Mahmoud Abbas embraces a mass murderer, no one cares

[Centrist]

The topic is about leaders of PA and Sudan in conjunction with Israel, to which Pakistanis are responding. How the hell did India and modi come into picture here??

 

[Solomon2]

The topic is about leaders of PA and Sudan in conjunction with Israel, to which Pakistanis are responding. How the hell did India and modi come into picture here??

They're trying to equivocate Modi with Bashir, and from there to claim Modi is worse and therefore the sins of Bashir and Abbas shouldn't be worthy of notice. Very very common denial technique at PDF and perhaps among Pakistanis in general (though none I've met here in the States.)

 

[Pakistani E]

Netanyahu condones the King David hotel bombing, shows you guys are not much different from your foes then are you? Why don't you get off your high horse, what moral high ground do you claim?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

They're trying to equivocate Modi with Bashir, and from there to claim Modi is worse and therefore the sins of Bashir and Abbas shouldn't be worthy of notice. Very very common denial technique at PDF and perhaps among Pakistanis in general (though none I've met here in the States.)

says the zionist who denies israeli war crimes among other things that dont suite his interests? rich.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

They're trying to equivocate Modi with Bashir, and from there to claim Modi is worse and therefore the sins of Bashir and Abbas shouldn't be worthy of notice. Very very common denial technique at PDF and perhaps among Pakistanis in general (though none I've met here in the States.)

I have met a few Americans (US) who can't find the "states" in a map.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I have met a few Americans (US) who can't find the "states" in a map.

he aint american... hes an israeli pretending to be an american... 2 faced bigot.

 

[Solomon2]

Netanyahu condones the King David hotel bombing, shows you guys are not much different from your foes then are you?

First, let's note that you had to go back seventy years to find an act of Zionist terrorism, whereas in Pakistan you have one - what - every few hours? Second, Netanyahu noted that the King David hotel was a legitimate military target since it housed the British and administrative hq and that was the wing that was bombed. (Note, too, that the deaths were unnecessary - the bombers couldn't convince the hotel management to evacuate, they went looking for the bombs instead.)

Why don't you get off your high horse, what moral high ground do you claim?

Lots. On almost every ground you can name. The problem is that Israel-hatred, or Zionophobia, is part of Pakistan's official religion so reality has to be distorted to fit - a round peg in a square hole, so to speak. Pakistani leaders and diplomats recognize this but shy from challenging it - even post-1971 Bangladeshis feared to do so - unnecessarily, I think.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

First, let's note that you had to go back seventy years to find an act of Zionist terrorism, whereas in Pakistan you have one - what - every few hours? Second, Netanyahu noted that the King David hotel was a legitimate military target since it housed the British and administrative hq and that was the wing that was bombed. (Note, too, that the deaths were unnecessary - the bombers couldn't convince the hotel management to evacuate, they went looking for the bombs instead.)

Lots. On almost every ground you can name. The problem is that Israel-hatred, or Zionophobia, is part of Pakistan's official religion so reality has to be distorted to fit - a round peg in a square hole, so to speak. Pakistani leaders and diplomats recognize this but shy from challenging it - even post-1971 Bangladeshis feared to do so - unnecessarily, I think.

hahaha.. for fuk sakes dont divert the topic........ its about israel not Pakistan... maybe your Pak "diplomat" neighbours didnt teach you somethin when they visited your house to seek council on their national affairs?


here... read this piece again:

View from abroad: Palestine — blaming the victim




Imagine a man being held by a big bruiser while his smaller sidekick beats the helpless victim. And if he complains of his treatment and threatens to go to the police, he is told that he will be beaten even harder if he does so.

This is what the Palestinians are going through: after decades of oppression, when they finally applied to the UN Security Council to set a reasonable deadline to end the Israeli occupation of their land, they were warned by Israel’s patron, the United States, not to take this step. And when the Palestinian Authority went ahead, Washington used all its diplomatic muscle to force SC members to oppose the move, or to abstain. In the final tally, the PA failed by a single vote.

After this setback, the PA has applied to join the International Criminal Court as well as a number of other international organisations. This move has also angered the Obama administration and the Netanyahu government. They fear that the Palestinians will lodge a complaint against Israel for violating the International Court of Justice ruling about the illegal nature of settlements on the occupied West Bank. Also, the killing of over two thousand civilians in Gaza in the recent Israeli assault will also probably be the subject of a complaint.

And while the ICC’s rulings will be ignored by Israel, international arrest warrants could be problematic for individual officials and politicians when they travel abroad. Already, Israel is facing increasing isolation for its policies towards the Palestinians. A number of European countries have voted to recognise the state of Palestine; and while these parliamentary votes have been mostly non-binding, they have heightened Israel’s siege mentality. The most recent setback to Israel’s foreign policy was the EU’s decision to remove Hamas from its list of terrorist organisations.

Had not a long succession of Israeli governments been given open-ended American support in the form of cash, arms and unwavering diplomatic support, it is entirely possible that Israel would have made compromises and achieved a real ‘land-for-peace’ deal with the Palestinians. However, the American blank cheque has made it possible for Tel Aviv to adopt an increasingly belligerent posture, and continue its repression and its illegal construction.

Even open-minded Israelis complain about Netanyahu and the right-wing being strengthened by unquestioning American support for the country’s intransigence. In fact, Netanyahu probably has greater support among American Jews and extremist Christians than he does among Israelis. And the fractured nature of Israel’s politics means that small parliamentary parties on the extreme right often call the shots, pushing the government further and further to the right.

