Liberals & Secularists: Pakistan's "Progressive" Cancer

[bananarepublic]

Yes, in the entire lifetime of Pakistan, the liberals have had so much control that Pakistan became into an Islamic Republic, passed Islamic laws, saw an era full of Islamization, saw an Afghan refugee crisis, and saw the rise of radical Islamism with popular support until APS, and to this day we see a Lal Masjid goon who no one dares to question.
Indeed, this is the Pakistan controlled by liberals; you guys are a bunch of jokers nothing else.

Progressive times in Pakistan, the 60's, saw a progressive Pakistan; and dark times in Pakistan, the 80's, saw a downhill going theocratic Pakistan which Jinnah despised, and Jinnah wanted a secular republic! Take a note from history if you re****s have nothing else

Edit: Had to say this. If you have a problem with liberal and secular ideals, it's a different thing. I respect all thoughts regarding what kind of a socio-political system should be in Pakistan. But to pick out tweets of a few obvious idiots, slap in some poems, slap in some events, and then say liberals are too powerful is sadly hilarious, and garbage. In the entire history of Pakistan, the laws and decisions have been influenced and guided by mullahs except in the 60s under Gen. Ayub and in 2000-2007 under Gen. Musharraf. All of Pakistan's despairs have been because of these people. If you see more people inclining towards secularism and liberalism, it is because of the success of other nations in it, and the failure of Pakistan's state in its history under religious influence of corrupt mullahs.

Blame yourselves, cry, do whatever you want, but this won't stop. Fight ideas with ideas, unfortunately your idea has failed Pakistan so far, and continues fail it today. Lal Masjid is a prime example; any and all major country shutting protests in the last decade ( you know by who ) are an example!

I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago.
Jinnahs Address to Karachi Bar Association (25 January 1948)

Pakistan was never meant to be a secular state, it was to be based upon the principles of Islamic theology. Illiterate mongs love to say whatever that suits their goals both the seculars and fundamentalists have imported a half baked ideology and preach it as what this state should be.

Jinnah clearly laid out the path which Pakistan would take far different from the fundamentalist sauds and iranians. Far different from the Secular and capitalist west. Far different from the communists and socialists.


"The State bank of Pakistan should evolve an economic system compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life.The Western economic theory and practice will not help us in achieving our goal of creating a happy and contended society....."

 

[El Sidd]

If Faiz and Mashal Khan are to be called "liberals" then I have the right to be in this thread.

You do not have sufficient knowledge about Pakistani society to be on this thread.

What you have is stereotypes and lowest denominator of them.

 

[Lincoln]

By ur logic Islam was bound to fail in the presence of long standing empires like Rome & Persia.... themselves hugely favorable to a kind of educated, secular elite which forbade any excessive kindness n goodness propounded by religions ( including Islam) & supported perverted forms of freedom like homosexuality, LGBT rights etc etc just like their modern liberal counterparts today!

Islam was an ideology that came to bring mankind out of the mess it went into!

Trying to look all knowing n cool n bashing Islam n for that matter all religions is stupidity! Islam has at it's core tawheed ONENESS .... this in itself is the ideology of the future, the zenith where everything.... Every consciousness will ultimately reach! Denying it is futile no matter how stylish u make it to look!

Times have changed. I am not advocating LGBT rights. But in this time and century, not separating religion from state will only hurt us.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

will only hurt us.

It will only hurt Bastards of West

 

[Crusher]

All Pakistanis are equal, brother; those who're holding views not healthy for our state are speaking their minds and I don't think we can assume that it's because of malintent necessarily. Pakistan is home for diverse people and they should be engaged. That's how democracies work but I would be weary of hatred; just look at our neighbour.

Very finely elucidated piece. Good job; though I don't agree with a few things but we're brothers under the green and white! Power to you, brother.

There is a saying in punjabi our area "khota tay kora ayk nai honday" means "Donkey and Horse are not equal". A horse is superior to a donkey eventhough they may look similar to each other and may live in the same area.

Similarly when there is chaos in some area there is another punjabi saying in our area which I heard from my elders that "Othay Khota Kora ayk hoya peya ay" mean "In that area the donkey and the horse are being treated the same way". Actually this old punjabi saying perfectly describes the current situation of Pakistan.

 

[Lincoln]

I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago.
Jinnahs Address to Karachi Bar Association (25 January 1948)

Pakistan was never meant to be a secular state, it was to be based upon the principles of Islamic theology. Illiterate mongs love to say whatever that suits their goals both the seculars and fundamentalists have imported a half baked ideology and preach it as what this state should be.

Jinnah clearly laid out the path which Pakistan would take far different from the fundamentalist sauds and iranians. Far different from the Secular and capitalist west. Far different from the communists and socialists.


"The State bank of Pakistan should evolve an economic system compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life.The Western economic theory and practice will not help us in achieving our goal of creating a happy and contended society....."

Great, now if you have read into Jinnah's speeches and interviews, you would know better because there an equally high number of statements that support a secular republic.

