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Massive Japanese Protest Against a New US Military Base in Okinawa Island

If Asia prospered without China, why do they (besides China) still NEED about $8 trillion for infrastructure? It has been around 25 years since the end of the Cold War and USA suppose to build up those trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure in Asia by now. Freedom of trade is not enough my friend.
That is so stupid...:hitwall:

That have nothing to do with the fact that during the Cold War, the major Asian powers sped ahead of China in very metrics except population growth. I am an easy going guy %99 of the time, but sometimes it really is painful debating you Chinese.
 
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That is so stupid...:hitwall:

That have nothing to do with the fact that during the Cold War, the major Asian powers sped ahead of China in very metrics except population growth. I am an easy going guy %99 of the time, but sometimes it really is painful debating you Chinese.
@gambit ,can't you read? I said post Cold War (right after the end of Cold War) to this present day and onwards......
And look at China now compare to other Asian powers. You can't be THAT blind...........
 
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About 35,000 protesters rally in Okinawa, calling for shut down U.S. Futenma base - Xinhua | English.news.cn
English.news.cn | 2015-05-17 16:45:18 | Editor: ying

NAHA, Japan, May 17 (Xinhua) -- About 35,000 protesters across Japan gathered together on Sunday in Naha, the capital city of Japan's southernmost island prefecture of Okinawa, urging the Japanese central government to abort a plan to set up a new military base for the United States in Henoko area and to immediately shut down the controversial U.S. Futenma airbase in the prefecture's Ginowan city.

The rally came after two-day peaceful march in Henoko and Ginowan area and it passed a resolution which demands the Japanese and U.S. government dropping their plan to move the U.S. Futenma airbase that located in the crowded Ginowan city to less populated Henoko area within Okinawa.

The resolution said that the Japanese and U.S. governments turned blind eye to Okinawa people's strong willingness of moving the Futenma outside the island prefecture and their move of ramming to carry out construction of the replacement for the Futenma in Henoko destroyed Japan's democratic system.

It said that the Okinawan people never allowed the construction of the U.S. military base and the shutdown of the Futenma airbase is the only way to resolve the issue.

Okinawa Governor Takeshi Onaga addressed during the gathering, saying that he strongly resented agaisnt Prime Minister Shinzo Abe ' s remarks on the issue during a joint press conference after his meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington.

Abe told Obama that he hoped the new base in Henoko would help resolve the relocation issue of the Futenma, although Onaga expressed Okinawan public opinion to Abe before the Abe-Obama summit last month.

"Under the 'proactive pacifism' endorsed by the Abe's administration, how long should Okinawa continue to sacrifice itself for the Japan-U.S. defense alliance as the two governments now put the Middle East region under their defense cooperation," Onaga questioned.

Meanwhile, Morimasa Goya, a co-head of the Henoko Fund which was established recently aiming at supporting Okinawa's opposition against the new military base in Henoko, told the rally that the fund has collected 211 million yen (about 1.77 million U.S. dollars) so far and 70 percent of the collection was from mainland Japan.

It shows that "Okinawa's opinion gains supports across the country," said Goya, adding that Okinawa is not alone on the fight against the new base in Henoko.

Former Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama and the leader of the Social Democratic Party, Tadatomo Yoshida, also attended Sunday's gathering.
 
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I don't know another country with a thick skull than the US. The local clearly don't welcome them but they shamelessly stay. LOL
It is the government that allows the US to stay. If the government goes against the wishes of the people, that is both the people's and the government's fault, not the guest. So who really have the thick skull here ?
 
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Had the United States been 'absent' from the region, the entire Korean peninsula would be under the administration of Pyongyang. And we all know how 'fruitful' and 'successful' Pyongyang has been in nation building due to the immense economic success of the country and the high quality of living (HDI) of the country compared to say Japan, China, Taiwan.

Under China's wing BTW....not the West's, South Korea's, or Japan's.


Article 9 revoking is gathering momentum...
 
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Tho the region has various definitions of homeostasis in the national sense, I believe that all partners have to cultivate an understanding of ---

For those who do not understand Kanji --- it means 'Harmony'. This is a pro-active process.



