Massive Japanese Protest Against a New US Military Base in Okinawa Island

[Beast]

Or maybe we pack up and leave Asia and play a game called "See how quick Asia felt to China"? Shall we?

Asia will progress economically faster if US can quickly leave asia

 

[Aepsilons]

Asia will progress economically faster if US can quickly leave asia

Realistically, the United States won't 'leave' Asia, despite your opinion in support of said manifest. We have to understand, strategically, that the United States, by her occupation of Pacific Islands, is a Pacific Power. One has to learn to live , learn to implement having an active US Armed Forces in the Pacific & East/ Southeast Asian Region.

Adapting to this geostrategic reality is a necessity. The more one accepts this, the more prudent one will be in appreciating the environment.

 

[terranMarine]

withdraw back to the Pacific will result less animosity between DPRK and South Korea, Okinawans happy and most likely Japanese citizens (feeling less occupied shall we say) China too would be pleased with this "peaceful" change of course

 

[Beast]

Realistically, the United States won't 'leave' Asia, despite your opinion in support of said manifest. We have to understand, strategically, that the United States, by her occupation of Pacific Islands, is a Pacific Power. One has to learn to live , learn to implement having an active US Armed Forces in the Pacific & East/ Southeast Asian Region.

Active armed asia? For more war? US has already made a mess of Middle East and now turns its attention to asia?

Surprisely, US is the very reason for the tension and mess worldwide.

 

[Transhumanist]

Realistically, the United States won't 'leave' Asia, despite your opinion in support of said manifest. We have to understand, strategically, that the United States, by her occupation of Pacific Islands, is a Pacific Power. One has to learn to live , learn to implement having an active US Armed Forces in the Pacific & East/ Southeast Asian Region.

I don't understand what he said anyway. The US is an integral part of Asia's economic prosperity, removing it would doom Asia - and much of the rest of the world. Weak US consumer spending and sentiment is currently exacerbating China's slowdown, why would further removing the US be a good thing?

Removing them militarily would be good for the US economy (assuming peace can be retained in the region without the US presence. History has shown that to be a fallacy though. Asia wars without the US to babysit them.), but I'm not familiar with a case study on the economic benefits to Asia - especially as a lack of US security guarantees would see Asia increase its defense spending, ultimately ending in the familiar "cost disease" situation that befalls rising military costs.

withdraw back to the Pacific will result less animosity between DPRK and South Korea

Without the US security guarantee the two would most likely have returned to hostilities. An overwhelming US security presence keeps North Korea somewhat rational.

 

[Aepsilons]

withdraw back to the Pacific will result less animosity between DPRK and South Korea, Okinawans happy and most likely Japanese citizens (feeling less occupied shall we say) China too would be pleased with this "peaceful" change of course

Tho the region has various definitions of homeostasis in the national sense, I believe that all partners have to cultivate an understanding of --- 和

For those who do not understand Kanji --- it means 'Harmony'. This is a pro-active process.

Active armed asia? For more war? US has already made a mess of Middle East and now turns its attention to asia?

Surprisely, US is the very reason for the tension and mess worldwide.

Would you not agree that the reason why South Korea exists today, as a vibrant and successful state, is because of US Military Presence? Please do not tell me that North Korea's current...situation...is an example of a 'successful' state? lol

 

[24 Hours]

Did these kinds of protests exist even before the rape incident?

 

[Transhumanist]

Did these kinds of protests exist even before the rape incident?

Anti-nuclear protests in the 60s and 70s, yes. Kadena was host to some 1000 US nuclear warheads. Okinawa was also a staging point for US forces in Vietnam, again anti-war protests were common. Here's a brief rundown, unfortunately, and as is common these days with scientific articles, many of the supporting links are dead:

Okinawa Prefecture

So yes, there is a precedent for Anti-US Military protests in Okinawa that predates any misconduct conducted by US forces.