Meanwhile, Mahmood Abbas is stuck in a quandary. After investing much of his dwindling political capital in talks that lead nowhere while giving cover to Israel to continue building settlements in the West Bank, he has finally concluded that the Americans are not going to apply pressure on Tel Aviv to make the necessary compromises. Ultimately, Israel wants both peace and territory. For years now, Israeli politicians have proved themselves adept at urging the Palestinians to stay engaged in the so-called peace process to placate international opinion, while continuing to gobble up occupied land.

There are now over half a million settlers in the West Bank, and they aren’t going anywhere. Even with notional land swaps, the reality is that the idea of a viable Palestinian state is now dead in the water. More realists on both sides are now talking about a single state that includes Jews, Muslims and Christians. But already, Arab Israelis are treated as second-class citizens; to think that suddenly Israelis will become more benign is to close one’s eyes to the daily humiliations Palestinians experience every day of their lives.

Also, such a solution poses a threat to the Jewish nature of Israel because not before very long, Palestinians will outnumber Jews. Clearly, such an outcome is unacceptable to most Israelis. Also, the international community views a Palestinian underclass ruled by Israelis as being akin to the kind of apartheid once practised in South Africa.

This, then, is Israel’s conundrum: how to hang on to the West Bank while still giving the impression of being interested in a peace deal that would see the emergence of a Palestinian state. So far, Netanyahu and his predecessors have kept moving the goal posts while building more and more settlements, thus making it impossible for the Palestinians to agree. They then complain that the PA is being unreasonable. By now, of course, there are so many exclusively Israeli roads connecting the settlements that the West Bank is now a collection of isolated areas and towns where movement is tightly controlled.

And while Israel enjoys solid support from the United States and other Western states, the Palestinians are not as fortunate with Muslim countries that pay lip-service to the cause, but do little in terms of actual help. Egypt under General Sisi has been positively hostile, helping Israel seal the tunnels that provided Gaza with a lifeline to the outside world. Other Arab states that had made generous promises of help in the reconstruction of a devastated Gaza have failed to actually hand over the cash. Countries like Nigeria, a temporary member of the Security Council, abstained in the UN vote after promising support.

Thus, Palestine’s tragic history has been full of betrayals and back-stabbings. Now, the US has threatened to cut off the $400 million in annual assistance it was providing to the PA if it goes ahead with its threat to seek justice at the ICC. Netanyahu, too, is threatening reprisals. Meanwhile, the Palestinians, friendless and weak, resist the occupation as best they can. They would help their cause a great deal if they could put their internal differences aside and present a common front to their foe.

Published in Dawn, January 6th, 2015

 

[Serpentine]

Obama embraces a mass murderer, no one cares.

John Vorster, prime minister of Apartheid regime of South Africa talks to Israeli PM, Yitzhak Rabin and also Menachem Begin and Moshe Dayan.

An interesting read on alliance between Israel and Apartheid state of South Africa.

Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria | World news | The Guardian

 

[Pakistani E]

First, let's note that you had to go back seventy years to find an act of Zionist terrorism, whereas in Pakistan you have one - what - every few hours? Second, Netanyahu noted that the King David hotel was a legitimate military target since it housed the British and administrative hq and that was the wing that was bombed. (Note, too, that the deaths were unnecessary - the bombers couldn't convince the hotel management to evacuate, they went looking for the bombs instead.)

Lots. On almost every ground you can name. The problem is that Israel-hatred, or Zionophobia, is part of Pakistan's official religion so reality has to be distorted to fit - a round peg in a square hole, so to speak. Pakistani leaders and diplomats recognize this but shy from challenging it - even post-1971 Bangladeshis feared to do so - unnecessarily, I think.

Off topic. So you agree that Netanyahu condones terrorism when it suits him. And you are also accepting you condone it when it suits you. Fine, at least have the moral integrity to accept it.

 

[FCPX]

From the post subject I thought Mahmoud Abbas was caught embracing Nethenyahoo LoL.

 

[Archdemon]

@Solomon2

What are you smoking?

Dont bother to understand, you lack mental faculties.

 

[Solomon2]

Off topic. So you agree that Netanyahu condones terrorism when it suits him. And you are also accepting you condone it when it suits you. Fine, at least have the moral integrity to accept it.

Yet you lack the moral integrity to acknowledge a world of shades of gray, correct? All Arabs killed by Israelis are considered, "murdered", not justifiable self-defense, all Jewish babies who have their heads smashed or throats slit by Arabs it's the Jews fault, and military targets bombed where the installation inhabitants were warned ahead of time are just as much "terrorism" as gunmen invading a school in a surprise attack to shoot students and immolate teachers.

 

[Pakistani E]

Yet you lack the moral integrity to acknowledge a world of shades of gray, correct? All Arabs killed by Israelis are considered, "murdered", not justifiable self-defense, all Jewish babies who have their heads smashed or throats slit by Arabs it's the Jews fault, and military targets bombed where the installation inhabitants were warned ahead of time are just as much "terrorism" as gunmen invading a school in a surprise attack to shoot students and immolate teachers.

Where did I excuse the murder of Jewish babies? Show me where? I have never condoned terrorism, even if Muslims have committed it. But you on the hand accept that you condone terrorism when it suits your needs. And stop diverting the topic away from Israel. Can't you defend Israel without going off topic?

 

[Solomon2]

Where did I excuse the murder of Jewish babies? Show me where? I have never condoned terrorism, even if Muslims have committed it. But you on the hand accept that you condone terrorism when it suits your needs. And stop diverting the topic away from Israel. Can't you defend Israel without going off topic?

Sure I can and did but the topic is Abbas and Omar, not Israel. Even if you consider the King David attack terrorism - and it does not meet the U.S. government definition of such - it's still something that happened decades ago whereas terrorism committed by Muslims is an everyday living, breathing, thing that you attempt to divert attention from.