Lone Indian IDF soldier sees his family after 3 years

[Saif al-Arab]

"your absurd fairytale stories. I stick to history and actual evidence (DNA)." - I'm not telling stories I report the truth, In the meantime, you deny history and science

"migrated to India from Southern Levant for some unknown and highly inexplicable reason" - If his ancestors migrated thousands of years ago the reason is Assyria/Babylon/Rome

"That's probably his invented story." - His last name is talker, meaning that he is one of the Jews of the Babylonian exile,That some merchants from this community had emigrated to India
+Even if he was just an Indian who converted, he is still a Jew and does not need any stories


"No, so-called Mizrahi Jews (another recent invention used for mostly Arab Jews)" - Again, you brought the term of one woman who suggested it, which you think is why these Jews are Arabs, they are not Arabs like I am not Caucasian or Turk.
An Arab is one ethnicity, a Jew is another

"number 2/3's of the Israeli Jewish population." - No dude, they're not, it's around 40%
There are 6.4 million Jews in Israel (according to Jewish law), which means that 2/3 of them are just over 4 million.
Of all the this Jews, only a million immigrated to Israel over the years.

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Another lie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Your own government data is the source:

http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf " - 20% Arabs, But 14% identify as Palestinians

"Sure. DNA has proven that Arab Jews are not different genetically from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Whether they are Yemeni Jews or Moroccan Jews. We are not going to allow you to claim them as your own when you have created a 70 year old version of the United States of America in the middle of the Arab world. You can scream all you want to. "
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Once again, the DNA has proved that all Jews have a connection to each other. You try to take control of the Jews and to arabize them (of course you can't and you will not succeed) because you are an Arab imperialist.
But I'm fucking Jew, I know my people, go tell this stories to your fellow arabs.
We didn't invent a nation 70 years ago, we have been a nation for more than 3000 years.
You can deny, you can ignore, but it will not change reality.

"Just like we won't be silent when you claim Arab cuisine, music, art etc. to be Israeli or Jewish."
You just said that most Israelis are Arabs, but they must not claim that the Arab cuisine belongs to them
There is no original Israeli cuisine, 70 years is not enough time to develop a local cuisine
Therefore, the cuisine in Israel is a universal cuisine.
It's true that some say that falafel, for example, is Israeli, I don't like and agree with it.


Okay al-Andalus

Yes, you are. I just proved it.

The chance of that person having any remote (which it would be in every case) Hebrew/Israelite/Semitic ancestry is as likely as all the 20 million or so Muslim South Asians who claim to be Sayyids (descendants of Prophet Muhammad (saws). Sure some of them are (most likely a minority) but far from the majority.

Do you even know how surnames work? Historically only people that valued genetics and ancestry highly and put a lot of focus on it (such as Arabs and to a lesser degree Mongols) have long and well-established linages. Let alone surnames. For instance in the Muslim world alone most people in countries like Turkey and Iran (alone) first adopted surnames in the past 100 years. In the case of Turkey a law some 83 years ago Turkified their surnames to make matters even more difficult.

In Iran surnames were introduced in 1919.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_name#Surnames

Turkish surname law in 1934:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname_Law

The Mongol tribes of Genghis Khan's time had a very good knowledge of their genealogy, second only to the Arabs according to Rashid Al-Din Hamadani.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid-al-Din_Hamadani
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I know how it works in Israel. If your claim that you great-great-grandmother was a Jew (even if there is little prof to establish this - you can always use the Holocaust as an excuse for lack of documents) you will be able to settle in Israel. A lot of Eastern Europeans have used this to settle in Israel and escape poverty in the former USSR and Eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Let me try again. It has been proven time and time again (since the firs time such genetic tests were conducted) that Jews from the Arab world (Jewish Arabs) whether from Yemen or Morocco have no genetic difference from their Muslim, Christian and Atheist brethren. Nor do they look differently. Do you understand it now? Or shall I repeat myself 10 times more?

That Jews are all related is no sign of anything as all humans are related. You are not going to convince any knowledgeable let alone sane people of some Yemeni Jew having close genetic ties to an Latvian Jew or an Indian Jew having close genetic ties to an Ethiopian Jew. Yet in your universe they are all Jews and in the universe of the Israeli state.

Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are recently invented terms by Israel. That's a fact. Jews from Yemen considered themselves as YEMENIS. Sons and daughters of the land. So did Iraqi Jews and all others.