Jinnah was a smart man, he always said that politics is a gentleman's game. Whenever, he gave a public speech, to the people, he would say that Pakistan would be built on an Islamic system; but he never stopped here, he further would say a state where EVERY citizen is guaranteed equal rights, and a state that will NOT be a theocracy, because he knew that people would be reluctant and unwilling to accept if he did not introduce the idea of an Islamic system.

In Parliament, among friends, among lawmakers, and institutions, his speechs were different, he openly expressed his desire to make Pakistan a secular republic.

In his address to the constiuent assembly, 11 august, 1947...

You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state.

We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.

Direct quotations.


Dare you to look up my observations and find me a case which isn't true!

It will only hurt Bastards of West

70 years of Mullahism has gotten us where?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

70 years of Mullahism has gotten us where?

Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Imran Khan, Zulfiqar Bhutto, Benazir, Ayub Khan, Musharraf, Yahya, Iskandar Mirza were Mullahs right?

 

[Clutch]

70 years of Mullahism has gotten us where?

No where... To be frank ... You reap what you sow... If you send your most retarded son out of your 12 children to become a molvi what do you expect?

However, one thing these jahil Mullahs do... And don't well... Is keep the harami treasonous pro-indian Neoliberal LibTurds in line... Their willingness to hit the liberal scum on the head with their sticks and swords is awesome!!!!

 

[Lincoln]

Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Imran Khan, Zulfiqar Bhutto, Benazir, Ayub Khan, Musharraf, Yahya, Iskandar Mirza were Mullahs right?

Seems like you never read history.
PPP never repealed the radical laws introduced by Zia due to religious pressure.
Neither did PMLN, in fact PMLN was a result of that dictator.
PTI is refusing to challenge the religious extremists who are questioning the state of Pakistan.

Religious scholars held an influence on all governments except that of Ayub Khan, and Musharraf... and guess what? These times were the most progressive for Pakistan.

 

[jaibi]

If you really believe that then you need some professional help. I'm punjabi too btw and the same mentality is at the heart of a lot of the problems in our country. I'd like for you to come back and stay with your people and not be in Europe because clearly they must be elsewhere in the hierarchy. Why don't you practice what you preach?

And both a donkey and a horse are to be treated equal. You'd be surprised that donkeys have been instrumental to your nation's defense and serve under the flag of your country. I'd honestly think they deserve more respect than you for that, so taking your logic into account, the donkey is above you in that hierarchy. If you mind me applying that to your case then know this, you too are a citizen of this nation and when you speak of discrimination then have some taste of it. Feel free to report me if you think I've crossed a line but I have dealt with your ilk quite often.

There is a saying in punjabi our area "khota tay kora ayk nai honday" means "Donkey and Horse are not equal". A horse is superior to a donkey eventhough they may look similar to each other and may live in the same area.

Similarly when there is chaos in some area there is another punjabi saying in our area which I heard from my elders that "Othay Khota Kora ayk hoya peya ay" mean "In that area the donkey and the horse are being treated the same way". Actually this old punjabi saying perfectly describes the current situation of Pakistan.

 

[Lincoln]

No where... To be frank ... You reap what you sow... If you send your most retarded son out of your 12 children to become a molvi what do you expect?

However, one thing these jahil Mullahs do... And don't well... Is keep the harami treasonous pro-indian Neoliberal LibTurds in line... Their willingness to hit the liberal scum on the head with their sticks and swords is awesome!!!!

Yes, yes, I am sure you like that at the expense of Pakistan state being made a joke out of. Nuclear state, strong Army, but can't control some fatty in a red mosque.

 

[Clutch]

Yes, yes, I am sure you like that at the expense of Pakistan state being made a joke out of. Nuclear state, strong Army, but can't control some fatty in a red mosque.

It's called controlled opposition... If I am against a Neoliberal scum who is selling Pakistan to the highest bidder (i.e. Husain Haqqani and Tarek Fatah types)... We just need to unleash the crazy Mullahs after them.... Go bite the Neo-Liberals mad dogs... Go for the kill...

 

[jamahir]

You do not have sufficient knowledge about Pakistani society to be on this thread.

Dear Sidd, the CIA has more knowledge of Pakistan than many Pakistanis.

What you have is stereotypes

And what are they ??

and lowest denominator of them.

Who are they ??

 

[El Sidd]

Dear Sidd, the CIA has more knowledge of Pakistan than many Pakistanis.

Do you work for the CIA?

And what are they ??

Fringe lunacy.

Who are they ??

You

 

[jamahir]

You work for CIA?

Do you work for the CIA?

I am not claiming full knowledge of Pakistan but I can understand the big picture and also some of the micro factors.

Fringe lunacy.

The "Fringe" in Pakistan is as much a worrying trend as it is in India.

For example, mention Malala on the internet and see how much hate she gets from supposedly educated types.

How much of a "Fringe" is the Lal Masjid ??