcomm collapse?

 

[jhungary]

If this, if that, come back to me IF you are a king of the world.

I honestly have no time to talk to delusional and stupid person like you, busted me. GIANT LOL You aren't even at my level of understanding in the field, you busted a giant nothing, and on the other hand your "QUOTE" was busted OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY ME, you don't accept that does not mean you are right, it just mean you live in a denial.

1.)you provide claim that you cannot back up, and no, a news article saying Indonesia and EU are receiving Samsung Processor is NOT a proof your claim that 50% of S9 uses Samsung Processsor, I quoted Sale number, give me a sale number quote to claim 50% of S9 are in Samsung Processor.


2.) You misread your own quote and still trying to twist the word and make it look like you have your argument.
So you think TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier combine have 18% of world share?

First of all, TCL does not own Alcatel, TCL mobile bought Alcatel license so they can use their network, in fact, Nokia co-own TCL mobile with TCL limited. Which mean Alcatel own TCL, not the other way around.

LOL show me proof how these tiny brand (Meizu for example, sold no more than 11 millions mobile phone in 2017) can reach 18% world share.

Lol, yeah, Chinese phone is of 48% market, which mean Sony Ericsson, LG, Asus, Nokia, Google and DoCoMo combine have less than 11% of world share LOL. You really should go tell that to the world. All of which have current flagship phone line where none of the Chinese brand you mentioned have

It clearly stated in your old reference it said Market was UP by 47% not Chinese take 47% market, you still denied the fact that you read the post wrong, I mean, how thick is your skin?

I mean, you can have the discussion to yourself, you can live in your imagination all you want, I am out. Can't imagine I am stuck talking to a dumbarse like you. Which everything you said is dumb to a point I cannot believe people can say this even with mental problem.

Quote me, don't quote me, I don't care, I am putting you on my ignore list. There are people I can talk sense to, there are people can't, and you belong to the latter category.

 

[antonius123]

If this, if that, come back to me IF you are a king of the world.

I always bring data and evidence, while you only bring ignorance and logical fallacy.

I honestly have no time to talk to delusional and stupid person like you, busted me. GIANT LOL You aren't even at my level of understanding in the field, you busted a giant nothing, and on the other hand your "QUOTE" was busted OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY ME, you don't accept that does not mean you are right, it just mean you live in a denial.

You should be shamed, if you think you are in this field, but know very little knowledge.

It is obvious that you have no clue who are the players in global smartphone obviously.

I am still waiting your explanation on how the non chinese brands could take 80% world market share, while counterpoint research said chinese brand market share totally is 48%

1.)you provide claim that you cannot back up, and no, a news article saying Indonesia and EU are receiving Samsung Processor is NOT a proof your claim that 50% of S9 uses Samsung Processsor, I quoted Sale number, give me a sale number quote to claim 50% of S9 are in Samsung Processor.

As I said: the 50% is estimation for simplicity, but it seems that estimation is reliable enough.

Consumer of Europe + India + rest of the world (except US, China, Japan), dont you think cannot reach 50%?
https://www.sammobile.com/news/here...os-and-snapdragon-galaxy-s9-will-be-launched/

Again... evidence of poor Logical Thinking + Analytical Thinking.

2.) You misread your own quote and still trying to twist the word and make it look like you have your argument.

Which one?

So you think TCL/Alcatel, One1, Meizu, Coolpad, Haier combine have 18% of world share?

Misreading again?

+ etc (other chinese brands that you failed to mention) ... yes could have 18%% of world share.

First of all, TCL does not own Alcatel, TCL mobile bought Alcatel license so they can use their network, in fact, Nokia co-own TCL mobile with TCL limited. Which mean Alcatel own TCL, not the other way around.

LOL. TCL bought Alcatel, now Alcatel is TCL's subsidiary. Means chinese TCL controll Alcatel.

Educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCL_Corporation

LOL show me proof how these tiny brand (Meizu for example, sold no more than 11 millions mobile phone in 2017) can reach 18% world share.

I did!
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...ne-share-as-per-counterpoint-research-1732479

Do math:
48% market share by chinese brands - 30% of Huawei + Xiaomi + Oppo + Vivo + Lenovo end up with 18%.

Dont blame me if you failed to comprehend the article and math

It clearly stated in your old reference it said Market was UP by 47% not Chinese take 47% market, you still denied the fact that you read the post wrong, I mean, how thick is your skin?

When did I said Chinese take 47%? please quote.

It must be your another failure in reading comprehension.

I said chinese take 48%, not 47%. 47% is the growth.

You are really stupid joker.

I mean, you can have the discussion to yourself, you can live in your imagination all you want, I am out. Can't imagine I am stuck talking to a dumbarse like you. Which everything you said is dumb to a point I cannot believe people can say this even with mental problem.

LOL. It proves you are denial and delusional.

How come you said I live in my imagination when I bring so many solid data to back my statement, while you keep bursting ignorance without data.

Your denial could make you feel convenient to live in your own delusion, but certainly can't bend the truth.

Meanwhile, I am still waiting your explanation on how the non chinese brands could take 80% world market share, while counterpoint research said chinese brand market share totally is 48%

Quote me, don't quote me, I don't care, I am putting you on my ignore list. There are people I can talk sense to, there are people can't, and you belong to the latter category.

Bullsheet! Everybody can see I am talking with data and sense, while you are consistently demonstrating ignorance, logical fallacy, and failure in reading comprehension.

I see this statement only as your "excuse" to cover your embarassment because you could not defend your dumb argument and hide your failures anymore.

 

[bolo]

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