Yes, there was at one point in time a ancient Israeli kingdom however it would not surprise me the least if modern-day Arabs, as they are more Semitic than modern-day Jews, would have a closer genetic connection. Just like King Herod the Great (an ancient Israeli king) would have a closer genetic connection to a ordinary Hijazi next door seeing that his mother was an Nabatean (Arab) princes and his father a Edomite (Semitic people) from what is today Jordan (Arabia) and the Negev Desert (homeland of the so-called "Israeli" Bedouins!).

It is generally accepted that Herod was born around 73 BCE in Idumea, south of Judea.[10][not in citation given]. However, some authors think that he was born in about 72/71 BCE.[11] He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[12][13][14][15][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

I am talking about Ashkenazi and non-Arab Jews (Jews not originally from Arab lands) and non-Israeli Arabs (another name for Palestinians who stayed in modern-day Israel - you could not expel all of them after all and thankfully nor will this ever happen) who claim Arab cuisine, art, music etc. as "Jewish" and "Israeli". Also while demonizing Arabs all the time while writing historical lies like you have done in this debate.

We know how your show works. You are working 24/7 to demonize Palestinians and trying to do the same with all Arabs. Your Jewish influenced Hollywood has institutionalized this demonization. Recently a hero of the Arab-American community and a brave man and intellectual died and he used to make life a hell for your fraudsters that tried to demonize an nation this great and home to so many people and this ancient history (the oldest in the world) and great culture. Won't be allowed and we will fight that institutionalized propaganda.

You of course no nothing about India, and would be unwilling to watch because it might have some facts as opposed to your Madrasa education.
India's Jewish community and the Christen community is older then that of Europe. The jews arrived and settled in India 1000 years during King Solomon's time before the birth of Christ and Christianity arrived in 53 years after the birth of Christ.
Watch it from 12.53

LOL. An Indian of all people is lecturing people from the region (Arabs and Semites) about religions that originated in our lands and where first followed by our people. What is next, are you going to teach me Arabic while you are at it?

BTW you are describing tiny communities who indeed have nothing to do with India other than migrating there. BTW most of those following the Syrian rite in Kerala/India are actually local converts.

Anyway the depth of this discussion is not something that you are able to understand.

Let's just accept your position for argument's sake, big whoop asshole. No one cares that you're Jewish, you are just a drop in the ocean of semitic peoples in the region. We never read/hear about the ancient semitic people of the Middle East in any history curriculum in the US, even though they have much more significant history and attachment to the region and 'Holy Land' area. For most Americans they probably think Middle East was inhabited by Jews/Hebrews only and no nothing about Assyrians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Samaritans, Hamites, etc....

Quit behaving like everyone owes you something or you should be given more legitimacy than others.

Good to see you back here brother. Hopefully everything is well. We should not be wasting our times with this lot but sometimes you have to make a comment when you see this degree of nonsense.

 

[Ilay]

Even in your avatar pic you're sitting on the border hiding in your tank calling airstrikes on a home ....

sitting on the border XDDDDD if you'd only knew if you'd only knew.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

sitting on the border XDDDDD if you'd only knew if you'd only knew.

So from where did your 4 grandparents migrate to Israel from? So according to family history (lol) when did your supposed ancestors exactly leave what is today Israel and Palestine? Was it 2500 years ago? BTW, do you know what they were before they were Jews?

Were your family members also called Goldstein, Rothstein and other German-sounding, sorry ancient Semitic Hebrew surnames or did they have to change their surnames into Hebrew ones once they landed in Palestine?



The so-called Israeli "Bedouins" for instance that have lived in the Negev since time immortal are probably much newer arrivals than your likes! They are the foreigners that have usurped the holy and mighty non-existent Davidic Royal Hebrew lineage!

 

[Falcon29]

funny thing is I am barely even trying, all I got to do is share my story with out lying and it gets you mad.
Now go ahead and cry me a river about your poor fakestinians and get your support from SJW snowflakes and Islamic feminists on CNN.

You lied and refused to provide sources for your first bizarre troll attempt, you lied about taking 'precautions', as visual and factual evidence refutes that, even the picture of your deployment refutes your assertions. Let alone running out of munitions while targeting civilian infrastructure that you had to use US emergency depots to resupply. Or that John Kerry called you out on the 'precautions and precision targeting'.

And now you show everyone you're a right wing Jewish American neocon, with this 'Islamic feminist' nonsense that probably lived in Israel a couple years. The US neocon movement has spawned a culture of hate and misinformation to achieve political points. And 'coincidentally' is home to the largest Jewish population around the world.

sitting on the border XDDDDD if you'd only knew if you'd only knew.

