MBDA unveils new GBADS C2 system

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

MBDA unveiled a scalable command-and-control (C2) suite for an "unspecified customer."

MBDA has developed a new ground-based air defence (GBAD) command and control (C2) system called Network-Centric Engagement Solutions (NCES), which the firm revealed at the 2017 Paris Air Show at Le Bourget.

The system, which has been developed in response to an unspecified customer's particular requirements, provides a flexible network of sensors, effectors, and fire control centres (FCC) operating on a single network. It is scalable from battery to national level, and can interface with an air operations centre (AOC) providing upper-level C2. It is weapon system-agnostic, and can be used across the spectrum of GBAD from very short-range AD (VSHORAD) to ballistic missile defence (BMD). Existing GBAD systems can be integrated using a gateway to convert the necessary data.

NCES has an open architecture and is based on an application layer on existing or new communications networks. Sensors and weapons systems are linked to fire control centres (FCC) via communication network access points (NAP). This means that the GBAD organisation is no longer constrained by a battery being linked to an organic sensor and C2 system.
http://www.janes.com/article/71831/mbda-unveils-new-gbads-c2-system
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I found this interesting because at IDEAS, Havelsan said it was pitching a very similar system - named DOOB [Defence Out of Box] to Pakistan.

HAVELSAN has developed DOOB ™, a command and control information system that can be used by the Armed Forces for basic warfare, resource management, and joint residential installations by adding a new addition to their strategic and tactical level command and control work. DOOB ™ is an application designed to meet the needs of national and NATO command and control information systems for use in strategic, operational and tactical command levels. The main purpose of the DOOB ™ application is to increase situational awareness at all levels of command and support the operation planning and execution of the command level.

The service-based architecture and modularly developed DOOB ™ have features such as easy integration with external systems, easy installation and operation. These features make DOOB ™ competitive in the world market.

DOOB ™ software was exported to Pakistan Land Forces Command for trial use for 6 months in November 2013.

http://www.havelsan.com.tr/a/Main/urun/712/defence-out-of-box​

I wonder if this MBDA suite is an offering for some scalable C2 suite requirement in Pakistan?

@Oscar @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan 777 @Horus @Bratva

 

[cabatli_53]

 

[Gryphon]

MBDA unveiled a scalable command-and-control (C2) suite for an "unspecified customer."

MBDA has developed a new ground-based air defence (GBAD) command and control (C2) system called Network-Centric Engagement Solutions (NCES), which the firm revealed at the 2017 Paris Air Show at Le Bourget.

The system, which has been developed in response to an unspecified customer's particular requirements, provides a flexible network of sensors, effectors, and fire control centres (FCC) operating on a single network. It is scalable from battery to national level, and can interface with an air operations centre (AOC) providing upper-level C2. It is weapon system-agnostic, and can be used across the spectrum of GBAD from very short-range AD (VSHORAD) to ballistic missile defence (BMD). Existing GBAD systems can be integrated using a gateway to convert the necessary data.

NCES has an open architecture and is based on an application layer on existing or new communications networks. Sensors and weapons systems are linked to fire control centres (FCC) via communication network access points (NAP). This means that the GBAD organisation is no longer constrained by a battery being linked to an organic sensor and C2 system.
http://www.janes.com/article/71831/mbda-unveils-new-gbads-c2-system
​

I found this interesting because at IDEAS, Havelsan said it was pitching a very similar system - named DOOB [Defence Out of Box] to Pakistan.

HAVELSAN has developed DOOB ™, a command and control information system that can be used by the Armed Forces for basic warfare, resource management, and joint residential installations by adding a new addition to their strategic and tactical level command and control work. DOOB ™ is an application designed to meet the needs of national and NATO command and control information systems for use in strategic, operational and tactical command levels. The main purpose of the DOOB ™ application is to increase situational awareness at all levels of command and support the operation planning and execution of the command level.

The service-based architecture and modularly developed DOOB ™ have features such as easy integration with external systems, easy installation and operation. These features make DOOB ™ competitive in the world market.

DOOB ™ software was exported to Pakistan Land Forces Command for trial use for 6 months in November 2013.

http://www.havelsan.com.tr/a/Main/urun/712/defence-out-of-box​

I wonder if this MBDA suite is an offering for some scalable C2 suite requirement in Pakistan?

@Oscar @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan 777 @Horus @Bratva

The system is designed to plug military and civil radars into a single, real-time network to give improved decision-making for air operation centers. Various air-to-ground weapons would also be plugged into the overarching network.

This architecture seeks to be “highly resilient” and flexible, he said, so if a command and control center were lost, the control of missiles and radars plugged into that one would be transferred to another center.

The system overview can be applied at a local region up to a national level.

Nations already have command and control systems, and this aims to bring to them to a higher application, or “app” level, an MBDA spokesman said.

The system is independent of missiles already in place, and future weapons can be installed and plugged into the network, which delivers fire-control and engagement capabilities, Seuzaret said.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/mbda-to-deliver-ground-based-air-defense-architecture-this-year



In 2015, MBDA proposed a 'mobile' SPADA 2000 GBAD to Pakistan Army. It is possible that Pakistan Army is the customer (speculation ).

LY-80, FM-90, Crotale 4000 and Spada 2000+ are currently believed to be integrated with 'Raabta' C2 system.

Havelsan DOOB or MBDA NCES will improve army's air defence capability further.


