Majority Pakistanis want legislation to be influenced by Islam, survey reveals

[Norwegian]

Iqbal was never an Ahmedi lies if liberals and Ahmefis are not going to change anything. It only exposes Qadyanis lies and distortions they are famous for

Read the Munir Commission report after anti Qadiani riots of 1953

You are posting lies Sir. Iqbal was never a Qadyani neither he visited Qadiyan only thing he did was appreciated Qadyanis for being well organized but if you want to keep posting blatant lies about Iqbal go ahead but your lies only exposes you Sir and not a single damage is done to Iqbal.

He also supported Qadiani Khalifa for Kashmir committee. My bad

 

[Zarvan]

Read the Munir Commission report after anti Qadiani riots of 1953

I have read that also. Iqbal was never a Qadyani he appreciated Qadyanis on being well organized in their set up but never became Qadyani. Iqbal was very clear on Khatme Nabuwat. I know liberal and Qadyani lies to try to give legitimacy to Qadyanis but it won't work.

Read the Munir Commission report after anti Qadiani riots of 1953


He also supported Qadiani Khalifa for Kashmir committee. My bad

That still doesn't make him a Qadyani he even supported Hindu leaders many times that doesn't make him a Hindu also.

 

[That Guy]

I think my statement (All of them with different sub set enacted to honor the minor differential views of different schools of thought.) explains everything, allow me to give an example so that you sir might understand better.

In Shi'ism (not completely sure if this is true or not) the charity tax of Zakat is optional not compulsory where as in Sunni Islam it is, so a subset can be enacted to honor the views of both sides and so on and so on.

So we start making special laws for specific sects? What a great idea. Why don't we start splitting Pakistani territory along religious lines as well?

Your comment explains nothing.

 

[Norwegian]

I have read that also. Iqbal was never a Qadyani he appreciated Qadyanis on being well organized in their set up but never became Qadyani. Iqbal was very clear on Khatme Nabuwat. I know liberal and Qadyani lies to try to give legitimacy to Qadyanis but it won't work.

Ok keep believing what you want. He is dead and not coming back anyway to defend himself

So we start making special laws for specific sects? What a great idea. Why don't we start splitting Pakistani territory along religious lines as well?

Your comment explains nothing.

I want Qadiani city to be like Vatican State is in Italy

 

[Zarvan]

Ok keep believing what you want. He is dead and not coming back anyway to defend himself

I just telling you what Iqbal believed you need to stop falling for lies of a sect trying to get legitimacy which they won't

 

[Norwegian]

I just telling you what Iqbal believed you need to stop falling for lies of a sect trying to get legitimacy which they won't

Qadianis are legitimate just like Isis and taliban are and other Muslims are legitimate. Declaring them kafirs through Parliament won't change a thing.

 

[Zarvan]

Qadianis are legitimate just like Isis and taliban are and other Muslims are legitimate. Declaring them kafirs through Parliament won't change a thing.

They are not Muslims. Even if every Parliament declares them Muslim even that won't make them a Muslim

 

[Norwegian]

They are not Muslims. Even if every Parliament declares them Muslim even that won't make them a Muslim

Ok I will ask God about that in afterlife. Until then it doesn't bother me if they are Muslims. I will ask God if he sees Taliban / Isis better Muslims than Qadianis

 

[Freyja]

You've missed something completely !

In Pakistan - I am the Law, I am the State, I am Pakistan !

Oh good, that'll make the invas... good will visit go more swimmingly. You'll never be able to resist a horde or blonde Norwegian ladies bearing apple pie, now will you?

You've played some strategy games too haven't you ?

Yes! Lots and lot of strategy! We're going to dominate at, um, India? Is that right?

What's strategy?

 

[Armstrong]

Oh good, that'll make the invas... good will visit go more swimmingly. You'll never be able to resist a horde or blonde Norwegian ladies bearing apple pie, now will you?

Apple pies !

Yes! Lots and lot of strategy! We're going to dominate at, um, India? Is that right?

What's strategy?

Yeah we're gonna dominate India....deal with it Indians !

 

[Soulspeek]

I am afraid you are searching for your roots in the dry Sands of Arabia instead of fertile lands of subcontinent!