Would you not agree that the reason why South Korea exists today, as a vibrant and successful state, is because of US Military Presence? Please do not tell me that North Korea's current...situation...is an example of a 'successful' state? lol

Credit should be given to the Koreans.

There is an old Chinese saying.....The ocean will float or capsize the boat.

South Korea is what it is today because of the South Koreans. They capsized the boat.
North Korea is what it is today because of the North Koreans. They float the boat.

United States is quick to take credit is a good thing happen and quick to blame others when a bad thing occurs.
In United States, the Korean war was known as the forrgotten war for a reason.
Is was the wrong war in the wrong time and in the wrong place. No menument was build until recently.

Only recently because of the success of the South Korea, due mainly to the efforts of the South Koreans, Americans starts to take credit for it.
 
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@Nihonjin1051

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't Okinawans hate Japan as well and are leaning towards Chinese?

Okinawans hate Japan? Okinawans are Japanese. It would like be me saying people from Hokkaido (like myself) hate Japan because we are from the North. The concept of regionalism is not so evident in Japan, as we, despite the area we hail from, put the identity of NIHONJIN first and foremost.


Of course there are outliers, but outliers are outliers for a reason and are non-representative.
 
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So can anyone make prediction where this issue is heading? The US base moves to the new location? Stays where it is? Or pack up & leave to a nearby island where no one lives, lol?
 
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not many country are like Pakistan that's buddy-buddy with China, and US is there to counter balance the situation between Russia-China-US, if US left this equation, you are looking at war in Asian Pacific region.

kind of like Iraq Pre-Saddam Hussein era, you remove Saddam out of the equation, and you don't have a replacement, then you got civil war.

I think that is what US think , China has no Intention nor Power to attack countries and hold like US did ..
you are forcefully putting US in Equation , and Wars just make the world much worse , look at Syria , Iraq and Afghanistan .. US achieved nothing instead of dead Soldiers and Millions dead Muslims ...
The thing is that US has so much Fcuked up this world with their Failed Policies , than this Argument from US does not seems Valid that we are there to stop East and South Asian Destroy each other with war ..
you should have known that your Country is been always involved in waging wars through Proxies ..
 
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lol, yes, i know right? lol. We Japanese are so organized in everything we do, even when public opposition rallies are conducted, everything is done with organization in mind.

We don't do "chaos", lol.
Keeps the entropy down, maximum reversibility...
 
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Okinawans hate Japan? Okinawans are Japanese. It would like be me saying people from Hokkaido (like myself) hate Japan because we are from the North. The concept of regionalism is not so evident in Japan, as we, despite the area we hail from, put the identity of NIHONJIN first and foremost.


Of course there are outliers, but outliers are outliers for a reason and are non-representative.

My question was based on a American Diplomatic cable from wikileaks

Okinawan Analysis: Split Identity, Affinity with China --------------------------------------------- -------------- -----------------



