Malicious campaign against Pakistan Army

[Meengla]

Well I dont know more about that .But it is up to you and your nation.This is an internal matter of Pakistan .
I am just mentioning about the belief of a normal nation state.

Our path to becoming a more 'normal nation' is being interrupted by the thuggery on the streets. It is an open forum and you are entitled to your views. Some of the best comments about these marches of thuggery have been posted by Indians. Although, I am going to guess that the situation suits India just fine

 

[SBD-3]

Naliaq Leage did bharti of 20,000 of its workers/supporters in Punjab police , these PML-N workers were seen shaking hands with Mr Bean Ch Nisar when he came out the day these PML-N workers attacked the protesters , Islamabad Police people did not act in the same way , so don't try to act innocent , many among the police are PML-N workers whom the Naliaq League have given employment in the police force , they are no different than gullu butt

Nawaz Sharif is not a legitimate Prime Minister , he will have to bite the bullet sooner or later and either will go willingly or the will of the people will force him to leave.

https://twitter.com/x/status/507184960852074497

 

[SrNair]

Our path to becoming a more 'normal nation' is being interrupted by the thuggery on the streets. It is an open forum and you are entitled to your views. Some of the best comments about these marches of thuggery have been posted by Indians. Although, I am going to guess that the situation suits India just fine

Sorry friend .We also like a normal and stable democratic Pakistan in our neighbourhood.
According to the international news and articles NZ increasing popularity dont go well with some in military circles and intel agency.AFAIk IK and his few thousands followers ,I guess around 25000, is embarrrassing rest of crores of voters that elected NZ as PM.Even if PA show a soft corner to marchers we cant generalize entire Army .Bad deeds of some officers ,cause such an action but rest of soldiers are just following orders.

 

[pakdefender]

Military itself is a corrupt institution. They don't care about politicians indulging in corruption. Military has problems with Nawaz due to Musharaf, MFN to India, WoT policy and other foreign policy and strategic issues.

No one can be more corrupt than Zardari but the military was never perturbed over these scandals. They were up in arms over Kerry-Lugar Bill and Hussain Haqqani issue (Memo Gate).

They want to assert control over some issues. Corruption has never been a problem for them.

Those who want lick india's butt can go to india and become indian , Modi already belittled Nawaz Sharif but still he is willing to get further humiliated just because of his grudge against the Army , same was true ( and is still true ) for anti army morons who could not and can not see past the 'establishmiiiiiiiint' , no matter the harm that it may bring to the country

 

[SBD-3]

You can only control a fire in a jungle by catching its spark before it touches the ground. But once on the ground it spreads on its own will and all you can do is a fire-fight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/507187357552869376

 

[Ahmad1996]

what murder case? corruption yes, but this is no way to do this, the model town killing were a retaliation, as the police was allegedly fired upon, so lets wait and see as the investigations progress, it has already shown that 3 of them were shot from above and behind their heads


even in the most civilized countries, if you cross a certain line, live bullets will be used, and the Army did wrong, they should have arrested those attacking the PTV building as the had attacked a state building


model town was retaliatory, but i dont know much about the SC incident, if they did that, then it is wrong

Let's not compare civilized countries with ours cuz then you will also need to mention social justice, equality, etc. As for live bullets they were fired for no reason, this country isn't a single man's country, it belongs to all of us. I feel really pity for you as you regard state buildings more sacred than human life.

 

[Meengla]

[quote="sreekumar, post: 6135976, member: 150861".Even if PA show a soft corner to marchers we cant generalize entire Army .Bad deeds of some officers ,cause such an action but rest of soldiers are just following orders.[/quote]

At least I have not attacked the army or even ISI in a vicious way; I know the democratic sapling in Pakistan is fragile and that there needs to be a gradual weaning away of the influence of Army--something NS should realize. I am holding the position, per the Dawn editorial, that by refusing to allow use of 'further force' even if the thugs attack sensitive buildings Army is at least conniving in the thuggery. And I have come to this position after days of disagreement with @Syed.Ali.Haider who is more candid about the role of Army in the marchers. It's all in this forum.

 

[VCheng]

At least I have not attacked the army or even ISI in a vicious way; I know the democratic sapling in Pakistan is fragile and that there needs to be a gradual weaning away of the influence of Army--something NS should realize. I am holding the position, per the Dawn editorial, that by refusing to allow use of 'further force' even if the thugs attack sensitive buildings Army is at least conniving in the thuggery. And I have come to this position after days of disagreement with @Syed.Ali.Haider who is more candid about the role of Army in the marchers. It's all in this forum.

The truth always wins out. Some take longer to appreciate this fact, some don't, that is all.

 

[SBD-3]

One more update, the announcement from PTI is made by Shah Mehmood Qureshi.....
I told you guys if PTI would have had a PM, it would have been SMQ, not Imran Khan (couldn't find my original post about SMQ being the spearhead)
Link

https://twitter.com/x/status/507188984775069696

 

[Jf Thunder]

Let's not compare civilized countries with ours cuz then you will also need to mention social justice, equality, etc. As for live bullets they were fired for no reason, this country isn't a single man's country, it belongs to all of us. I feel really pity for you as you regard state buildings more sacred than human life.

yes, the state is way important than human life, and so are the state buildings, dont look at them as just normal buildings, they are the symbols of the state, a civilan of Pakistan also has to follow certain rules, and harming a state building is the last of it, it symbolizes a rebellion against the state in which case, Islam gives the Punishment as death and so does the Constitution Of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. if you agree with me or not, i couldnt care less, i gave my argument, and no matter how many i give, you are not gonna change your POV, and neither am I.
so in short state>life

 

[Meengla]

The truth always wins out. Some take longer to appreciate this fact, some don't, that is all.

And you recall why I was hesitant to believe the role of Army: They wouldn't be that stupid to support a small mob in face of so much nation-wide opposition not only in the Parliament but also in judiciary, lawyers communities, media, civil society, and indeed the people at large. IF there is a coup now it will be the most opposed coup in Pakistan's entire history and will lead to massive protests and unrest, on top of having zero legitimacy given by the courts.

 

[VCheng]

And you recall why I was hesitant to believe the role of Army: They wouldn't be that stupid to support a small mob in face of so much nation-wide opposition not only in the Parliament but also in judiciary, lawyers communities, media, civil society, and indeed the people at large. IF there is a coup now it will be the most opposed coup in Pakistan's entire history and will lead to massive protests and unrest, on top of having zero legitimacy given by the courts.

As if have zero legitimacy has ever stopped the Army from doing whatever it wants to do ever before.

 

[SBD-3]

But given all, lets hope that army will continue to discharge its duties to protect the geographical boundries of Pakistan with utmost professionalism. I don't blame the institution as such situations arise because of the absence of "No Sir" attitude. Every single professional who has spoken against the policies or the individuals, have only done so after retiring. Which I think undermines the credibility and creates a moral vacuum around the whistle blower -Technically its not even whistle blowing but rather beating the track". It would be good if the military separates persons from the institution. Because we have seen though history is that persons have taken the institution hostage, an utmost abuse of power. This should be discouraged and the image of institution should be prime and most important than the personalities.

 

[Waffen SS]

The military has only itself to be blamed. They have been caught red handed conspiring against the government. After what Javed Hashmi has exposed, the military cannot expect to be respected and praised in the parliament. For obvious reasons, the government and other political parties will rebuke the military.

Respect and honor is not demanded but earned. GHQ and Aabpara have failed to earn respect.

 

[Kompromat]

@Jf Thunder

Please forward me the contact details of the vendor from which you have been buying up all of that ''logic'.