If we only knew ...., kid, we knew everything going on minute by minute, quit looking for glory. And I know your secret, you were popping Xannies during your stay at the border. And no one is denying incursion happened, Israel declared war on Palestinians with intent to conduct ground invasion, we are just denying your nonsensical claims.

 

[Ilay]

I like the fact that no matter what I say to you you would still bury your head in the ground and refuse to believe that I fought on Beit Hanoun as part of the 46th battalion of the 401st brigade despite even my tank is show on my profile on the second row of houses facing Israel, but fine whatever. I also like the fact that you and Saif Al-Arab are giving "thanks" rating to each other on every comment as if it makes you smarter but for me it makes you appear even dumber.
PS so now I am American? I am Argentinian -Iraqi by parent hood if you wanted to know.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Was it the Arabs that caused the Holocaust?

Was it the Arabs that committed pogroms all over Europe?

Was it the Arabs that confined Jews to Ghettos from Portugal to Lithuania?

Was it the Arabs that expelled the Jews pre-1948 from various regions of Europe?

Did Arabs treat Jews badly (pre-1948 more Jews lived in the Arab world than elsewhere even more than in Eastern Europe) or did the Jews not do well compared to many others? Yes, that was indeed the case no matter how much certain Zionists try to make a few episodes after WW1 (after the mass-migration to Palestine began) as something systematic.

Did Arabs and Jews not live peacefully throughout vast majority of recorded history, being one of the most close people on all fronts, before 1948? Yes that was indeed the case.

Was it the Arabs that usurped Jewish settlements in Europe and proclaimed an Arab state on that land while expelling local Jews?

Is it the Arabs that are trying actively to deny an Jewish state?

I like the fact that no matter what I say to you you would still bury your head in the ground and refuse to believe that I fought on Beit Hanoun as part of the 46th battalion of the 401st brigade despite even my tank is show on my profile on the second row of houses facing Israel, but fine whatever. I also like the fact that you and Saif Al-Arab are giving "thanks" rating to each other on every comment as if it makes you smarter but for me it makes you appear even dumber.
PS so now I am American? I am Argentinian -Iraqi by parent hood if you wanted to know.

Oh, so you are half Jewish Arab at least. Good to know.

Now where does that Argentinian Jewish come from? It must have come with either the Spanish settlers (Sephardic probably) or with the Arab settlers of Argentina. 10% of all Argentines are Arabs of origin (3.5 million).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Argentines

BTW we are thanking each others posts because we agree with each other as we often do on this topic and this means nothing that an appreciation of a post. You can ignore it. I don't comment on how many likes you get from Israeli users or others.

I like the fact that no matter what I say to you you would still bury your head in the ground and refuse to believe that I fought on Beit Hanoun as part of the 46th battalion of the 401st brigade despite even my tank is show on my profile on the second row of houses facing Israel, but fine whatever. I also like the fact that you and Saif Al-Arab are giving "thanks" rating to each other on every comment as if it makes you smarter but for me it makes you appear even dumber.
PS so now I am American? I am Argentinian -Iraqi by parent hood if you wanted to know.

Now stop occupying Palestinian land illegally and allow a independent and thriving Palestinian state to emerge rather than causing troubles in the region that impacts everything else. This tumor, which quite frankly it has been so far, has done enough of harm.

 

[Falcon29]

I like the fact that no matter what I say to you you would still bury your head in the ground and refuse to believe that I fought on Beit Hanoun as part of the 46th battalion of the 401st brigade despite even my tank is show on my profile on the second row of houses facing Israel, but fine whatever. I also like the fact that you and Saif Al-Arab are giving "thanks" rating to each other on every comment as if it makes you smarter but for me it makes you appear even dumber.
PS so now I am American? I am Argentinian -Iraqi by parent hood if you wanted to know.

You lied in regards to three assertions:

-Hamas men rounded up/surrendered(Lie by your army that backtracked and deleted claims/reports from the net)
-We took tons of precautions(lie not supported by visual/factual evidence and Israeli war doctrine)
-We can kill everyone in 10 minutes(Again lie, you ran out of munitions 3/4 way into the assault)

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Just stop lying and changing the topic. As for military discussion about your deployment or order of events in Beit Hanoun or wherever, no one cares here, create a topic for it.

 

[ResurgentIran]

You lied in regards to three assertions:

-Hamas men rounded up/surrendered(Lie by your army that backtracked and deleted claims/reports from the net)
-We took tons of precautions(lie not supported by visual/factual evidence and Israeli war doctrine)
-We can kill everyone in 10 minutes(Again lie, you ran out of munitions 3/4 way into the assault)

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Just stop lying and changing the topic. As for military discussion about your deployment or order of events in Beit Hanoun or wherever, no one cares here, create a topic for it.