¶17. (SBU) The above history still shapes Okinawans' world views, including their sense of identity. In December 2005 the University of the Ryukyus announced the results of a telephone survey of Okinawans, in which 40% of respondents, when asked how they identified themselves, said they were Okinawan. A smaller percentage said they were both Okinawan and Japanese (36%), and just over one in five identified themselves as Japanese (21%). ¶18. (SBU) This history also shapes how Okinawans view the GOJ and actions that are presented in the world press as provocations to China, most notably visits by the Prime Minister to Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine. While many mainland Japanese are reportedly uncomfortable with the visits, if push comes to shove between China and Japan, opinion polls show that most side with Japan's right to do as it pleases. We believe most Okinawans side with China. Typical of this attitude is Masaru Yamada, treasurer of Okinawa City, who recently criticized Koizumi's visits to Yasukuni Shrine. He told us he doubted China would ever accept Koizumi's explanations of the visits, any more than he himself did. Okinawans and Chinese held similar views of the visits, he explained, because they shared the experience of having been "prisoners of war" of the Japanese. ¶19. (U) Local newspaper editorials have also pointed to the Yasukuni visits as unnecessary barriers to bilateral and regional cooperation that the GOJ could, and should, remove. Although an exaggeration, a recent Ryukyu Shimpo article reporting on the study of Okinawan identity concluded with a warning that GOJ policies, particularly as they related to bases and transformation, could influence Okinawans' opinions on whether to remain part of Japan. ¶20. (SBU) Many Okinawans believe that China sees them differently, and more warmly, than it sees the rest of Japan. They point out that Taipei International Airport, when posting place names in Chinese characters, lists flights to/from "Ryukyu," not Okinawa. A May 2005 Ryukyu Shimpo report claimed that, because of Okinawa's history, it could become an NAHA 00000103 006.2 OF 008 intermediary peacefully linking China and Taiwan. By offering an independent, international contribution, Okinawa could renounce its title of "(strategic) keystone of the Pacific" and become a "keystone of goodwill." A June 2005 Ryukyu Shimpo opinion piece contrasted the hospitality the Chinese granted Okinawa Governor Inamine and his party when they visited Beijing with Beijing's snubbing of PM Koizumi. "The extreme attention provided Okinawa, with its deep historical connection to China, was conspicuous in its contrast. To look at it the other way around, it was an intense dig at the GOJ," commented the Shimpo. ¶21. (SBU) Chinese Ambassador to Japan Ki Ou (phonetic from Japanese pronunciation) visited Okinawa April 24, on a trip sponsored by the OPG, Okinawa Economic Association, and Okinawa Visitors and Convention Bureau. Ou masterfully played to Okinawans' sense of exceptionalism and desire for a new golden era of lucrative Sino-Okinawan relations. Ou cited the historical and cultural links between China and the Ryukyus and said he immediately felt comfortable on this first visit to Okinawa. Over the past 25 years China's economic expansion had far outpaced its military expansion, Ou claimed, and its defense capabilities were reasonable for a country of China's area and population. China alone, of the five original nuclear powers, had offered to eliminate all nuclear weapons if the others would only agree to do the same. Okinawa and China should again travel together the path of peaceful development, Ou stressed, and tens of thousands of Chinese tourists annually were sure to

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Or maybe we pack up and leave Asia and play a game called "See how quick Asia felt to China"? Shall we?

Okinawans have a bad history with America. Cannot exactly blame them.

A Ryukyuan History Primer ----------------------------------------


¶10. (U) By entering into close trading relationships with both China and Japan in the 14th and 15th centuries, the Ryukyu Kingdom enjoyed a lengthy period of prosperity in the years before 1609. As George Kerr notes in his book Okinawa: The History of an Island People, "the islands were independent. They were in constant communication and at peace with neighboring states. Okinawans were in the happy position of freedom to adopt what they wanted, and to remain indifferent - or at best mildly curious - about foreign artifacts and institutions for which they felt no pressing need. China loomed as the neighbor of unquestioned superiority, and Okinawans were in close and constant communication with Japan, but were overwhelmed by neither." Many Okinawans today regard this period as the Golden Age of their history, and view it as a basis for their belief that China sees Okinawa a place entirely separate from Japan. NAHA 00000103 004.2 OF 008

¶11. (U) The Golden Age ended in 1609, when the southernmost clan in mainland Japan (the Satsumas of southern Kyushu) sent an army to assert control over Okinawa and extracted increasingly burdensome tributes. The Satsumas then took over the lucrative trade with China through Okinawa, continuing it despite the Tokugawa Shogunate's closed country (sakoku) policy.

¶12. (U) After Commodore Perry and his black ships helped trigger the Meiji Restoration, Japan began vigorously securing and expanding its borders. In 1872 Japan formally abolished the Ryukyu Kingdom and annexed Okinawa, over Chinese protests. Okinawa pleaded with China and the United States to intervene. Four-party discussions dragged on for decades until the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95, which settled the issue in Japan's favor as far as the western powers were concerned.

¶13. (U) Japan instituted a top-down assimilation program for Okinawa that gained momentum when met by a bottom-up assimilation movement following Japan's success in the Sino-Japanese War. Practical-minded Okinawans became convinced they would benefit from closer identification with Japan. Early editorials of the Ryukyu Shimpo, dating as far back as 1893, asserted that Okinawa could develop only by fully assimilating with Japan.

