London Daily: Uighur concentration camps in Xinjiang

[moweike]

Stupid western media

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This London Daily report on "Uighur concentration camp" today showing a picture of a barbed compound in Xinjiang, but on the top of the gate it writes Kindergarten in Chinese, how pathetic. They should first learn to read some Chinese before reporting China..

The reason why the fence is barbed is because in recent years some crazy guys launched couples of knife attacks in Kindergartens and elementary schools and since then all Chiense kindergartens and elementary schools are heavily guarded, that's a common practice in China.


https://londondailyreport.com/chinese-concentration-camp/

WTF?? Why are there several rows of razor wire on the fence surrounding a kindergarten?? I thought China was super safe? You don't find that more than a little strange? Is that common in China?

 

[haidian]

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WTF?? Why are there several rows of razor wire on the fence surrounding a kindergarten?? I thought China was super safe? You don't find that more than a little strange? Is that common in China?

Read the OP post, it's not uncommon to see , an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Nothing is excessive when it comes children's safety.

In general China is safe, but China has 1.4 billion people, some psychos did launch several knife attacks in Chinese kindergartens and elementary schools.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Read the OP post, it's not uncommon to see , an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Nothing is excessive when it comes children's safety.

In general China is safe, but China has 1.4 billion people, some psychos did launch several knife attacks in Chinese kindergartens and elementary schools.

This would make a convenient place to hold people.

 

[haidian]

Several reasons for this. This is a Pakistani forum, hence we are debating openly about all issues and trying to learn. Also Islamic societies (like Western societies) have freedom of thought and expression so we don’t feel like we need to hold ourselves back when asking details.

Maybe this is the difference with communism, you can’t speak your mind unless the state approves.

I am sitting in the US, and I am free to criticize the policies of my government. In Pakistan, no one will bother us for disagreeing with our gov, army, or parties.

I can understand if you don’t want to discuss the issues, but then why open threads on this topic?

We can openly question any countries , we are not talking on this forum with the approval of the Chinese government, the government doesn't know who I am, but we know for other countries domestic issues, we are in no position to point fingers and if others do that to us, we just ask them to get lost. but of course if I questioned your country's internal affairs and demand answers, you can tell me to get lost.

This would make a convenient place to hold people.

And keep bad guys out. Children are defenceless.

 

[haidian]

Xinjiang now is nice and peaceful , but don't forget barely a decade ago, bombings and other attacks happened on nearly monthly basis, people in Xinjiang lived in constant fear for their safety. the whole region was in panic. Today's Xinjiang's stability and prosperity was hard won and we'll do everything necessary to keep it that way.

This is what we are happy to see how our kids live Xinjiang

This is what happened a few years back and we swear the tragedy must never happen again
This young Uighur college girl lost one arm and one leg in a market bomb attack in Xinjiang, 39 people were killed, many injured. it's a bloody recent history that we should never forget.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Some trailer park folks are getting desperate

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Several reasons for this. This is a Pakistani forum, hence we are debating openly about all issues and trying to learn. Also Islamic societies (like Western societies) have freedom of thought and expression so we don’t feel like we need to hold ourselves back when asking details.

Maybe this is the difference with communism, you can’t speak your mind unless the state approves.

I am sitting in the US, and I am free to criticize the policies of my government. In Pakistan, no one will bother us for disagreeing with our gov, army, or parties.

I can understand if you don’t want to discuss the issues, but then why open threads on this topic?

Not only that but you can walk up to the fence at the Whitehouse and scream any obscenities you can think of. Although you may have to deal with the competition of others screaming obscenities.

 

[haidian]

Not only that but you can walk up to the fence at the Whitehouse and scream any obscenities you can think of. Although you may have to deal with the competition of others screaming obscenities.

You get thousands shot dead every single year , US is not a good example to follow for public security.

 

[zectech]

Stupid western media

The stupid Western media from the early 20th Century...

https://archive.org/stream/TwoHundr...xMillionJewsAllegationsFrom1900-1945_djvu.txt

1906 - New York Times, March 25th, 1906: " ... the condition and future of Russia's
6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish
Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan ... He left St. Petersburg with the firm
conviction that the Russian Government's studied policy for the "solution" of the Jewish
question is systematic and murderous extermination."

1918 - Fort Wayne News and Sentinel (IN), June 22nd, 1918, page 1: "In the war zone of
Europe there are six million Jews who have been the [World War I's] worst sufferers,"

1921 - New York Times, July 20, 1921, page 2: "BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN
RUSSIA. Russia's 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre."

1942 - Barrier Miner (Australia), December 23rd, 1942: "Mr. Silverman suggested that
Australia and Canada could each absorb 6,000,000 Jews. ... MOST ARE DOOMED ... The
Jewish Congress declares that 2,000,000 Jews have been exterminated so far."

 

[Feng Leng]

If any Chinese person, with knowledge preferably, could shed some light on a few things which are repeated in Western articles about Uyghurs:

1. Are there any restrictions on children fasting in Ramazan?

2. Any restrictions on reading Quran and going to after-school Quran classes for children?

3. Are there any restrictions on beard or hijab in Xinjiang?

4. How many people are in re-education camps? What are the crimes?

5. Is it true that Uyghur who have visited Pakistan and other countries are targeted by authorities?

1. Children can fast at home. At school, I reckon they are encouraged to have lunch. Not shoving food in their mouth of course. The official policy is that religion should be a choice made by adults rather than indoctrinated into children at a young age.

2. No restrictions except on overt religious conduct in public places. Just don't do it in school. Do it at home. This is just like France by the way.

