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MFN status for India postponed: Nawaz

We'll see, politicians are beasts of whim, you may say he won't, but something might change. Modi is a businessman, same with Nawaz, they will talk as such. I have always said that it is businessmen that will repair Pakistan's and India's relationship, not anyone else.

Well , no body can predict what they will do but I can say one thing for sure. This is more business than politics, friendship or altruism. In a business deal , especially from which India is willing to walk away, Pakistan can't hope to "have it all".

The source said that India has offered to lower its duties to 7.5pc in a period of six months after Pakistan’s announcement of the MFN for India, which will be further lowered to 5pc in a period of one year. India is not willing to remove NTBs and customs duties.

Major beneficiary of the concession in tariff will be textile sector, based in Punjab.

Similarly, India will reduce its list of sensitive products to 100 items immediately after the announcement of the decision, while Pakistan reciprocates the decision in a period of five years.
Pakistan may grant India MFN status on Friday - DAWN.COM

The boldface will be the thorn in political discourse on the subject in India.
 
NDMA is literally the MFN, just with a different name. It's to lower political tensions and to sneakily give India MFN status, it's just that no one is out right saying it.

I think I should clarify, it's not just the conservatives that are opposed to the status (Nawaz is himself a conservative nationalist), it's also the liberals that oppose the status, because most liberals tend to be upper middle class, and have a vested interest to keep the status quo, because it's easier for them to profit from their monopolized businesses.

I think Nawaz is going trying to cement his legacy, because he realizes that achieving some sort of economic peace with India, and improving ties will set him up as a major historical figure in South Asia. He's (like most world leaders) in it for himself, but fortunately, that result will also benefit Pakistan.

How will this get passed? Convincing the smaller parties to join him. If he can get even one small opposition party (like JUI-F) to join him, he's won. I think the one party that may end up helping Nawaz is ironically PTI, a party that swore it would never support Nawaz in anything without a challenge.


We'll see, politicians are beasts of whim, you may say he won't, but something might change. Modi is a businessman, same with Nawaz, they will talk as such. I have always said that it is businessmen that will repair Pakistan's and India's relationship, not anyone else.

Nawaz is requesting united states for third party mediation with respect to Kashmir issue (and it could be rejected because of sensitivities involved)....then he talks about improving relations with India and granting MFN. Looks like a juggling act to not look pro India.

Since Nawas is in United states, he should find out how NAFTA since its inception(1994) is benefiting both mexico and united states. None of the concerns from doom sayers like Ross Perot regarding NAFTA that it will shift all american manufacturing jobs to mexico proved right. Some of the jobs did shift to mexico but it was not as catastrophic as was predicted. In fact free trade has raised the real income in all three north american countries.
 
How many news stories have been posted here about the MFN status, hundreds surely.

Time to be decisive. Either do it or not, all this indecisiveness is not good for the business environment.


They were to grant the MFN to India in March itself, but per the Pakistani Army's advice, they have deferred the decision till the end of elections in India so as to deal with the new Indian government that will remain in power for next 5 years.
 
trade is good
Pak should give it

business helps
 
:lol:What I tell you, they can keep harping about it. But it's never happening.
Its going to happen. Its literally inevitable. If not this year then the next.
The change over from positive list to negative list was the real momentous equation change.
MFN becomes inevitable after a negative list trading regime is put in place. Pakistan is also being forced to by practically everyone. It is now a natural course of action.

It can be delayed, not stopped.
Auto is blocked, but from what I understand pharma is allowed, but is being challenged by the pharma industry. Auto may be blocked, but then again, I don't know how well Indian auto industry would do in Pakistan, so it's not really a big loss (similar situation if pharma is blocked).

Pakistan needs to do this, because, one, it'll help the government to take control of Pakistani policy towards India from the military, and two, it's the only way to gain access to further bailout funds from the IMF. Nawaz understands this, which is why he's so insistent on getting this deal to pass through, even with the opposition trying to ruin this entire chance. I'm just hoping Modi is going to choose better relations, instead of populist nationalism.

Auto industry and pharma industry of India are one of the most competitive globally. Indian manufactured cars are exported to from Europe to Africa.
And Indian pharma industry is called the 'pharmacy of the poor' and 'pharmacy of Africa'.

That Pakistan was able to pressure GoI into excluding pharma and auto is major kudos to Pakistan and a major give in/incentivize by India to Pakistan.

Lastly, those who say Modi will say no to trade deal are deluding themselves. Modi is pro business and pragmatist. Period.

Odds(heavily) are Modi will do much more for intra-regional trade than Congress did in the last 10 years.
The only thing Modi might not agree to is letting both auto and pharma industry get excluded from the MFN regime. There is no populism in India in stopping trade with India. Practically there is no major opposition to trade with Pakistan, in India.
 
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Nawaz is requesting united states for third party mediation with respect to Kashmir issue (and it could be rejected because of sensitivities involved)....then he talks about improving relations with India and granting MFN. Looks like a juggling act to not look pro India.