¶14. (U) Over the following 50 years, many Okinawans saw military service, including during the battle for Okinawa, as a chance to prove they were true Japanese. However, the battle, which killed perhaps a third of the Okinawan population, came as a shock to most of the survivors, who experienced or heard stories of atrocities against Okinawans by Japanese troops. In the years after the war, a home-grown historical interpretation of the battle took solid root in Okinawa, which holds that Tokyo had always intended to sacrifice Okinawa in a battle designed to consume as many U.S. forces as possible, to stall and weaken an eventual attack on the mainland.

¶15. (U) The United States directly governed Okinawa through a military high commissioner from 1945 to 1972, 20 years longer than the rest of Japan. During this period, U.S. forces forcibly seized land for bases. By the early 1960s, a movement advocating reversion to Japan began among Okinawans, leading to large-scale demonstrations against the U.S. administration in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Okinawa reverted to Japan May 15, 1972.

¶16. (SBU) The reunion was a victory for all Okinawans (though many were dismayed at the remaining numbers of U.S. facilities and forces), and anti-U.S. protests were dramatically reduced following reversion. With reversion, the GOJ sharply increased infrastructure development, and the general standard of living NAHA 00000103 005.2 OF 008 greatly improved. However, in the years since 1972, many Okinawans have called for lessening the island's economic dependence on GOJ transfer payments. Okinawa remains the poorest prefecture in Japan, with the highest unemployment rate in Japan, and many argue that Okinawa needs to become more economically independent.

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I think that is what US think , China has no Intention nor Power to attack countries and hold like US did ..
you are forcefully putting US in Equation , and Wars just make the world much worse , look at Syria , Iraq and Afghanistan .. US achieved nothing instead of dead Soldiers and Millions dead Muslims ...
The thing is that US has so much Fcuked up this world with their Failed Policies , than this Argument from US does not seems Valid that we are there to stop East and South Asian Destroy each other with war ..
you should have known that your Country is been always involved in waging wars through Proxies ..

Well, no. I did not forcefully put US into the equation.

Because if you said that, you actually saying US does not have any stake and does not belong in Asia, but that is simply not true, the US have quite a lot of interest in Asia itself, long before China or even japan come into power. US govern Guam, Saipan and the Mariana Island since before 1900s, and the Hawaii is always the transpacific gateway. Those are the US interest right there, even before all the power play and talk begin.

At any given point in the last centuries (1900-2000) almost every country in Asia were at war with other country in Asia, Iran and Iraq in the 1980, Cambodia and Vietnam in the 1970, Thailand and Vietnam in the 1970, China and Taiwan in the 1950, Russia and China in the 1969, China and Vietnam in 1979, North Vietnam and South Vietnam in 1970, North Korea and South Korea in 1950s and finally not to mention Japan conquer half of Asia in WW2 and the Indian and Pakistan situation.

And when you look at the above conflict, how many were started by the US? US were a part of many of those conflict but in the end, beside Vietnam war, all other war were started by either party vanguarding their own interest. Now you tell me what the US role in these war??

US did NOT achieve nothing in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. It shows to other people US were not to be messed with, that's the purpose of war actually, War only serve two purpose throughout history, either because of financial gain or projection of power. And the case in Syria, Afghanistan is at the latter case.

Contrary to what you said, US did not make trouble nor do they want to conquer Asia, US is sitting pretty on the triparted power sharing in Asia, US have no problem with it, but it's the Chinese and Russian that think otherwise, and if you wanted proof, just look at what you just wrote.

My question was based on a American Diplomatic cable from wikileaks



Cable reference id: #06NAHA103



Okinawans have a bad history with America. Cannot exactly blame them.



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Well, there are no such thing as Okinawans, they are Japanese, what you are thinking is Ryukuans
 
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Well, there are no such thing as Okinawans, they are Japanese, what you are thinking is Ryukuans



Precisely. No one in Japan identifies themselves as "Hokkaido Person" , "Kyoto Person", "Okinawa Person", "Kanagawa Person" et cetera....

From the northern fringes of Hokkaido to the tropical isles of Osagawara Islands in the south....we are NIHONJIN. Japanese.
 
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