3. Attair and grooming should be consistent with traditional Uighur styles -- or just plain modern style. It should not be inspired by Saudi Wahabbism. No head to toe burkhas please -- that is not traditional Uighur dress.

4. Not clear on numbers. You cannot end up in detention unless you committed a violent act or have ties to extremist groups. Law abiding normal people have nothing to fear.

5. Probably they will pay more attention to you, since most people simply stay at home. If it turns out there is something more sinister than mere travel, then the police can take action.

In other words, pretty standard law enforcement or counter terrorism procedures. In other countries, they rely on the mob to counteract extremism. For example, a religious extremist in the US will get beaten by rednecks or a religious extremist in India will get beaten by Hindus. China does not really do mob justice, so the state gets involved.

Finally, remember this is in the context of an insurgency that killed a few hundred civilians already and the whole Xinjiang is basically under curfew or martial law. But curfew or martial law does not equal massacre or genocide or something like that.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You get thousands shot dead every single year , US is not a good example to follow for public security.

I’m sure you can supply us with the pictures of the “vocational schools” with signs on the buildings since people seem to be snapping pictures of “obviously” wrong buildings.

Plus you guys are the ones with the police snatching people off the streets and having them disappear like Fan Bingbing. If some high profile celebrity can disappear without a trace what’s some nobody Uighur.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

1. Children can fast at home. At school, I reckon they are encouraged to have lunch. Not shoving food in their mouth of course. The official policy is that religion should be a choice made by adults rather than indoctrinated into children at a young age.

2. No restrictions except on overt religious conduct in public places. Just don't do it in school. Do it at home. This is just like France by the way.

3. Attair and grooming should be consistent with traditional Uighur styles -- or just plain modern style. It should not be inspired by Saudi Wahabbism. No head to toe burkhas please -- that is not traditional Uighur dress.

4. Not clear on numbers. You cannot end up in detention unless you committed a violent act or have ties to extremist groups. Law abiding normal people have nothing to fear.

5. Probably they will pay more attention to you, since most people simply stay at home. If it turns out there is something more sinister than mere travel, then the police can take action.

In other words, pretty standard law enforcement or anti-terrorism procedures. In other countries, they rely on the mob to counteract extremism. For example, a religious extremist in the US will get beaten by rednecks or a religious extremist in India will get beaten by Hindus. China does not really do mob justice, so the state gets involved.

Finally, remember this is in the context of an insurgency that killed a few hundred civilians already and the whole Xinjiang is basically under curfew or martial law. But curfew or martial law does not equal massacre or genocide or something like that.

Great answers, thanks. This puts China’s policies in a rational light.

We can openly question any countries , we are not talking on this forum with the approval of the Chinese government, the government doesn't know who I am, but we know for other countries domestic issues, we are in no position to point fingers and if others do that to us, we just ask them to get lost. but of course if I questioned your country's internal affairs and demand answers, you can tell me to get lost.


And keep bad guys out. Children are defenceless.

Ok so this is not China’s policy, but your own policy.

@Feng Leng explained it well and gave me logical answers.

I believe the best way to clear propaganda is to fight it with truth.

We don’t have any major issues with China and whatever issues we have can be ironed out easily, maybe in one small meeting, as China is a very receptive and friendly nation to Pakistan.

 

[haidian]

I’m sure you can supply us with the pictures of the “vocational schools” with signs on the buildings since people seem to be snapping pictures of “obviously” wrong buildings.

Plus you guys are the ones with the police snatching people off the streets and having them disappear like Fan Bingbing. If some high profile celebrity can disappear without a trace what’s some nobody Uighur.

She is a celebrity and has her ways to hide away from the public eyes, she could be involved in tax evasion or personal issues. During my whole life I never heard anyone disappeared so your claim that Chinese government randomly snatchs people off the street is ridiculous, and anyone can easily see by this claim that you are totally brainwashed by your fake media.
As for US, I lived there for some years, you have disappeared people all the time. a very unsafe place. People living in China feel much much safer than your prison country which boasts the highest inmate population in the world.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

She is a celebrity and has her ways to hide away from the public eyes,

They announced it 3 months after she disappeared

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3524674
Having mysteriously disappeared for three months after being accused of evading taxes with "Yin-Yang contracts," China's state-run Securities Daily (證券日報) yesterday (Sept. 6) reported Chinese superstar Fan Bingbing (范冰冰) is "under control, and will accept the legal decision."

In the Securities Daily report, which was taken offline a few hours after it was posted, an influential figure in Beijing told the newspaper that Fan is still in prison and "it's really tragic, and won't be able to get out." The article also stated that the scandal related to her contracts are only the "tip of the iceberg" of her legal problems, which could extend to involvement in bank lending and corruption cases.

In May of this year, CCTV anchor Cui Yongyuan (崔永元) leaked details on a social media post of a set of Yin-yang contracts - double contracts for the same project - Fang had allegedly signed for the Feng Xiaogang film "Cell Phone 2." One of the contracts was worth US$2 million, while the second contract was worth $10 million, reported Asiaone.

Cui alleged that instead of paying US$12 million in total earnings, the first contact would be the only one reported to tax authorities, while she could purportedly pocket earnings from the second contract tax free.

At the time the 36-year-old actress denied any wrongdoing and hired a team of lawyers for her defense. Fan last posted to her Weibo account on June 2 and has not been seen in public since.

ETtoday reports that Fan was initially taken into custody in late June, but was released after two days. However, the report stated that she was again arrested in early August and has been in prison since then, with industry insiders saying this is already the equivalent to "death sentence" in the entertainment business from which she "really cannot come back from."