Since Nawas is in United states, he should find out how NAFTA since its inception(1994) is benefiting both mexico and united states. None of the concerns from doom sayers like Ross Perot regarding NAFTA that it will shift all american manufacturing jobs to mexico proved right. Some of the jobs did shift to mexico but it was not as catastrophic as was predicted. In fact free trade has raised the real income in all three north american countries.

Nawaz is mentioning Kashmir is settle down the hardliners, and no doubt he's hoping this may help him win some favors from opposition parties. As much as I make fun of Nawaz, he's a smart man, he knows how to play the games of business and politics better than most politicians.

I agree that Nawaz should look into NAFTA, it could be of great help to South Asia as a whole. The poorer nations would benefit greatly, and the middle to rich countries (like Pakistan and India) would also benefit geopolitically.
 
Its going to happen. Its literally inevitable. If not this year then the next.
The change over from positive list to negative list was the real momentous equation change.
MFN becomes inevitable after a negative list trading regime is put in place. Pakistan is also being forced to by practically everyone. It is now a natural course of action.

It can be delayed, not stopped.


Auto industry and pharma industry of India are one of the most competitive globally. Indian manufactured cars are exported to from Europe to Africa.
And Indian pharma industry is called the 'pharmacy of the poor' and 'pharmacy of Africa'.

That Pakistan was able to pressure GoI into excluding pharma and auto is major kudos to Pakistan and a major give in/incentivize by India to Pakistan.

Lastly, those who say Modi will say no to trade deal are deluding themselves. Modi is pro business and pragmatist. Period.

Odds(heavily) are Modi will do much more for intra-regional trade than Congress did in the last 10 years.
The only thing Modi might not agree to is letting both auto and pharma industry get excluded from the MFN regime. There is no populism in India in stopping trade with India. Practically there is no major opposition to trade with Pakistan, in India.

My point was that the way Pakistani Papers are reporting MFN as totally pro-pakistan, is not true. And even if it is , I believe modi has a strong enough team to have it changed. Modi is pragmatic and does support trade but will not let Indian exports falter. He will draw some concessions in some form. Unlike Manmohan he will not let the economy be ravaged in pursuit of fickle peace.
 
Well , no body can predict what they will do but I can say one thing for sure. This is more business than politics, friendship or altruism. In a business deal , especially from which India is willing to walk away, Pakistan can't hope to "have it all".


Pakistan may grant India MFN status on Friday - DAWN.COM

The boldface will be the thorn in political discourse on the subject in India.
First of all, Pakistan isn't looking to have it all, both sides try and get the upper hand in negotiations. If India doesn't budge, it's fine, Pakistan will sign the deal regardless. I've already explain why I think it will happen, I don't fancy repeating myself.

I don't think this will affect India too much, as India has little to lose or gain. Agreeing to this deal will give India a better international standing as a nation willing to compromise; that's worth more to India than a few billion dollars in trade.

Having said all that, I could be completely wrong, but all the signs point to Pakistan and India finalizing some sort of agreement. This could be between this Indian gov or the next, it doesn't matter which. Such initiatives are hard to stop, when they're this far ahead, Modi will be hard pressed to cancel any deal even if he wanted too.

My point was that the way Pakistani Papers are reporting MFN as totally pro-pakistan, is not true. And even if it is , I believe modi has a strong enough team to have it changed. Modi is pragmatic and does support trade but will not let Indian exports falter. He will draw some concessions in some form. Unlike Manmohan he will not let the economy be ravaged in pursuit of fickle peace.

Does it matter what the media is saying in the long run? Just ignore them and concentrate on the facts.
 
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First of all, Pakistan isn't looking to have it all, both sides try and get the upper hand in negotiations. If India doesn't budge, it's fine, Pakistan will sign the deal regardless. I've already explain why I think it will happen, I don't fancy repeating myself.

I don't think this will affect India too much, as India has little to lose or gain. Agreeing to this deal will give India a better international standing as a nation willing to compromise; that's worth more to India than a few billion dollars in trade.

Having said all that, I could be completely wrong, but all the signs point to Pakistan and India finalizing some sort of agreement. This could be between this Indian gov or the next, it doesn't matter which. Such initiatives are hard to stop, when they're this far ahead, Modi will be hard pressed to cancel any deal even if he wanted too.



Does it matter what the media is saying in the long run? Just ignore them and concentrate on the facts.

Also, a trade deal with Pakistan will hardly affect India's economy, in fact, it has a higher chance of going up than being "ravaged". This may be business, but the political aspects shouldn't be ignored, India is only going along with this to win International influence.
Can't say on the "International influence" thing. Never seen India making decision on this line of thought.
pakistani imports cant ravage the economy. That would be stupid.
The issue is that most imports target industries that employ "unskilled"/Semi skilled labor like textiles. They hit the bottom most pyramid of people. The fault is India's as we should have moved to Manufacturing.
But I guess the full details will be out only after we get some announcement from either of the sides.
Till then we can only speculate.
 