 

[terranMarine]

Would you not agree that the reason why South Korea exists today, as a vibrant and successful state, is because of US Military Presence? Please do not tell me that North Korea's current...situation...is an example of a 'successful' state? lol

It's not?
Seriously, South Korea is capable of defending against the North. I thought that's what you have been claiming all the time.

 

[Aepsilons]

Did these kinds of protests exist even before the rape incident?

Yes. This is a prefectural issue , and the Governor of Okinawa Prefecture ran on the mandate of making sure that the Henoko Base will not go ahead as schedule as long as he is Governor. This is a great opportunity for Japan's Judicial as well as Executive and Legislative branches to oil its machinery --- so to say --- as this is creating debate within the Legislative Body (The National Diet) on the constitutionality of military bases in the country (American). In addition, this is also engaging the Saikō-Saibansho, The Japanese Supreme Court, to interpret the constitutionality of US military bases in the country, as well as the legality of Executive Orders that intimidate Okinawa Prefecture's Governorship.


This is actually a wonderful experience for the entire country. It flexes our democratic processes.

 

[24 Hours]

Yes. This is a prefectural issue , and the Governor of Okinawa Prefecture ran on the mandate of making sure that the Henoko Base will not go ahead as schedule as long as he is Governor. This is a great opportunity for Japan's Judicial as well as Executive and Legislative branches to oil its machinery --- so to say --- as this is creating debate within the Legislative Body (The National Diet) on the constitutionality of military bases in the country (American). In addition, this is also engaging the Saikō-Saibansho, The Japanese Supreme Court, to interpret the constitutionality of US military bases in the country, as well as the legality of Executive Orders that intimidate Okinawa Prefecture's Governorship.


This is actually a wonderful experience for the entire country. It flexes our democratic processes.

That's great! In that case, I wish your country all the best on this issue.

 

[Aepsilons]

It's not?
Seriously, South Korea is capable of defending against the North. I thought that's what you have been claiming all the time.

Well, I'm no Korean so my opinion don't represent the South Korean view, just giving my own view, historically speaking. Afterall, it was the United States Army that beat back the North Korean offensive in the early phase of the Korean War. Had the United States been 'absent' from the region, the entire Korean peninsula would be under the administration of Pyongyang. And we all know how 'fruitful' and 'successful' Pyongyang has been in nation building due to the immense economic success of the country and the high quality of living (HDI) of the country compared to say Japan, China, Taiwan.

(I hope you got the sarcasm)

That's great! In that case, I wish your country all the best on this issue.

Thanks buddy ! Yes, I think the happenings in Okinawa is a necessary experience for Japan.

 

[gambit]

Asia will progress economically faster if US can quickly leave asia

Utter BS...And you know it...

 

[Beast]

Tho the region has various definitions of homeostasis in the national sense, I believe that all partners have to cultivate an understanding of --- 和

For those who do not understand Kanji --- it means 'Harmony'. This is a pro-active process.



Would you not agree that the reason why South Korea exists today, as a vibrant and successful state, is because of US Military Presence? Please do not tell me that North Korea's current...situation...is an example of a 'successful' state? lol

You are so smart to quote one example by ignore others? Maybe Libya will be a vibrant nation if US stays out of intervention.

Utter BS...And you know it...

Why not? China the leader of Asia will lead the economic of Asia continent.

 

[terranMarine]

Well, I'm no Korean so my opinion don't represent the South Korean view, just giving my own view, historically speaking. Afterall, it was the United States Army that beat back the North Korean offensive in the early phase of the Korean War. Had the United States been 'absent' from the region, the entire Korean peninsula would be under the administration of Pyongyang. And we all know how 'fruitful' and 'successful' Pyongyang has been in nation building due to the immense economic success of the country and the high quality of living (HDI) of the country compared to say Japan, China, Taiwan.

(I hope you got the sarcasm)

This isn't the fifties and South Korea is quite capable of defending herself these days. Then again the South Koreans do beg for he US to stay. As for Japan, i have mixed feelings.