Hows it going man?
I wrote to you on PSN but you never answered lol

 

[Falcon29]

Hows it going man?
I wrote to you on PSN but you never answered lol

Must have missed it, lol. I'm doing well, just not interested in politics anymore, it's a headache.

And was a bit busy with school related stuff. How's it going with you?

Good to see you back here brother. Hopefully everything is well. We should not be wasting our times with this lot but sometimes you have to make a comment when you see this degree of nonsense.

Yeah it kind of is a waste of time, I probably will take another break again. Only will pitch in if major events take place or recent developments like the ones in Jerusalem.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Must have missed it, lol. I'm doing well, just not interested in politics anymore, it's a headache.

And was a bit busy with school related stuff. How's it going with you?

Honestly, I stopped caring long ago about politics. I found it to be waste of life and energy. I only come here ocassionally for entertainment value.
Good for you bro, school is most important thing and making something for yourself. Hope everything goes your way.
Im doing good thanks. Working my a.ss off but otherwise pretty good.
Let me know if you wanna play on PS4 sometime. My friend is buying one for me, as a thanks for getting him a job

 

[Pakistani E]

The fact that the Arabs are descended from Ishmael is a Jewish myth long before Islam and long before the Arabs heard about it.
The myth compares Ishmael's barbarism to the Arabs and then to the Muslims, and Esau to the Christians.
According to the Bible, they are descendants of Shem, but not through Abraham, but through Kedar, Dedan, Ma'ayan, HaCharmut, Shaba.
Ishmael was the son of the Egyptian slave of Abraham, he was not the legal son, and Abraham expelled him to the desert, hence the myth that the Arabs are Ishmaelites

Not truly a myth:

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.


Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.


Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.


http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

@Saif al-Arab Also you are right, this Indian guy is about as Semetic in origin as I am . From the same study:

"Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations."

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Not truly a myth:

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.


Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.


Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.


http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

@Saif al-Arab Also you are right, this Indian guy is about as Semetic in origin as I am . From the same study:

"Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations."

Dear, this is because most Israeli Jews are from the Arab world so this basically confirms what I have been saying all the time. All modern-day Arabs cluster with each other closely, other Middle Eastern people and neighboring Southern European and Caucasian peoples (people from Caucasus). We also cluster with Central Asians and South Asian to a smaller degree. Mostly people from the Arabian Peninsula and Iraq. Our few million big Afro-Arab community clusters with Horners and Swahili people. The Semitic speaking peoples of Ethiopia, Eritrea etc. also cluster (paternally) with people from the Arab Near East because of migrations to Horn of Africa 3000 years ago.

BTW I have a weakness for Habesha women and I always wish the best for Ethiopia and Eritrea because they are nice countries and peoples with a very interesting history. I am always rooting for them to do well.

We basically cluster with all areas of the world due to our geographic position at the center of the world (more or less) connecting Asia, Europe and Africa with each other. However obviously all humans do at some point far back enough.

Honestly, I stopped caring long ago about politics. I found it to be waste of life and energy. I only come here ocassionally for entertainment value.
Good for you bro, school is most important thing and making something for yourself. Hope everything goes your way.
Im doing good thanks. Working my a.ss off but otherwise pretty good.
Let me know if you wanna play on PS4 sometime. My friend is buying one for me, as a thanks for getting him a job

I think that I should retire too. You are right. Maybe I should enter a clinic that will somehow make me not interested in politics. Some kind of rehab center.

 

[ResurgentIran]

I think that I should retire too. You are right. Maybe I should enter a clinic that will somehow make me not interested in politics. Some kind of rehab center.

If you get withdrawal I will treat you
Get a PS4 and play games with me and Hazzie

 

[Pakistani E]

BTW I have a weakness for Habesha women

I could tell. Don't blame you, man.

I've never met Habesha ones here though. None seem to be around where I live. Mostly Palestinians. Are the Habesha just the name for all of those with mixed Afro-Arab ancestry or those mixed with certain groups from Ethiopia and Somalia?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

If you get withdrawal I will treat you
Get a PS4 and play games with me and Hazzie

My youngest brother (the youngest of us all) has a PS4 and he is playing some games but he prefers World of Warcraft and some other games, lol. I was a big gamer when a small child (we got internet access in the late 1990's and played old games such as FIFA 1998, Duke Nukem and other action games that I don't recall, lol. Great memories. This was one of the few good things about having older siblings when younger. Just kidding.