@Path-Finder

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The system is designed to plug military and civil radars into a single, real-time network to give improved decision-making for air operation centers. Various air-to-ground weapons would also be plugged into the overarching network.

This architecture seeks to be “highly resilient” and flexible, he said, so if a command and control center were lost, the control of missiles and radars plugged into that one would be transferred to another center.

The system overview can be applied at a local region up to a national level.

Nations already have command and control systems, and this aims to bring to them to a higher application, or “app” level, an MBDA spokesman said.

The system is independent of missiles already in place, and future weapons can be installed and plugged into the network, which delivers fire-control and engagement capabilities, Seuzaret said.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/mbda-to-deliver-ground-based-air-defense-architecture-this-year



In 2015, MBDA proposed a 'mobile' SPADA 2000 GBAD to Pakistan Army. It is possible that Pakistan Army is the customer (speculation ).

LY-80, FM-90, Crotale 4000 and Spada 2000+ are currently believed to be integrated with 'Raabta' C2 system.

Havelsan DOOB or MBDA NCES will improve army's air defence capability further.


@Path-Finder

Pakistan tested the DOOB but Havelsan is still looking for an actual order. Sounds like this is a long-term bid, I wonder if it is tied in any way to the MPDR-replacement program? I can see Aselsan backing the DOOB with the EIRS, while Thales can package the Ground Master or Ground Fire with the NCES.

 

[Gryphon]

Pakistan tested the DOOB but Havelsan is still looking for an actual order. Sounds like this is a long-term bid, I wonder if it is tied in any way to the MPDR-replacement program? I can see Aselsan backing the DOOB with the EIRS, while Thales can package the Ground Master or Ground Fire with the NCES.

C2 system is the requirement of Army ADC (for existing and future short and medium range SAMs), MPDR's are operated by PAF.

Thales products are very expensive. The French will skin PAF to the bone.
Aselsan doesn't have a reliable low level radar yet. For EIRS, they are claiming a range of 600 km (too much for a ground based, low level radar).

The only European competitors I see for MPDR replacement tender (when it is up) are Saab and Leonardo.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Imagine having the NCES/DOOB with modern artillery counter-fire radars like the LM Q-53 or Aselsan STR!

 

[Oublious]

C2 system is the requirement of Army ADC (for existing and future short and medium range SAMs), MPDR's are operated by PAF.

Thales products are very expensive. The French will skin PAF to the bone.
Aselsan doesn't have a reliable low level radar yet. For EIRS, they are claiming a range of 600 km (too much for a ground based, low level radar).

The only European competitors I see for MPDR replacement tender (when it is up) are Saab and Leonardo.

They have enough short range radars, look to the turkish section...

 

[Gryphon]

They have enough short range radars, look to the turkish section...

They offer fire control radars and have many radars in development.

Aselsan doesn't have a field proven low level AESA yet.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

They offer fire control radars and have many radars in development.

Aselsan doesn't have a field proven low level AESA yet.

The German company Hensoldt (spun-off from Airbus DS) also has the TRML-3D/32 and TRML-4D GaN-based radars with ranges of 200 km and 250 km, respectively (link). This is in Saab Giraffe 4A and Leonardo Kronos Land league.

I bring up Hensoldt because this company (via its acquisitions) is already dealing with Pakistan, specifically the Pakistan Navy (via the Airbus DS SERO and OMS and Kelvin Hughes SharpEye). It also inherited what was once Siemens, which actually sold the MPDRs to the PAF (they're even hiring a support specialist for the system).

 

[Gryphon]

The German company Hensoldt (spun-off from Airbus DS) also has the TRML-3D/32 and TRML-4D GaN-based radars with ranges of 200 km and 250 km, respectively (link). This is in Saab Giraffe 4A and Leonardo Kronos Land league.

I bring up Hensoldt because this company (via its acquisitions) is already dealing with Pakistan, specifically the Pakistan Navy (via the Airbus DS SERO and OMS and Kelvin Hughes SharpEye). It also inherited what was once Siemens, which actually sold the MPDRs to the PAF (they're even hiring a support specialist for the system).

In the Agosta 90B MLU project being undertaken by STM, Airbus DS Optronics is working as a subcontractor and supplying its systems via Turkey.

As I have said earlier, Saab and Leonardo are the main competitors, besides Lockheed.

When the tender is issued, count Saab as the OEM with the highest chances of winning. Their network in Pakistan is extensive.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In the Agosta 90B MLU project being undertaken by STM, Airbus DS Optronics is working as a subcontractor and supplying its systems via Turkey.

As I have said earlier, Saab and Leonardo are the main competitors, besides Lockheed.

When the tender is issued, count Saab as the OEM with the highest chances of winning. Their network in Pakistan is extensive.

STM is the main contractor, but the export licenses have to be worked for Pakistan. The implementation work is also being done in Pakistan at KSEW.

 

[Gryphon]

STM is the main contractor, but the export licenses have to be worked for Pakistan. The implementation work is also being done in Pakistan at KSEW.

In Agosta 90B upgrade program, these companies have been selected by the main contractor (STM), not by KSEW or PN. Obviously, the export licenses have to be issued.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In Agosta 90B upgrade program, these companies have been selected by the main contractor (STM), not by KSEW or PN. Obviously, the export licenses have to be issued.

Yeah but my point is that the PN still assessed the specific subsystems and agreed with them.