Following Muhammad PBUH is one thing and blindly worshipping racist Arabs and their culture is another.

it's good, hell it's better to stick to your roots. otherwie your people will become white worshipers and cheerleaders just like Indians.

we are wannabe westerners/whites. save your culture you still have time.

 

[Psychic]

@Musafir117 reinventing Jinnah and Iqbal:

Islamists are not re-inventing Jinnah, secularists are.

Take a look at the following quotes of Jinnah and decide for yourself.

"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but Muslim ideology, which has to be preserved which came to us as a precious gift and treasure and which we hope, other will share with us."

"We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles."

"Hindus and Muslims through living in the same town and villages had never been blended into one nation. They were always two separate entities."

"No doubt there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Some of our non-Muslim friends who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in all aspects, social, political economic, etc. It is based on highest principles of honour, integrity, fairplay and justice for all."

"I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life (inauguration ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan) "

There are many more but your type is unable to move ahead of the cherry picked portion of Jinnah's speech of 11 Aug 1947.

And what exactly is democracy in Pakistan? A man dies, his daughter takes over, she dies, her husband takes over who is now preparing his son to rule the slaves. Same thing in Punjab, 18 people from a single family in power, is it a democracy or a democrazy where rich baboons will rule us no matter what. It is a circus and we desperately need an alternative system to bring the matters on track. What is seemingly good for West is not good for us, we are different and we need a different system...Kawa chala hans ki chal.........Spend millions on election and then make profit over that once you are in power, what a joke.

 

[Norwegian]

Islamists are not re-inventing Jinnah, secularists are.

Take a look at the following quotes of Jinnah and decide for yourself.

"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but Muslim ideology, which has to be preserved which came to us as a precious gift and treasure and which we hope, other will share with us."

"We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles."

"Hindus and Muslims through living in the same town and villages had never been blended into one nation. They were always two separate entities."

"No doubt there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Some of our non-Muslim friends who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in all aspects, social, political economic, etc. It is based on highest principles of honour, integrity, fairplay and justice for all."

"I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life (inauguration ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan) "

There are many more but your type is unable to move ahead of the cherry picked portion of Jinnah's speech of 11 Aug 1947.

And what exactly is democracy in Pakistan? A man dies, his daughter takes over, she dies, her husband takes over who is now preparing his son to rule the slaves. Same thing in Punjab, 18 people from a single family in power, is it a democracy or a democrazy where rich baboons will rule us no matter what. It is a circus and we desperately need an alternative system to bring the matters on track. What is seemingly good for West is not good for us, we are different and we need a different system...Kawa chala hans ki chal.........Spend millions on election and then make profit over that once you are in power, what a joke.

The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims—Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.

Broadcast talk to the people of the United States on Pakistan recorded February, 1948

 

[Psychic]

Broadcast talk to the people of the United States on Pakistan recorded February, 1948

My mistake.

 

[Norwegian]

Islamists are not re-inventing Jinnah, secularists are.

Take a look at the following quotes of Jinnah and decide for yourself.

"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but Muslim ideology, which has to be preserved which came to us as a precious gift and treasure and which we hope, other will share with us."

"We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles."

"Hindus and Muslims through living in the same town and villages had never been blended into one nation. They were always two separate entities."

"No doubt there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Some of our non-Muslim friends who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in all aspects, social, political economic, etc. It is based on highest principles of honour, integrity, fairplay and justice for all."

"I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life (inauguration ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan) "

There are many more but your type is unable to move ahead of the cherry picked portion of Jinnah's speech of 11 Aug 1947.

And what exactly is democracy in Pakistan? A man dies, his daughter takes over, she dies, her husband takes over who is now preparing his son to rule the slaves. Same thing in Punjab, 18 people from a single family in power, is it a democracy or a democrazy where rich baboons will rule us no matter what. It is a circus and we desperately need an alternative system to bring the matters on track. What is seemingly good for West is not good for us, we are different and we need a different system...Kawa chala hans ki chal.........Spend millions on election and then make profit over that once you are in power, what a joke.

There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make.

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hinducommunity and the Muslimcommunity, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shia's, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some states in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.

Jinnah, August 11, 1947 –chairing the constituent assembly