Can't say on the "International influence" thing. Never seen India making decision on this line of thought.
pakistani imports cant ravage the economy. That would be stupid.
The issue is that most imports target industries that employ "unskilled"/Semi skilled labor like textiles. They hit the bottom most pyramid of people. The fault is India's as we should have moved to Manufacturing.
But I guess the full details will be out only after we get some announcement from either of the sides.
Till then we can only speculate
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Agreed, all we have to go on is news reports, and some semi-official statements. We don't really know why it was postponed, but from rumors (again speculation) it was only because some cabinet ministers were "busy" and didn't show up to the meeting. If they showed up, this issue would have already cleared the main obstacle of making this decision official.
 
Agreed, all we have to go on is news reports, and some semi-official statements. We don't really know why it was postponed, but from rumors (again speculation) it was only because some cabinet ministers were "busy" and didn't show up to the meeting. If they showed up, this issue would have already cleared the main obstacle of making this decision official.

The most probable reason is that the electoral environment in India is so charged up , and the resentment against Congress is so high that if someone had tried to introduce this proposal, Everyone else would pounce on them. Already the congress is criticized for being a lame duck government. regardless the contents of the agreement, it would have caused accusation of selling national interests, and the question of "why not after the election?" would have inevitably popped up after a shit storm of needless controversy.
 
The most probable reason is that the electoral environment in India is so charged up , and the resentment against Congress is so high that if someone had tried to introduce this proposal, Everyone else would pounce on them. Already the congress is criticized for being a lame duck government. regardless the contents of the agreement, it would have caused accusation of selling national interests, and the question of "why not after the election?" would have inevitably popped up after a shit storm of needless controversy.

Perhaps, there are too many unknown variables.
 
Pak army stopped Nawaz Sharif govt from trade deal: India

NEW DELHI: UPA-2 will perhaps best be remembered for a series of financial scams and the so-called policy paralysis but as it prepares to sign off, it is now hobbled by its Pakistan policy.

Stung by what India sees as Pakistan's refusal to allow any concession to the outgoing government for normalizing trade relations, senior government sources here told TOI Islamabad's policy over the issue was being dictated by Pakistan's military establishment. They said the upcoming elections are now certain to mark the termination of the idea that trade can lead to peaceful relations between the two countries.

"The several recent flip-flops made by the Nawaz Sharif government on the issue has greatly reduced the its credibility with Indian negotiators who have concluded that in addition to political and security policy, the Pakistan government does not even have the ability to go against the Pakistan military dictates on issues related to economic reforms," said a top government official, in a reaction to Sharif's comment on Monday that MFN status to India has been delayed because of the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.

In fact, the bureaucracy is feeling increasingly let down because it was always sceptical about going out of its way to better trade relations with Pakistan. With PM Manmohan Singh and his office showing an "extraordinary commitment" to improving trade relations, it allowed itself to be pushed and prodded.

After the two countries agreed to the September 2012 roadmap for improving trade, many thought Pakistan had at least temporarily moved away from its top-down approach in dealing with India. Things have now turned so bad that Indian interlocutors have lost interest in the idea that trade can provide the basis for constructing a lasting framework for "peaceful, friendly and cooperative" ties with the present Pakistan government. "It will take another 1-2 years before the new government in New Delhi settles down and contemplates a long term visionary policy towards Pakistan," said the source, adding that even in the minds of the Pakistan business establishment there is a sense of a missed opportunity.

India believes that it is Pakistan PM advisor on foreign affairs Sartaz Aziz who has advised Sharif to not give any concession to the outgoing UPA government. According to the government, Islamabad has invoked the false idea of Pakistan-specific "nontariff barriers" that have been erected by India. Pakistan shared its list of 185 items of export interest to it, as officials said, India readily indicated it would provide SAFTA Tariff concessions on these tariff lines on an accelerated implementation schedule.

While Sharif had initially decided to move rapidly on the September 2012 roadmap, his government made a "U-turn" late 2013 after arriving at the conclusion that trade normalization was too much of a concession to the outgoing Congress government. In the beginning of 2014, it again signalled it was ready to implement the road map.

"With much persistence, and false promises of announcing the opening of Wagah-Attari, Pakistan insisted on commerce secretary-level discussions to work out the new accelerated time lines. However at the meeting (held on the margins of the SAARC Business Leaders Conference 15-16 January), Pakistan backtracked, returning to the position that this was too much of a concession to an outgoing Indian government," said an official, adding that commencing trade in electricity and gas with India to alleviate Pakistan's power problem was supposed to jump start this process.

India believes that the Sharif government has played right into the hands of its security establishment despite Pakistan's economic managers realizing that preferential access to the Indian market would greatly ease Pakistan's foreign exchange constraint, as well as provide much needed stimulus to its export industries and by implications its whole economy.

They have, officials said here, often advised their political masters that Pakistan should adopt the approach Sri Lanka has been using since the signing of the FTA with India — derive full economic benefits from the Free Trade Agreement, while pursuing political and security agendas separately.
Pak army stopped Nawaz Sharif govt from trade deal: India - The Times of India
 
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